Templar Discussion Thread

[Hitoshura]

Very surprised I haven't seen one yet, fellow Templar's report. How are you loving the class so far? What level are you? Any recommended builds for Stigma's and Manastones? Personally I usually mix my manastones and stats up fairly well. A combination of Physical Crit, HP, Shield Defense.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Just hit 27 earlier this evening and upgraded to Sura's armor set. Up until now I had tried the mixed sets of HP/Block, etc. This time around I chose to spend a little extra to get the Sura pieces at the Broker that had HP/Block on 'em where I could get it and decked out every manastone slot with Crit+8 stones. After about 30mins of playing with this rig I am killing a bit faster. Difficult to tell if it's due to changing targets for more challenge or what but I am killing Kentari at 27 about as fast as I was killing Sparkies at 26 so I think it's a noticeable difference (Crit rating went from 74 to something like 188? don't quote me on that). I have not even stepped foot in the Abyss although I have access. Perhaps I should try that tomorrow.

Overall I like the class. The Stigma stones add some nice options for solo/party play being allowed to mix them as you wish. Right now I had Holy Shield and Divine Fury on for solo play but I have IJ in the Warehouse if I ever go full party tank. The game design is alright. Not a whole lot of options outside of abilities. Past that, there seems to be a decent emphasis on skill, albeit that's really just how well you can cycle your CDs anyway. Looking forward to the enmity testing as well.

Game seems flat all around imo, but has a lot of the kinks I found in XI ironed out pretty well. Unsure how long I'll stick with it personally. I'd like to try a mage class eventually, maybe even a scout character. So far it's not exactly challenging but meh, it wastes time while I look for a job/wait for callbacks and do schoolwork. Fun times I guess. PIcking up some peripherals to help play the job more effectively as well (G13/Razer Naga).

[Arcana]

I'm enjoying templar, rolling a HP/Crit build currently, not hit abyss yet as im still attempting to get full blues before going in, i notice a decent kill speed as critlar with a sword and board, some say that using a great sword is much better, though i dont see it.

[Lebzile]

28 Templar(still) and I say at 30, the stigma set I'll be rolling with is Divine Slash, Inescapable Judgemnt(duh) and cycling between Divine Fury and Provoking Roar depending on situation. Whether it is Solo PVE/P or Group PVE.

At 50 though, I'll be going with this (http://www.aionarmory.com/stigmaCalc.aspx?id=6#414:513:523:410:287:411:540:5 49) personally. Still interchanging the same two skills though.

[Drex]

Did my first training grounds run today and it went well, but they seemed disappointed I didn't know how to brand, and the sorc ended up doing it. It does seem like something the tank should be doing, so I'd like to know if any of you other temps have tips. What macros/key combos do you use for branding? What brands do you use? How can I quickly tab around between targets without targeting my damn party all the time?

As for OP's questions:

26.5 temp here. I use crit manastones on my GS, block manastones on my sword and shield, and HP+attack manastones on my armor itself, with +HP and +crit on my accessories. I use g.s. most of the time for solo play, and sword+shield for group stuff. To be honest I haven't given sword+shield I fair chance for DDing because I haven't invested in a good sword yet - I just haven't seen any that stand out around my level without being 3mil.

For stigmas I use IJ and Divine Fury. I wish I had swapped to roar for the T.G. run but didn't have my shards on me and didn't know where a stigma npc in the area was. Still new to the abyss :( Been grinding the easy golems for my XP, think it's supposed to last until 28 or so.

I definitely think DD templar is the way to go for the time being. I was tanking yellow-orange elites in T.G. with the only +block coming from my sword+shield and had no issues at all with hate or damage taken, even on the boss. As for crit vs attack, I haven't really done a lot of testing on which is better, I just know that crit manastones sell fast for a lot more than other manastones, so I unload those on the broker for cash and use +attack on my armor personally. YMMV.

Another question - what's so great about holy shield? My understanding was it doesn't reduce the incoming damage at all, just makes the mob take damage when you block. With how short the duration is, that seems extremely meh to me, even if I full-timed sword+shield. Am I missing something?

[Fallyn]

Did my first training grounds run today and it went well, but they seemed disappointed I didn't know how to brand, and the sorc ended up doing it. It does seem like something the tank should be doing, so I'd like to know if any of you other temps have tips. What macros/key combos do you use for branding? What brands do you use? How can I quickly tab around between targets without targeting my damn party all the time?

As for OP's questions:

26.5 temp here. I use crit manastones on my GS, block manastones on my sword and shield, and HP+attack manastones on my armor itself, with +HP and +crit on my accessories. I use g.s. most of the time for solo play, and sword+shield for group stuff. To be honest I haven't given sword+shield I fair chance for DDing because I haven't invested in a good sword yet - I just haven't seen any that stand out around my level without being 3mil.

For stigmas I use IJ and Divine Fury. I wish I had swapped to roar for the T.G. run but didn't have my shards on me and didn't know where a stigma npc in the area was. Still new to the abyss :( Been grinding the easy golems for my XP, think it's supposed to last until 28 or so.

I definitely think DD templar is the way to go for the time being. I was tanking yellow-orange elites in T.G. with the only +block coming from my sword+shield and had no issues at all with hate or damage taken, even on the boss. As for crit vs attack, I haven't really done a lot of testing on which is better, I just know that crit manastones sell fast for a lot more than other manastones, so I unload those on the broker for cash and use +attack on my armor personally. YMMV.

Another question - what's so great about holy shield? My understanding was it doesn't reduce the incoming damage at all, just makes the mob take damage when you block. With how short the duration is, that seems extremely meh to me, even if I full-timed sword+shield. Am I missing something?

1. Get Yadamonerk's Sword from "[group] eliminating a suspect", its a pretty decent damage rating, has crit+ already on it, is a green so has 3 manastone slots and is free. the mob is also a joke, just get a cleric/chanter and a DD or 2 and pull him from behind.

2. Branding is really easy, i wasnt comfortable with using it at first, but after doing a few krall runs i can now lead them easy as hell. Same with NTC, i didnt brand the first run i did, but once i watched one run and its pull pattern, i had no problem branding. Personally, i just stick the "1" and "ZZZ" brand somewhere on my hotbar for the duration of the group, and just click mobs with them when needs be. Also, using tab to cycle through mobs i find is pretty reliable and will usually target the mobs only (i dont know if this is actually the case) when engaged with them, just be careful to look at what target you are on if you are tabbing back n forth using hate abilities. The other thing about branding is that because of the brands showing up next to the mob names up the top with ther HP, as long as you take a split second to realise which brands are there, you should have no problem with targeting the wrong mobs.

3. Do NTC every single time you can. It's atleast half a level full of exp at 25~27 and for like an hour or 2's work, is alot better than you can grind. Also possible drops, branding experience, etc.

4. Holy Shield i was told os pretty good, but after using it a fair bit i kinda agree that it's a bit meh. Along with the fact that as its a stigma it doesnt level up and you carry on doing just 46dmg to the mob every time it hits you for 10 seconds, i personally scrapped it last night when i got provoking roar drop. Roar+IJ combo is pretty faultless for the time being imo.

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I have a question myself; i haven't actually tried gsword when soloing alot, because i find the equip swapping a bit... well i swap weapons and then it takes a slight second or 2 to actually swap, and by that time the move i had to stun has already been and gone. i also like to just use all my stuns and stuff when they pop up, instead of like going to S+S and hoping i block, then fire the shield skills, then back to gsword. It might be my lack of agility to press the buttons fast enough, but i personally havent bothered with the gsword myself.

[Hitoshura]

I actually took Holy Shield II out just now for Incite Rage II instead, don't get me wrong I love it but it is just outweighed when I can get more hate tools instead.

[Lebzile]

For those who know of it; what weapon are you getting at 40 from the Xenophon Quest line?

I'll probably go mace because it is extendable since the sword isn't. <3

[Purrrfect]

28 Templar(still) and I say at 30, the stigma set I'll be rolling with is Divine Slash, Inescapable Judgemnt(duh) and cycling between Divine Fury and Provoking Roar depending on situation. Whether it is Solo PVE/P or Group PVE.

At 50 though, I'll be going with this (http://www.aionarmory.com/stigmaCalc.aspx?id=6#414:513:523:410:287:411:540:5 49) personally. Still interchanging the same two skills though.

Sirry Leb, if you wanted to use a gsword you shoulda been a gladiator. :hamster:

For the branding, I have branding shortcuts on the hotbar on the side of the screen so I can target and then click those to brand. The only ones I've used up to 31 were Zzz, 1, and 2. There are also shortcuts you can put on the hotbar to auto target whatever has brand 1 or whatever.

[Lebzile]

GSword is for solo only and it makes killspeed so much faster. I'll take my back-to-back 1900 crits np :P

[Koul]

Yeah, with Divine slash gsword soloing is pretty awesome. With switching weapons though I get a delay as well. I try and bust everything out and then anticipate the mob using a special so I switch to s/b and stun it then get back to Gsword.

My rotation is usually opening with IJ > Divine slash > shining slash > weak strik~combo > then our 3 combo move. forgot name. then I change to s/b and stun if I need to. switch back to Gsword and repeat combos

I was leveling with a friend who quit hurrddd... stuck at 29 and don't know where to go to level. Got mabye 6 quests for Eracus temple but they're all group. hopefully will have better luck tomorrow. Kinda feeling burnt out since quests are becoming dry but... we'll see. Needa explore some more. Trying to con my friend to play with me again but he doesn't like the grindyness of the game =/

overall I'm liking the class.

oh and I use full crit stones except for shield block ones in my junky shield.

[Weltall]

I use full crit stones @ 33.9

Loving the class so far. I love when 2-3 people try to gank me and cannot, lol.

[LurkaKitty]

Did my first training grounds run today and it went well, but they seemed disappointed I didn't know how to brand, and the sorc ended up doing it. It does seem like something the tank should be doing, so I'd like to know if any of you other temps have tips. What macros/key combos do you use for branding? What brands do you use? How can I quickly tab around between targets without targeting my damn party all the time?

As for OP's questions:

26.5 temp here. I use crit manastones on my GS, block manastones on my sword and shield, and HP+attack manastones on my armor itself, with +HP and +crit on my accessories. I use g.s. most of the time for solo play, and sword+shield for group stuff. To be honest I haven't given sword+shield I fair chance for DDing because I haven't invested in a good sword yet - I just haven't seen any that stand out around my level without being 3mil.

For stigmas I use IJ and Divine Fury. I wish I had swapped to roar for the T.G. run but didn't have my shards on me and didn't know where a stigma npc in the area was. Still new to the abyss :( Been grinding the easy golems for my XP, think it's supposed to last until 28 or so.

I definitely think DD templar is the way to go for the time being. I was tanking yellow-orange elites in T.G. with the only +block coming from my sword+shield and had no issues at all with hate or damage taken, even on the boss. As for crit vs attack, I haven't really done a lot of testing on which is better, I just know that crit manastones sell fast for a lot more than other manastones, so I unload those on the broker for cash and use +attack on my armor personally. YMMV.

Another question - what's so great about holy shield? My understanding was it doesn't reduce the incoming damage at all, just makes the mob take damage when you block. With how short the duration is, that seems extremely meh to me, even if I full-timed sword+shield. Am I missing something?

Not a temp, but there is no Sorc discussion thread. I branded for almost all my NTG runs as Sorc. I have NumPad 1 2 3 and 4 for make brands and alt-NumPad 1 2 3 and 4 for select respective branded target.
As a sorc I use..
NumPad 1 = 1
NumPad 2 = Zzz
NumPad 3 = 2
NumPad 4 = ⇓

1 for the target I want the group to go after first. Zzz for the mob I am Sleeping (since I can sleep it again before it wakes up, I can usually keep this mob asleep forever.) The 2 mob (if we pulled three mobs) is what I`d prefer the grup go after secondly, since I CC it with tree and root, though usually after the first mob the targeter/tank goes after whatever he feels like. The ⇓ mob I usually use as a warning like "Hey look out for this mob that wanders around omgdontgooverthereyoulinkedit!"

Hope I helped maybe

[aers]

I use full crit stones, I think I'd die of boredom without the large crit numbers to entertain me when grinding, lol.

@Leb: I took the sword because I didn't realize the mace was extendable. TBH since I don't like switching to GS that often it's probably the better choice for me.

0/alot on plate gear dropping from rare mobs in Heiron :<

[Gryffes]

Q: With a gold 25 or 30 shield that you get to +10 enhancement ( 65% damage reduction ) is there any blue shield at any point that becomes superior?

[Saxon]

Well since I'm bored, and there is EU maint atm, Imma post my gear and ask for some advice.

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I only started using Crit stones at Lv23, and I don't like how I block less with my shield when soloing Rednamed mobs. But for PvP, not really done any yet, just random duels in towns, I should use more crit or hp? I never saw the point in HP because I could just use Shield instead and lower my dmg taken. Oh and I always have pots because I hate losing and will do anything to win even if it is a waste of money D:!

[RKenshin]

I'm at 34 now, likely will be 35 within the day.

I'm full crit manastones riding at about 31% crit, and the damage/kill speed is extremely noticeable. Occasionally I find a good player to duo with (preferably a cleric/chanter) and the speed at which we can grind is really insane. When solo, mobs my level usually die before or during my second round of of chains (so about 12-18s?).

One word of advice that I don't think many people know though, using an ability in this game resets your swing timer. Especially when using a 1h weapon, you really want to time your abilities to happen at the exact time you swing to minimize the amount of your swing timer you cut off. It feels wierd/slow at first, but I've found it to be better damage output over time.

I have the inescapable judgment, provoking roar II, and incite rage glyphs. Provoking roar is really weak enmity from my experiences thus far, but I guess it's good for an initial pick up on any link/agro. I had divine slash and a few GS swap macros, but didn't find it worth it. Kill speed was more or less the same because of all the weapon delay resets, extra damage taken, and loss of more frequent shield abilities. So I've just stuck with sword+shield. I'd always forget to use divine fury so I just scrapped it, and holy shield is pretty crap.

I'm still using the level 28 worthy noble durable set right now though. I made 3 pieces of the worthy noble 33 set, but think I'm opting to sell them to finish up 400 armorsmithing and possibly just skip to making expert level 33 or 38 worthy durable adamantium... but we'll see. I'm probably just being too OCD.

[Lebzile]

Welcome to a real man's class Ruke, thanks for the input. I like GSword just for the fact that you can almost get the same amount of survivability through the use of constant parries. Not to mention have a SS/Rupture-like combo on Templar is always nice. Using Shining Slash then Divine Slash is always putting a smile on my face to see double 1600s or 1800s. But for PVP, S&B so much better then gsword, can't live without those shield stuns.

[Arcana]

Well since I'm bored, and there is EU maint atm, Imma post my gear and ask for some advice.

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I only started using Crit stones at Lv23, and I don't like how I block less with my shield when soloing Rednamed mobs. But for PvP, not really done any yet, just random duels in towns, I should use more crit or hp? I never saw the point in HP because I could just use Shield instead and lower my dmg taken. Oh and I always have pots because I hate losing and will do anything to win even if it is a waste of money D:!

This is the gear i've been using since 23/24: Templar (http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?serverID=46&charID=98473)

You'll notice alot of my gear has bonus HP on it, i deliberatly went this way to avoid having to put too much HP sockets into my gear, put 5 on anyway, if your going to do the same get the highest possible level stones your going with to put into it, less HP you stone the more there is for crit.

I've had no problems with threat really, i wouldnt say that having a block rating of just over 1000 hurts my tanking ability either, i think the crits are begining to far outweigh the blocking at the moment, and if i reeeeeally need to block, i have my stances.

Provoking shout, i find this ability too useful to give up, having it on a rotation of provokes is so useful, and i can only see it getting better, but then again i've not been into NTC with a gladiator yet so i've had no accidental CC breaks, but again, even on CC'd targets i use my provokes so it wouldnt necessarily be a problem.

[Hitoshura]

I'm at 34 now, likely will be 35 within the day.

I'm full crit manastones riding at about 31% crit, and the damage/kill speed is extremely noticeable. Occasionally I find a good player to duo with (preferably a cleric/chanter) and the speed at which we can grind is really insane. When solo, mobs my level usually die before or during my second round of of chains (so about 12-18s?).

One word of advice that I don't think many people know though, using an ability in this game resets your swing timer. Especially when using a 1h weapon, you really want to time your abilities to happen at the exact time you swing to minimize the amount of your swing timer you cut off. It feels wierd/slow at first, but I've found it to be better damage output over time.

I have the inescapable judgment, provoking roar II, and incite rage glyphs. Provoking roar is really weak enmity from my experiences thus far, but I guess it's good for an initial pick up on any link/agro. I had divine slash and a few GS swap macros, but didn't find it worth it. Kill speed was more or less the same because of all the weapon delay resets, extra damage taken, and loss of more frequent shield abilities. So I've just stuck with sword+shield. I'd always forget to use divine fury so I just scrapped it, and holy shield is pretty crap.

I'm still using the level 28 worthy noble durable set right now though. I made 3 pieces of the worthy noble 33 set, but think I'm opting to sell them to finish up 400 armorsmithing and possibly just skip to making expert level 33 or 38 worthy durable adamantium... but we'll see. I'm probably just being too OCD.

I use to do the same thing, I would time my chain attacks so that he would hit in between. But with Ferocious Strike's timer/Rage's being a lot shorter I find myself just spamming all kinds of chains, especially combinations of the severe blows. I only time my hits normally if I am using a mace though because the mace hits multiple damage consistently.

Agree on Holy Shield, I dropped that for Incite Rage, I found myself needing a lot more hate tools for group shit.

[aers]

I'm still using the level 28 worthy noble durable set right now though. I made 3 pieces of the worthy noble 33 set, but think I'm opting to sell them to finish up 400 armorsmithing and possibly just skip to making expert level 33 or 38 worthy durable adamantium... but we'll see. I'm probably just being too OCD.

Just an FYI, the 400 armorsmithing quest is going to be extremely painful since the fluxes you need for it are rather expensive and you aren't high enough level to farm them.

Unless you've got high level friends to help!

I've been too lazy to level recently, halfway through 45 now.. I did manage to hit 11K hp the other day though (food, emp, chanter buff, artifact buff). Heh.

[Gwynplaine]

At 35 now and I've been trying out IJ, Provoking Roar 2, and Break Power stigma. It's great after Face Smash and since I duo all the time the chance of a stumble occurring is higher. The combo of a shield skill > Face Smash > Break Power becomes a second three skill chain which also increases your attack like Divine Fury could anyways.

Also is Unwavering Devotion stigma priced for millions on other servers as well? Sounds great but too much for me.

[Ratatapa]

Started templar today (lv10) for an alt and i'm just wondering

I should use Physical crit + HP manastone?

[Maguspk]

Started templar today (lv10) for an alt and i'm just wondering

I should use Physical crit + HP manastone?
Just use PHC.

Unwavering Devotion is about 3 mil on my server, fucking ridiculous.

[aers]

Unwavering will probably always be over 1mil, but it's pretty absurd on some servers right now. Just wait.

It is amazing, though. Friend found one for me :3

[Velgadess]

...........
As for OP's questions:

26.5 temp here. I use crit manastones on my GS, block manastones on my sword and shield, and HP+attack manastones on my armor itself,..........

I wondered about attack manastones. I was under impression you wont get attack bonuses from them if you socketed them to any other piece but your weapon. Is that not the case? does the game not care if you socket it to armor body piece or feet?

[Lebzile]

I wondered about attack manastones. I was under impression you wont get attack bonuses from them if you socketed them to any other piece but your weapon. Is that not the case? does the game not care if you socket it to armor body piece or feet?
Correct. It doesn't matter where you socket what.

[Elites]

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My experience with Templar since release has been suprisingly good and bad depending on every 10 levels. After 40, the class starts to get hardcore with Iron skin and Shield retribution at 42 which I had my highest crit at 1856. It also increases the chances of proc'ing Face smash->Break Power 2, the only problem I have with the blocks is consistently rotating them before the timer wears so for those using a macro for your shield blocks..you pretty much have to start getting accustomed to binding each block now for consistency. Our 4k DP move at 40 is nice but the 1 hour cooldown is a letdown so it's only useful for the ohshit moments or large scale raids.

Bodyguard stigma is helpful but the lack of animation on the skill doesen't help notify the healer that it's active, I can't fit the stigma and see a real purpose for it at the moment since people just don't stand near me when I use it. So I'm sticking with Judgement, Provoking Roar III, Break Power II (a must), and Siegebreaker until I get more slots.

My gear is definitely above average minus the accessories at the moment but horrible stories..Xenophon's is the way to go at 41 so get the quest done as soon as you ding. I +1 enchanted it sucessfully after the 6th try but I've heard of a few friends blowing 6 million and still failing, Noble Laupede Shield and +1 on that after the 10th try, +1 on the guardian plate boots, and the worst part of it all..socketing 6 fucking stones on my Gold gauntlets last night even though I had to put all whites in, I consider that a fucking miracle..+1 to the gauntlets took another 3 tries. I chose this gauntlet over the level 40 abyss blues primarily for the sockets and more damage reduction from a player and the fact that it's a gold and +6% attack speed which is very noticeable and will be once parsers are available to this game. Warning though, socketing this fucker is a serious nightmare if you plan on blowing greens..

Loss of 5.4 mil kinah in a day but Crit is at 358 now which is pro for a templar and still consider it vital until soft cap around 400+ where we can start socketing in more attack. HP+ shouldn't be necessary with empyrean active + Iron skin for ohshit moments if clerics lag on healing me in time. Sitting on 6.5k hp at 43.

[aers]

You lost 5.4 million kinah socketing up to 358 crit?

..crit stones are THAT expensive on your server?

Since we're linking characters http://na.aiononline.com/characters/Siel/Aeris

46 this morning but I have class today!

[Ramor]

Hit 30 earlier, all crit stones (cheapies) and I love the class. I just wish that sorcs didn't absolutely buttrape me at this level if my IJ doesn't connect properly.

Wishing it would go a little faster, getting kind of bored of grinding the same mobs every day with no real quests left that I can complete. But luckily I think I can do FT now, which gives me another big something to work on :D TG was really fun, I'm hoping FT is just as good.

[Hitoshura]

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My experience with Templar since release has been suprisingly good and bad depending on every 10 levels. After 40, the class starts to get hardcore with Iron skin and Shield retribution at 42 which I had my highest crit at 1856. It also increases the chances of proc'ing Face smash->Break Power 2, the only problem I have with the blocks is consistently rotating them before the timer wears so for those using a macro for your shield blocks..you pretty much have to start getting accustomed to binding each block now for consistency. Our 4k DP move at 40 is nice but the 1 hour cooldown is a letdown so it's only useful for the ohshit moments or large scale raids.

Bodyguard stigma is helpful but the lack of animation on the skill doesen't help notify the healer that it's active, I can't fit the stigma and see a real purpose for it at the moment since people just don't stand near me when I use it. So I'm sticking with Judgement, Provoking Roar III, Break Power II (a must), and Siegebreaker until I get more slots.

My gear is definitely above average minus the accessories at the moment but horrible stories..Xenophon's is the way to go at 41 so get the quest done as soon as you ding. I +1 enchanted it sucessfully after the 6th try but I've heard of a few friends blowing 6 million and still failing, Noble Laupede Shield and +1 on that after the 10th try, +1 on the guardian plate boots, and the worst part of it all..socketing 6 fucking stones on my Gold gauntlets last night even though I had to put all whites in, I consider that a fucking miracle..+1 to the gauntlets took another 3 tries. I chose this gauntlet over the level 40 abyss blues primarily for the sockets and more damage reduction from a player and the fact that it's a gold and +6% attack speed which is very noticeable and will be once parsers are available to this game. Warning though, socketing this fucker is a serious nightmare if you plan on blowing greens..

Loss of 5.4 mil kinah in a day but Crit is at 358 now which is pro for a templar and still consider it vital until soft cap around 400+ where we can start socketing in more attack. HP+ shouldn't be necessary with empyrean active + Iron skin for ohshit moments if clerics lag on healing me in time. Sitting on 6.5k hp at 43.

I ended up using a bunch of +12 since they were relatively cheap and I have abotu 348 Crit total with my sword but I almost always use my mace over it bringing me back down to 278, thank goodness for great phys crit scrolls.

[aers]

Hit 30 earlier, all crit stones (cheapies) and I love the class. I just wish that sorcs didn't absolutely buttrape me at this level if my IJ doesn't connect properly.

You have to break Stoneskin or you can't hit them with IJ.

[Lebzile]

You have to break Stoneskin or you can't hit them with IJ.
Which is retarded and the pull should still go through the Stoneskin. Why the hell is it called Inescapable Judgment if they -can- escape it? Lol

[Elites]

Yeah I tried socketing +12's at first, and blew about 2 mil just off that. I can go past 4 slots, 5th and 6th slot fuck you in the ass pretty hard regardless. The +10's are relatively cheap on my server but it still took about 43 of them to get all 6 in. Not really happy having +10's on a gold but when I get richer I'll look into that.

[Ramor]

You have to break Stoneskin or you can't hit them with IJ.

ahh, shit they don't tell you in tempbrah school.

then at this point i stand absolutely no chance against any sorc my level without a large reservoir of potions at my disposal

please someone tell me it gets easier qqq

on the bright side though, since divine slash I leveling has become so stupid amounts of easy peasy i don't mind grinding as much, i just hate not having everything be so easy is all.

[aers]

You get Iron Skin at 40 which lets you drop debuffs and Prayer of Freedom at 46 which drops all movement debuffs. That + charge should let you close and hopefully break stoneskin to enable IJ. You also can go the damage advanced stigma route and pick up 2 ranged attacks to help break stoneskin, but then you miss out on some other stuff.

[Ramor]

Speaking of advanced stigma, what's probably the best route(s) for PvP? I haven't really looked into it too much, but from what I can tell there's some nice party buffs and a self heal in there depending how you go about it?

[Lebzile]

None of them are really worth getting, you're better off mixing up the lower ranked ones instead of going for one of the Advanced Stigmas. Neither Shield of Fate or Empyrean Fury are even worth getting with what you would have to slot to get them.

I'm sure I posted my stigma build I'd use at 50 a few posts up.

[niwaar]

I ended up using a bunch of +12 since they were relatively cheap and I have about 348 Crit total with my sword but I almost always use my mace over it bringing me back down to 278, thank goodness for great phys crit scrolls.

This begs my biggest question. I am 40 and while my gear isn't phenomenal, I think I am doing "ok" for now. I tend to stick with what I can easily make myself with little out of pocket cost (I tend to be extremely poor in most games I play) or via quest reward or monster/boss drops. So you speaking of using a mace interests me.

What are the advantages you see in using a mace? I see the Xenophon's is extendable while the sword is not. I have seen quite a few people talking about using a mace as a templar and just have not seen anyone speak to as why it is really good besides the "it has magic accuracy so our IJ sticks more". Which does not seem like a good enough reason to use it over a sword.

[Hitoshura]

This begs my biggest question. I am 40 and while my gear isn't phenomenal, I think I am doing "ok" for now. I tend to stick with what I can easily make myself with little out of pocket cost (I tend to be extremely poor in most games I play) or via quest reward or monster/boss drops. So you speaking of using a mace interests me.

What are the advantages you see in using a mace? I see the Xenophon's is extendable while the sword is not. I have seen quite a few people talking about using a mace as a templar and just have not seen anyone speak to as why it is really good besides the "it has magic accuracy so our IJ sticks more". Which does not seem like a good enough reason to use it over a sword.

The reason I am favoring a mace right now is because the one I have in particular has attack speed on it, I stacked the hell out of crit and use Greater Crit Scrolls and have around 338 Crit with a mace. I am thinking about taking out the Block+25's I put in the shield, but reluctant because of how rarely I see them cheap on ebay.

[Lebzile]

Okay, I'd like to clear up the "magic accuracy is for IJ" shit, it doesn't work because IJ is still considered a physical spell. At least as far as I know it is still considered a physical spell, only way to honestly test this is to use it on a magic immune person and see what it does. Assuming you can even be magic immune for a period in this game.

But, I'm sticking with it being a Physical spell over magical.

[Pooky]

Okay, I'd like to clear up the "magic accuracy is for IJ" shit, it doesn't work because IJ is still considered a physical spell. At least as far as I know it is still considered a physical spell, only way to honestly test this is to use it on a magic immune person and see what it does. Assuming you can even be magic immune for a period in this game.

But, I'm sticking with it being a Physical spell over magical.

You can dodge it with Contract of Resistance (SM skill that dodges magic only). But if you're choosing gear for Magic Acc over more useful stats, reroll. >.>


That being said, is there a reason why no one seems to use Bodyguard?

[Hitoshura]

You can dodge it with Contract of Resistance (SM skill that dodges magic only). But if you're choosing gear for Magic Acc over more useful stats, reroll. >.>


That being said, is there a reason why no one seems to use Bodyguard?

If you can manage hate good enough it isn't necessary, you could be making more use of your stigma slot by adding another Provoke to just keep on adding to the hate, the cool down is honestly perfect for me.

When my other stigma opens up I hope to god I have Iron Skin by then somehow.

[aers]

Er..

Iron Skin is an ability, you get it at 40, which is the same level you get your 4th Stigma slot.

[Hitoshura]

Er..

Iron Skin is an ability, you get it at 40, which is the same level you get your 4th Stigma slot.

Woops, for some reason I thought it was a Stigma, it's a pretty useful skill.

[Pooky]

If you can manage hate good enough it isn't necessary, you could be making more use of your stigma slot by adding another Provoke to just keep on adding to the hate, the cool down is honestly perfect for me.

When my other stigma opens up I hope to god I have Iron Skin by then somehow.

If you can manage hate well enough, why would you need another provoke?

[Purrrfect]

You can dodge it with Contract of Resistance (SM skill that dodges magic only). But if you're choosing gear for Magic Acc over more useful stats, reroll. >.>


That being said, is there a reason why no one seems to use Bodyguard?

Doesn't it also apply the original target's defense to the damage dealt to the templar, rather than the templar's? And I think you have to be close enough and doesn't work when casters run around or something. Could be wrong, I haven't made it that far yet.

[Pooky]

Doesn't it also apply the original target's defense to the damage dealt to the templar, rather than the templar's? And I think you have to be close enough and doesn't work when casters run around or something. Could be wrong, I haven't made it that far yet.

It works exactly like Cover from FFXI, all damage the target would be taking is transferred to the Templar; so it does use the targets defense in a way. That's not really an issue as 40+ Templars can get easily over 10k hp, the average caster hovers at ~3.5-5k (also more than likely the tank is getting healed >.> )

Range is 10m, but how often are you as a Templar more than 10m from your other groupmembers?

[Hitoshura]

If you can manage hate well enough, why would you need another provoke?

Helps manage the hate even better so you don't have mobs running around back at the person who happens to have hate other than you, so you don't have to use bodyguard in the first place. You're the one who asked, I am just answering my personal preference.

[niwaar]

It works exactly like Cover from FFXI, all damage the target would be taking is transferred to the Templar; so it does use the targets defense in a way. That's not really an issue as 40+ Templars can get easily over 10k hp, the average caster hovers at ~3.5-5k (also more than likely the tank is getting healed >.> )

Range is 10m, but how often are you as a Templar more than 10m from your other groupmembers?

You are correct, it is merely a transfer of damage from them to you. So it does use their defensive stats, resists, etc. However I do see group members farther than 10m away. Especially the ONLY person I would use Bodyguard on, my cleric. That being said, if they are getting hit, you better be standing next to them trying to get that monster off of them. There are some situations where this would be useful, however because a cleric can easily tank most any monster for a short time, this ability tends to be of far less use than Cover was in XI.

Most Templars will choose to take Break Power at the level you get access to Bodyguard, if only for the ability to solo more efficiently. Before level 40, having access to both Provoking Roar and Incite Rage offer more control in a number of situations with multi-pulls tends to create enmity issues. Sure you can take some damage from someone (normally one that can take the hit for a short time anyway) but with more threat, you can eliminate the need to do so entirely.

Managing hate well on a single mob is easy. Where you would normally need to use an ability like Bodyguard would be on that second, third, or fourth mob in a hectic pull scenario (see Lepharist Labs in Morheim for an example.) Depending on how fast you kill, that second mob should be an easy threat target. However, that third and fourth target will have such a high level of enmity on your CC and your Healer that while Bodyguard will help for a short time, having that extra spike enmity ability will make more of a difference in their survival than Bodyguard would.

[Hitoshura]

So it's come down to this again, I have to choose whether to sell a piece of gear I might actually want to use. Dropped off Queen Kint, it sells for 300k at ebay. I was going to slap it on but I am 2 levels too low, just reluctant now on whether to sell now and buy gear at 38, camp for more of them later. Gah decisions, decisions.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2s1nhhk.jpg

[niwaar]

2 crit for 68 HP? I know the difference in Magic Resist is quite large as well, but not sure the effects of MR in a PvE environment where there are not many casters to really deal with.

[Hitoshura]

2 crit for 68 HP? I know the difference in Magic Resist is quite large as well, but not sure the effects of MR in a PvE environment where there are not many casters to really deal with.

Yeah it's the Magic Resist that is pretty tempting, extra flight time is always could, I could always just swap them, situational use.. shit still don't know haha.

[Lebzile]

I say sell, not worth losing 68 hp for lol9second more flight and 2 crit rate which ends up only being 0.2% crit.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Is the level 30 abyss purchasable gear worthwhile? It seems to boost physical defense a bit more than what I'm currently wearing but while probably phase out in a few levels as it is. Best to save up for the end game buyable crap for PvP or pick up pieces as I can afford them?

[Hitoshura]

I say sell, not worth losing 68 hp for lol9second more flight and 2 crit rate which ends up only being 0.2% crit.

Yeah I put it up on ebay before work, it sold very fast!

[Lebzile]

Is the level 30 abyss purchasable gear worthwhile? It seems to boost physical defense a bit more than what I'm currently wearing but while probably phase out in a few levels as it is. Best to save up for the end game buyable crap for PvP or pick up pieces as I can afford them?
Shoulders and gloves are really the only two worthwhile pieces to get. Pending the class, you usually get the gloves first since Attack Speed, contrary to it's name, actually speeds up animations for -all- classes. Sorcerers Cast Faster, Clerics heal faster and ofc, Templars kick more ass faster.

And I'd assume they could last till somewhere in the 40s, where people can start crafting golds with ASPD on them.

[Jodwahh]

Simple question: Mace or Sword?

[Lebzile]

Depends.

Xenophone's Quest: Mace, extendable is so much more useful then 4% more crit, especially for kiting Rangers, Clerics and Sorcerers.

But other then that, S&B for tanking and GSword for soloing.

[Maguspk]

Depends.

Xenophone's Quest: Mace, extendable is so much more useful then 4% more crit, especially for kiting Rangers, Clerics and Sorcerers.

But other then that, S&B for tanking and GSword for soloing.
You kite those classes? I'm pretty sure they kite us.

[Lebzile]

I meant, for those classes that kite, the kiting classes. Lol

[Maguspk]

I meant, for those classes that kite, the kiting classes. Lol
ah I see now. I thought you were about to shatter my world and motivate me want to get on and grind some more in the face of a lacking PvP system.

[Rehont]

Temp is 40 and loving it so far. For manastone .. the 43 temp in my legion runs a mix of HP/Crit/Shield Block and he beats other temps fairly easily. Its not a fast win but a survival win though

[Avivah]

Almost level 41 and finally got Unwavering Devotion. I feel invincible with Empyrean Armor, Unwavering Devotion and Iron Skin up.

[Hitoshura]

They are charging 5 million for it on our server. :(

[Elites]

Terrible howl get for like 150k on broker, i feel it's worth alot more but whatever to the dude who sold it.

[Arthars]

almost bought my devotion and atery slash today until i read about the notes

hoping they drop further, devotion is 2m and artery slash is 4m......

i got 6m to burn but im not going into that

and yea devotion is a hack.......all templars must buy! (altho i dont have lol... SOON!!!)

howl is very very good as i can forsee but with 5+3 slots all i can think for myself is:

inciter rage > the cure 2000 HPish Advance stigma

divine fury + break > the 700ish stun attack advance stigma

IJ

so thats a total of 4 + 2

my last 2 slots will prolly go devotion and terrible howl

i know we can swap etc etc but im lazy for now until i get to the 50 stage

[Hitoshura]

Devotion is up for 2.7 mil, I am so tempted to get it but I owe my buddy 1 million already, FFFFFF.

[Rehont]

honestly I wouldnt worry about Unwavering devotion til you hit 50 and go strickly PVP setup. Just my 2 cents but thats how I personally plan on doing it

IJ / Devotion and then set up for the 2k cure and Magic smash. Divine slash is nice for switching into GS for a quick skill then back to S/B

[RKenshin]

I'm actually making a thread in the advanced section for refining the accuracy of this sheet, but I wanted to post it here too to discuss a different topic.

One thing that has been kind of bugging me is the attitude people have on what you manastone as a templar. Personally I think (at least pre-50) you can do whatever you want and be fine to tank anything if you have reasonably good gear and know the job... And I've been finding more and more people that seem to not just think differently, but try to say any tank without mitigation manastones is making it incredibly hard on your healer.

But, a bunch of quick google searches and some research later... Damage taken in Aion isn't all that complicated. So I decided to put together an excel sheet to theorycraft exactly how much you gain/lose from different mitigation choices.

Result:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7355/ffxi605.jpg

It's pretty self-explantory. It's basically a comparison of four warriors, all with the same stats and varying levels of block (since in most scenarios block is the primary mitigation stat a warrior would shoot for). And as you can see the final results of the comparison show... the difference is incredibly small for [what is assumed to be] the approximate accuracy of a mob of the same level.

There are also many things that excel sheet doesn't include that make the difference smaller. IE, the proper use of steelwall defense benefits the non-block warrior far more than the block warrior. Our tanking CDs that reduce our damage taken also make the additional mitigation from a block less effective. Magic attacks cannot be blocked. Etc.

I'm sure the same can be said on the other side, but I think the former has more going for it.

Of course, none of this is to say that going for mitigation is a bad choice. For PvE tanking, it of course is the best choice. However, the point I'm making is that it will not break you as a tank if you don't go half/full or any. At least not before 50.

[Purrrfect]

Wouldn't the case where you block more and take less damage (right side) have the higher damage reduction %?

[Squallx23]

I think that is the % that you take, meaning the setup on th right only takes 63.75% Damage.

[RKenshin]

Fixed it so it's a little more clear. Previous poster got it right, but now I adjusted it so that it just shows the actual mitigation %.

[Anakron]

I think the difference of 125 Shield Block between Set1 and Set4 is a little low. Assuming 3 slots in each piece of gear, and using +18 Manastones, you can easily get 15 * 18 = 270, which is more than double the 125 you're working with. The difference still won't be that much, but should be more than what you're currently showing.

As you mentioned, the evasion and parry number may be a bit high, especially since plate has the lowest evasion. If that's the case, and assuming worst case scenario (dodge and parry less than mob accuracy), the only real mitigation check would be Shield Block, in which case the difference would be even greater.

[RKenshin]

I've changed a bit more to the sheet.

@Anakron, currently most of the tests/theories I've read of have shown that mob accuracy is typically a decent amount lower than your average player's accuracy of the same level. My current accuracy on warrior is at 1.1k. So, taking off a guestimated ~9%, leaves the mob's accuracy at 1000 (which results in the chances to parry/dodge/eva you see in the table).

But let's say my accuracy is lower than the average player's accuracy, and that the theories I read are wrong and in actuality the mob's accuracy is = average player's accuracy. So I'll boost the monster's accuracy up to 1200. Anything higher than that is over-exaggerated, considering it's rather commonly known it takes ~1800 block to be capped against a level 50 mob and I am only 42 [and not discussing lv.50 tanking]... meaning an average level 50 mob has about 1300 acc.

It looks like this:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7889/ffxi608.jpg

Difference between the two extremes is still very small. The difference only gets smaller when you include other factors like magic damage, steelwall defense, chanter buffs, CD up-time, etc.

Again, I'm not at all saying there is no difference or that block is worthless; I'm just making the point that your decision to gem full block or not doesn't make or break your damage in-take as a tank. On a per-fight basis, it's just about impossible to eyeball whether one tank is taking 3-10% more damage than the other or not.

With decent gear and knowledge of the class you're perfectly capable of tanking anything in the game (pre-50, at least) in your level range regardless of your manastone choices.

[Anakron]

Yes, I agree that crit is probably the way to go all the way until 50. I wasn't advocating Shield Defense--was just pointing out a full Shield Defense build would mitigate more more than you originally had. Most of the times, I see that deaths occur due to AoEs or multiple mobs, in which case an extra 10 or even 20% damage mitigation on the Templar probably won't save you. Single-target healing seems relatively easy in Aion, so imo that's really even less of a reason to go Shield Defense (pre-50).

I haven't read much about the accuracy of mobs, so I was just assuming that elite mobs specifically would have enough accuracy to make a Templar's Dodge/Parry rates effectively drop to 0. That may not be the case at all though.

But either way, interesting numbers, thanks for doing them.

[RKenshin]

Well, all of that isn't to say we should go crit lol. Just that you can not go block and do fine, but yeah you seem to share the same view.

I definitely do prefer crit for my personal set though. :x

[Hitoshura]

This is why I want to work on different sets of gear. solo/pvp critlar, magic reduc set, and an HP/block set.

[RKenshin]

This is why I want to work on different sets of gear. solo/pvp critlar, magic reduc set, and an HP/block set.

This is also why this game badly, badly needs some sort of system for equipment swaps. But there's none that I've found or heard of so far.

It's really, really painful to switch between two sets of gear in this game. Much less having multiple sets.

[Hitoshura]

They could definitely do it in a similar way with weapons, would love that damn hotkey.

[Purrrfect]

Okay, I'd like to clear up the "magic accuracy is for IJ" shit, it doesn't work because IJ is still considered a physical spell. At least as far as I know it is still considered a physical spell, only way to honestly test this is to use it on a magic immune person and see what it does. Assuming you can even be magic immune for a period in this game.

But, I'm sticking with it being a Physical spell over magical.

Just wanted to put this out there, but the other day I was in Beluslan fighting those caltrops or w/e mobs that use a tendon something poison that prevents you from using physical skills. It stops IJ.

[RKenshin]

I missed that post, but the fact IJ can crit is evidence that it's a physical attack; no magical attacks can crit (anymore).

[MrSamuels]

One thing that has been kind of bugging me is the attitude people have on what you manastone as a templar. Personally I think (at least pre-50) you can do whatever you want and be fine to tank anything if you have reasonably good gear and know the job... And I've been finding more and more people that seem to not just think differently, but try to say any tank without mitigation manastones is making it incredibly hard on your healer.



Bit late here but just thought i'd let you know, that when we run instance, unless we know our templar is going to be taking a lot of damage he always uses a 2 hander, people who say because you are manastoning for more offense are pretty stupid, especially late on in things like DP/Dredgion where a templar who uses a sword/shield only whilst being effective and annoying, isn't as good as one who goes offensive.

[Magewrath]

I missed that post, but the fact IJ can crit is evidence that it's a physical attack; no magical attacks can crit (anymore).

Excuse the noobness, but if the above is true, what does the Magical Crit attribute do? I have to say I've never actually noticed any of my magic spells critting anyway, but I always just assumed it was because I was too lazy to pay attention!
I did feel at one stage that the more Mag Crit I had, the more my Divine Spark might proc, but then again I also thought that about Mag Acc...

[Rishi]

Excuse the noobness, but if the above is true, what does the Magical Crit attribute do?
Magical spells can no longer crit, but book/orb auto-attacks still do. Which basically makes MCrit 99% useless.

[Magewrath]

Magical spells can no longer crit, but book/orb auto-attacks still do. Which basically makes MCrit 99% useless.

I always thought that auto-attacking from magical weapons still classed as a physical attack. Not that I don't believe what you're saying, but to satisfy my curiosity, would you be able to cite a source please?

EDIT: Nevermind. Just did a quick bit of reading myself and can see what you're saying is correct. Weird having something that is, for all intents and purpose, pointless in a game :|

[Fallyn]

I always thought that auto-attacking from magical weapons still classed as a physical attack. Not that I don't believe what you're saying, but to satisfy my curiosity, would you be able to cite a source please?

EDIT: Nevermind. Just did a quick bit of reading myself and can see what you're saying is correct. Weird having something that is, for all intents and purpose, pointless in a game :|

afaik it was in the game but they took it off spells crit procing and just didn't take it off of gear stats.

[RKenshin]

As was already said, all magic spells (healing and offensive) used to be able to crit. Around the time of the NA/EU/etc release they removed it, supposedly having to do with balance issues.

Problem is that while they removed the chance of crits, they seemed to forget about removing the attribute from all of the old gear. So you'll still see it on some gear, despite it being just about useless.

Also, I think book/orb auto-attacks are actually physical. Just because I think I recall getting some shield block procs off a sorc... Though I guess that'd be pretty easy to test.

[Squallx23]

Bit late here but just thought i'd let you know, that when we run instance, unless we know our templar is going to be taking a lot of damage he always uses a 2 hander, people who say because you are manastoning for more offense are pretty stupid, especially late on in things like DP/Dredgion where a templar who uses a sword/shield only whilst being effective and annoying, isn't as good as one who goes offensive.

From what I have noticed I honestly do not think that if a Templar is holding hate that a greatsword will out damage a sword and shield combo.

What is everyone elses perception? The way that I come to this conclusion is from the shield blocks the 4 shield counters are impressive damage along with Face Smash followed by Break Power (if that stigma is equiped) I am 43 also.

[Alderaan]

It's like that in the early 40's, until you get a decent GS at 45 with attack speed. Break Power crits for me for around 3400 without scrolls or food with a GS.

[Trocian]

It's like that in the early 40's, until you get a decent GS at 45 with attack speed. Break Power crits for me for around 3400 without scrolls or food with a GS.

How viable is Break Power without a GS/decent crit?

Figured I'd try it, but no luck in finding one on AH. Is Face Smash enough to warrant its use?

[Hitoshura]

How viable is Break Power without a GS/decent crit?

Figured I'd try it, but no luck in finding one on AH. Is Face Smash enough to warrant its use?

I've hit over 2k on Break Power with my mace, it procs even if someone else manages to stumble the enemy and works with a 1 hander.

[Purrrfect]

I think my BP at 36 is about 1300ish with a worthy adamantium sword.

Personally I've tried GS a few times throught the levels, but it never seemed like it was any faster. I also had a lot of "You cannot change weapons while in action" which pissed me off when I'm trying to run through skills. IMO I don't see how swapping could work really well unless you can make major damage with GS, to me it seems my shield abilities charge fast enough that I'm missing out on them while using GS.

[Alderaan]

Well for me Face Smash doesn't seem to want to proc that often, so it definately procs a lot more with GS. Either way, i've had Break Power since i could equip it and haven't taken it off. It usually crits for about 1k less with my mace than my GS, which is still well over 2k.

[Hitoshura]

I think my BP at 36 is about 1300ish with a worthy adamantium sword.

Personally I've tried GS a few times throught the levels, but it never seemed like it was any faster. I also had a lot of "You cannot change weapons while in action" which pissed me off when I'm trying to run through skills. IMO I don't see how swapping could work really well unless you can make major damage with GS, to me it seems my shield abilities charge fast enough that I'm missing out on them while using GS.

It has to be timed right, what I do when it says that is just hit it again immediately, I set my weapon swap key to 4. There is also Shift+z. You CAN make major damage with the right stigma's and setup, what I do is make 2 separate armor sets. One for tanking full of HP/block manastones, the other full of crit and ready to grind on mobs with a 2 hander. I didn't really buy into the whole swap weapon thing until I hit 40 and threw in Break Power, Divine Slash for some good consistent damage. Sometime I when Judgment procs I stumble them into Break Power then finish it with Divine Slash, does around 5-6k damage total.

[Imitarate]

I can tell you with fair certainty that orb and book attacks are magical, using a fairly low level source -- suspicious/gigantic boxes in the 10-20 areas. They take 1 damage from every physical attack, and completely resist every magical attack. They Resist orb and spellbook attacks.

I'm not sure I understand when Greatsword is useful. I plan on trying one out when I play around on templar (there's a level 20 blue that ain't hard to get), but does using one imply switching to S&B for bashes? If I'm going to use one, should I even HAVE shield block gear? Hell, I don't even know if shield block stones are useful, I hear HP+Att stacking is the way to go. Would make GS easier to use, for sure.

[Saxon]

I hear HP+Att stacking is the way to go. Would make GS easier to use, for sure.

Never understood the logic behind HP stones, and afaik Crit stones are the best.

[niwaar]

How viable is Break Power without a GS/decent crit?

Figured I'd try it, but no luck in finding one on AH. Is Face Smash enough to warrant its use?

Break Power is still very good with a one handed weapon. It is well worth using a stigma slot for it. It may be of very little use if you solo with sword/board since Face Smash tends to not actually stumble 80%+ of the time. However, once you start running instances with a chanter or an intelligent (read: non DW gladiator) you will have incredibly use for the skill. The only real disadvantage Break Power has is the lengthy animations of some of our other skills. If you your party member stumbles your target and you are inside a skill animation, you can often times miss your opportunity to use it.

[Arthars]

u will also need breakpower as a pre-req for divine smash at 45

so yea it is kinda a must have

anyway its strong for solo and pvp

for me, it has it uses more with a GS since facesmash is kinda random here

but in party, with a chanter or glad, you should still get to use it more often

[Hitoshura]

Gentleman.. I have a dilemma. I am about to ding 43 and hit up the gold weapons quest soon. The problem with that is I can't decide on what to get between the sword or warhammer.

This is my current main weapon..

http://i48.tinypic.com/2nlv668.png

and my two choices:

http://i50.tinypic.com/14nnypx.png

http://i49.tinypic.com/2vmg93a.png

My current warhammer has better attack and attack speed advantage over the gold sword.

Of course everyone is thinking this is a no brainer, but the problem is the warhammer's stats suck my balls. I don't get why it has MP while Xenophon's has HP, that is just kicking dirt in my eyes lol.

Either way it's still a consideration because it's an extendable, could always deck it out with attack manastones. I just have no idea, I am left with a shitty choice.

Any suggestions?

Edit: It was an honest mistake, please don't eat me.

[Falisa]

Jesus, learn how to crop.

[Elites]

Stick with Kuwa hammer until you have enough gold to get the blue version of the +14% attack speed sword, expert durable. Since you have to choose one though, just go with the warhammer for the sake of it being extendable. You'll be getting rid of either at 50 with something better. Magic smash is also decent with the warhammer equipped.

[erra]

I can make
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd133/ErraAlbum/NWKS.jpg
however currently on vaizel the mats would cost anywhere from 5-8Mil per try, and you need to get really lucky with 2 449 HQs to get to that thing. I guess my question to the 50s is, is that thing worth the effort to make or should I stick with,

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd133/ErraAlbum/ENOG.jpg
after 45?

I currently use the 40 (Expert Noble Durable Adamantium sword) and I love the Sword/shield combo, especially with ASPD scrolls and the ASPD on the sword itself,
Any advice would be appreciated.

P.S: I have 449 WS and can make both of those weapons, so money is not a huge issue, just don't want to drop so much dough on something and get similar results or even get outparsed by a Gsword around half the price of the 1H and 5 levels lower.

[Purrrfect]

When do you pick a mace over a sword? And for what reasons?

[Pooky]

When do you pick a mace over a sword? And for what reasons?

You don't, unless the mace is extendable.

[Darkdreamer]

Simple question. I'm new to the game and I just started doing BC runs. Being new I wasn't quite sure how branding worked. Is there a guide out there on how to build branding macros?

[Vail]

You don't, unless the mace is extendable.

Magic Smash, says otherwise. but yeah, extendable mace > unextendable garbage sword

[Naiya]

Simple question. I'm new to the game and I just started doing BC runs. Being new I wasn't quite sure how branding worked. Is there a guide out there on how to build branding macros?

Click K, go to actions, at the bottom are brands, drag them to your quickbar, tab to a mob, brand it, tab to the other mob, brand that, done.

[Trocian]

Is there a guide out there on how to build branding macros?

You can also bind brands to keys. Key Mapping > Brand. Saves bar-space.

[Alderaan]

I have brands bound to my num pad.

[Purrrfect]

Also, if you target a mob and right click on their dot cluster (maybe the whole bar), you get a brand list you can use as well.

[Naiya]

Ok just wondering about a few things. My Gear is okish atm i think. (Mostly blues, +5 NTC Shield, NTC GS etc)

I'm guessing unless i wanna pay 1.6M for a new Sword i should get Inferno at 32? (iirc it is 32) Then try for Kromede's Sword/Warhammer+Sipus Shield

[Gokulo]

While inferno is 32 the quest to get it is tagged 37 I believe.

[Pooky]

While inferno is 32 the quest to get it is tagged 37 I believe.

It might be a "level 37" quest, but iirc you can aquire/complete it at 32.

[Fallyn]

It might be a "level 37" quest, but iirc you can aquire/complete it at 32.

this

[Kael]

I've been leveling up, just got 22 last night.

Here's my character so far: Am I doing it right? D:

Trying to make sure I stay on the right track. Don't want to be a fail templar. D:

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=195559&serverID=13

[Sta]

this

I literally just completed this quest as a 32 Temp. The only trouble i had was the Wind Spirits and they weren't really tough at all, just had to rest after each fight. It took me about 3 hours to finish this line of quests (including farming to fire sword) It's worth it though, the Inferno is pretty pro.

[Tortalius]

What exactly does extendable mean? I'm not seeing it written as a stat on the maces....

[Anakron]

Extend-able weapons have a longer reach (part of the weapon expands like a chain), increase melee skills by several meters. On the weapon stats, it'll read as "Increases when attacking."

[Fallyn]

http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=41027&serverID=33

Makes me want to play my temp again lol.

[Elites]

I be betta, it's definitely op at 50 with miragents. Literally no class gives us trouble at this point from my experience. Life be so easy in the abyss these days.

[Ratatapa]

Just use PHC.

Unwavering Devotion is about 3 mil on my server, fucking ridiculous.



Sorry for necro but yeah

So +HP and + shield def manastone are kinda worthless for templar in this game?

[Lebzile]

Pretty much. SHDEF stones are okay once you hit the crit cap.

[Imitarate]

I know this is primarily about high level templars, but should I not be using shield stones at all even at low levels? They made a signifigant difference for block proc in the teens, which let me go from using bashes once in a blue moon to regularly every fight. Will crit be more useful even way down here in the 20s?

[Lebzile]

All I socketed was crit personally. It's all about what you like better really.

[Darkdreamer]

I started out using a lot of HP/Shield and while I had a ton of HP it took me forever to kill anything. Yeah you get more shield blocks, but once you start getting the Block Boost ability books it won't matter as much.

As soon as I started going all Crit I noticed a huge change in kill speed. We still don't kill with the speed of a lot of other classes but it will be much faster than if you stack HP/Shield. Now in terms of tanking I'm sure a healer will appreciate you having more HP so they aren't burning through as much MP, but being able to actually hurt the mobs you're fighting will keep hate on you.

I kept hate as much if not more when I did a group quest that had another templar and they stacked hp/shield, they were harder to kill than I would have been but they were also a few levels higher and decked out in full blues/golds.

But definitely I would keep pushing crit stones until you can hit that cap, and unless you bleed kinah it will be awhile till you can hit cap on templar.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I keep a full set of armor with crit and another with block. When I first entered certain instances and the mobs were 3-4 levels higher than me, I would use a mix with mostly block for the elites and stack block for the bosses (ie. Madame Bovariki). As I started leveling more to match the elite, I'd start moving more toward crit and less block. It's worthwhile to have two sets to do stuff like this and find a good ratio of DR and Crit, but if you aren't making money in the game, it can be hard to maintain that kind of set.

In general, it depends on your play style a great deal. If you are the kind of templar that duos a lot with a cleric or chanter at higher levels, you probably can't afford to stack crit straight up. If you just do pickup groups with competent people, you can probably afford to stack crit off the bat. If you do a lot of PUGs and dunno whether to trust your healers at first (idiots, first-timers, etc.), you have the opportunity to play more conservatively with a set geared more toward block until everyone warms up.

Name of the game is just playing smart and that will often have the biggest impact on your effectiveness if you understand game mechanics.

[Imitarate]

Thank you for explaining. I definitely see your point. The more you can count on the people aroiund you to be efficient, the more efficiently you can gear yourself. I definitely see the point of gearring crit/att as a templar, just not sure I'll trust any group I go with through the 20s at least.

[Lebzile]

I actually tanked FT at 30, was hilariously easy as a critlar.

[Arthars]

crit all the way until 50 i think :)

it really helps alot in pve

that extra 1k+ HP you get from slotting all Hp stones isnt going to help much really, or the shield defences. Basically you only iwll use steel wall defence when your skills are on CD(for that few sec only really lol) or when mobs/boss are going to unleash a powerful skill(or stun/knockback skills)

if your hoping for shield blocks to proc often ON BOSSES with full block stones, your wasting your damage output in every situation and trust me, you wont really see more procs than using steel wall defence

basically in summary, steel wall defence can cover all your blocking needs. just need to know when to use it

being said, i working on my anuhart templar armor now so i can slot some blocks and HP for PVE bosses hahahaha. preparing this mainly for future DP S boss

im using full crit stones till 400ish since at 50 you usually have a chanter to soft cap it. and still able to tank DP A boss fairly easy now.

my full fenris is eventually for MR

also crit stones really help if you have a really good sin in party

their damage so insane at 50 that sometimes even spamming full voked etc, mobs wont stay at me 100% of time ._.

my perma sin is a beast

[drewbixcube]

my sin is only 35 and i've not had a single templar able to hold hate off me in ft :( arthars need to teach them how!

[Drex]

common misconception on the whole "hp stones = less healing" thing, the cleric still has to heal you just as often, no matter how much hp you have. hp doesn't mitigate damage. if you take 2500 damage, cleric has to heal you for 2500 hp, whether you're 100/2600 or 7500/10k.

i went crit and attack on my temp, with block stones on my shield onry, and can't tell a damage mitigation difference when i compare it to block/hp temps i group with on my cleric.

[Saxon]

common misconception on the whole "hp stones = less healing" thing, the cleric still has to heal you just as often, no matter how much hp you have. hp doesn't mitigate damage. if you take 2500 damage, cleric has to heal you for 2500 hp, whether you're 100/2600 or 7500/10k.

i went crit and attack on my temp, with block stones on my shield onry, and can't tell a damage mitigation difference when i compare it to block/hp temps i group with on my cleric.

Thank you, so many times people have asked me why I didn't use HP stones and they didn't understand this.
Only thing HP stones are good for are healers with shitty reaction times, or preventing from being one shotted.

[Arthars]

max HP also good for DP A S boss where they make you go into lava ._.

but if you learn how to use 2k DP and iron skin carefully, HP is not an issue too

[fussel]

This is also why this game badly, badly needs some sort of system for equipment swaps. But there's none that I've found or heard of so far.

It's really, really painful to switch between two sets of gear in this game. Much less having multiple sets.

You can drag items to your quickbar, and if it's armor, a click on it wears that armor. You can also make a macro that triggers quickbar skills.

I know this doesn't sound very practicable, because a complete set would take lots of quickbar slot, but I really didn't fiddle around with that to see if there's other possibilities.

[Drex]

/use Itemname

in a macro will equip that piece of gear, or unequip it if it is already equipped. Just make sure to pay attention to that last part when you're making your macros, or you'll have macros that take off pieces of gear and never understand why.

So you can make a macro that's like

/use Head Item
/use An Earring
/use An Earring2
/use A Ring
/use A Ring2

and a second macro that's

/use Head Item2
/use Another Earring
/use Another Earring2
/use Another Ring
/use Another Ring2

and use those as swap macros. Also remember that you can't swap gear during actions (like during a skill animation)

[Hitoshura]

I am pretty happy with the numbers I am getting with 2 handers, do you guys take screens of your damage? Curious to see what everyone else has pulled. This isn't my highest but this was the first time I ever really tried to take a timed shot of the damage.

http://i48.tinypic.com/9bes5t.jpg

Although this low level gold 2hander doesn't have attack speed, I have noticed I huge difference in damage compared to the lv40 green 2hander I had.

[arus2001]

Eh, I've gotten some CC5s around 1800 with DBs somewhere around 1450 on crits. Precision Cut is basically Gladiator's "immahurtunao" skill, of which I've managed around 3300 on crits.

Really want a new weapon, but aside from grinding a 2k coin GS, only other alternative for me would be buying a 35m Zapiel's GS from people I'm assuming are RMT. For the moment, I have around 9.5m and then around 580 plat coins. So, perhaps around 20m in assets. Technically I really should get the Zapiel's since its damage is better, but I have no clue if it'll still be there by the time I get another 10m or coins I could try to pawn.

Edit: In retrospect, you're probably only asking about Templar damage. -.-

[Hitoshura]

Well yeah, this is the Templar thread. Though I am pretty surprised no one has made an all around damage screenshot thread yet. (hint hint)

I am mostly curious what kind of damage other Templar's are doing.

[arus2001]

Well, as a general sentiment, I'd call a 2.3k whack pretty solid if you can do it consistently. As is, you're better than my 2 KD moves individually, and they're only better together if both crit or at least CC5 does. Then they'll just be close. Guessing the timer on that move isn't too bad, probably 12-15s if I'm gauging your hotbar right.

[Hitoshura]

It's very consistent, when it doesn't crit it usually hits for 1200+. I want to Fraps some videos but it doesn't work for me on Windows 7. Anyone know of any good capturing software for Windows 7?

[Arthars]

its an undead

they pretty weak ^^

my 46 coin quest greatsword did 3k+ break power damage critical on undead refugees outside adma stronghold(asmodian side)

usually hit 2.3-2.5k on mobs like lepharist

[Hitoshura]

I usually grind off of them because it's a pretty safe spot. If I really want to get into it I head to Nahor Castle and kill a shit ton of 47-48 Vampires. There really isn't much of a difference on the crits I do on either of them.

[Darkdreamer]

So I'm about to hit 36 now and when I got new gear at 33/35 I got tired of clerics not being able to consistently keep me alive in FT and groups. So I sadly socketed HP/Block into my gear.

Now while the clerics are keeping up with healing now (I still think I just partied with some bad clerics) I've noticed a huge difference in my ability to keep hate in groups and my own kill speed solo. I even had 1 whiny Chanter complain that my block wasn't high enough and the temp he has in his legion with his 1650 Block is some sort of god.

Honestly I'm tired of trying to please healers that don't want to do their job and would rather pretend to be some sort of DPS than heal, and everyone that's not a Templar tell me how horrific I was for using crit stones. I wrecked people in duels with my crit setup now it's all about if I can bore them to death and hope they die of old age with my HP/Shield setup cause it's only a matter of time before I'll eventually die myself.

So tonight I do believe I will do what I want with my character and socket phys crit back in, fuck em. I could potentially see a benefit of shield block with your stell wall is down and you're looking for a shield bash, but the cool down on that is pretty decent to not even make that too much of a concern.

Also I do agree with everyone else with the whole Sword > Mace (unless it's extendable). I recently gave up my sword for a Mace due to my sword being grossly underleveled and not pissing kinah like it was going out of style for a couple mill sword. A legion mate crafted a sexy blue mace for me so I'll be using that until I can get the money together for a good sword or I can get the mats to have my legion make me a shiny nice one.

I do enjoy the survivability of Templar and there seems to be a severe shortage of them on my server so I'm never without a group when I need one. I did level and alt Sin which was so much fun to beat things down with. So I'm hoping my wife can level an alt up to 25 so her and I can go beat on crap together, I've seen some higher level sins just do some insane things pvp.

[Alderaan]

Trust me, it's not you, it's them. So many people rolled cleric mainly for the survivability in PVP, that have no idea how to heal a group. I lost count how many times a was close to death in my 30's because the cleric was busy dps'ing.

I've rolled a ranger alt due to being completely bored farming bloods for Fenris' and i have to say, it's really fun. It's a shame really because i really love tanking, but there just isn't anything for me to tank besides S rank. Even then a sin or glad can do just fine. I've done all the world bosses and such so i can't put my singer on it, it's just missing something.

[Darkdreamer]

Yeah I already have a feeling I'm going to be spending a lot of money on soul healing again.

Yeah I love tanking too, something I have fun doing when I play but the pvp issues I have with SM/Sorc/Ranger is quite unbearable, and that's all that seems to ever rift over anymore.

I'm either going to work on my Sin alt when my wife catches up or level Ranger/Sorc/Chanter as an alternative (she's doing SM). Of course I could work on all of them so I could have a full Daeva set available.

[niwaar]

Trust me, it's not you, it's them. So many people rolled cleric mainly for the survivability in PVP, that have no idea how to heal a group. I lost count how many times a was close to death in my 30's because the cleric was busy dps'ing.

I've rolled a ranger alt due to being completely bored farming bloods for Fenris' and i have to say, it's really fun. It's a shame really because i really love tanking, but there just isn't anything for me to tank besides S rank. Even then a sin or glad can do just fine. I've done all the world bosses and such so i can't put my singer on it, it's just missing something.

QFT...

I couldn't agree more with every thing you said. We aren't really needed to tank tank anything. Sins and Glad's are more than capable of tanking anything in the endgame with a fair amount of ease and they do not have to rely on artificial threat mechanics (multiple rotating provokes) to maintain threat. In the end, the entire theory behind limiting Templar damage output is that we have an offset of threat and survivability. But when the Threat component is so out of whack, it negates some of that.

I love tanking, I have not yet had the privilege of doing DP, but I have seen sins tank everything else major in the game so far. I started to level an alt as well, hoping to see my level of fun rise back to the levels it was in the beginning.

[Purrrfect]

QFT...

I couldn't agree more with every thing you said. We aren't really needed to tank tank anything. Sins and Glad's are more than capable of tanking anything in the endgame with a fair amount of ease and they do not have to rely on artificial threat mechanics (multiple rotating provokes) to maintain threat. In the end, the entire theory behind limiting Templar damage output is that we have an offset of threat and survivability. But when the Threat component is so out of whack, it negates some of that.

I love tanking, I have not yet had the privilege of doing DP, but I have seen sins tank everything else major in the game so far. I started to level an alt as well, hoping to see my level of fun rise back to the levels it was in the beginning.

+1

I've recently been wishing I had made a glad instead of a temp for a plate wearer. And I love my ranger alt.

[Darkdreamer]

I changed most of my slots back to PCH last night and I'm much happier with my crit rate. I would have changed them all but I'm still saving to get the mats for my speed boots and hands.

I'm hoping with this double xp weekend I can grind from 35 to 40ish, of course I'll probably have caffeine for blood by that point. I keep getting told the 40's is so much better for Templar and we're not target practice for literally every class.

What level can we start doing/safely tank things like Steel Rake? That looks like the next fun instance I'd like to work on, FT is getting boring/too easy.

[carve]

well as a cleric I agree crit will help templar in a lot of situations but I wouldn't socket only crit (or at least not socket HP at all)

I've met tanks with less HP than me (I don't even socket only HP) and that's just scary to heal, they get to 50% of their life at the first big attack, or after a double pull. HP increases survivability a lot (more than block in my opinion, or at least it's more reliable), especially on fights such as Lahulahu (SR lower final boss) with a single healer, where you basically have to survive for 3.5s with a big DoT on you and where noone cares about the damage you're going to do (you won't lose aggro anyway). The same boss with a tank around 9k HP is a breeze however.

[niwaar]

What level can we start doing/safely tank things like Steel Rake? That looks like the next fun instance I'd like to work on, FT is getting boring/too easy.

Honestly, they lowered the level of mobs in Middle Steel Rake. You can probably start doing Mid runs at 41-42. The problem that you will see is that you will basically be doing SR in some shape or form everyday til you are 46+. Make sure you get and complete all the quests available so you can start doing Hairpin turnins ASAP for your helm. With 30 turn-ins required you are still going to be running the instance 10-12 times.

[Darkdreamer]

Cool so time to grind up to low 40's then so I have something new to do. What about upper and lower? I get invites all the time to crap out of my level range so I don't really feel like marching off to get slaughtered.

@ carve Yeah I find having more HP useful as well. But, keeping gear moderately up to date a tank knowing they're about to get smashed pretty hard by a multiple pull or a hard hitting move should be prepared to get a voke down on at least 2 things and put up Steel Wall Defense, or whatever else they have, before taking too much damage, while the CC takes their sweet time doing their job and turtle themselves till things settle down a bit. Then they can let loose.

But I also agree with the previous point by Alderaan, too many clerics roll the job with little knowledge or intention of being a healer in parties.

I've tanked for good healers and I've tanked for bad healers, just like I'm sure you've cured for bad tanks and good tanks. So long as you're not mashing buttons like a retarded circus monkey people should be able to do their jobs fairly competently. But this game is also filled with dipshits that still need velcro to dress themselves safely.

[Purrrfect]

Your accuracy will also be a little shoddy in SR at the beginning, especially on the archer mobs. What is this about hairpins? Are they quest drops inside SR?

[Arthars]

yep

with the new droprates (and sadly lesser mobs that drop them) you SHOULD still be able to turn in 1-2, or i will say average 1.5 quest per run, if you hunt down all those quest mob in mid SR, namely shamans and healers

im still working on the head, cos frankly speaking, its a piece of really good gold helm for any class even at lvl 50

[Arthars]

well as a cleric I agree crit will help templar in a lot of situations but I wouldn't socket only crit (or at least not socket HP at all)

I've met tanks with less HP than me (I don't even socket only HP) and that's just scary to heal, they get to 50% of their life at the first big attack, or after a double pull. HP increases survivability a lot (more than block in my opinion, or at least it's more reliable), especially on fights such as Lahulahu (SR lower final boss) with a single healer, where you basically have to survive for 3.5s with a big DoT on you and where noone cares about the damage you're going to do (you won't lose aggro anyway). The same boss with a tank around 9k HP is a breeze however.

max HP dont increase survivibility for templars THAT MUCH

it does increase the survivibility for clerics tho by A MASSIVE LOT

i'll draw u the margin in a little example:
1. 8000 HP 400 crit vs 9000 hp 150 crit
2. 8000 HP 1800 shield block vs 9000 HP 1600 shield block
3. 7500 HP 1200 MR vs 8500 HP 1000 MR
i'll pick the former than the latter in all 3 examples anyday if i were to slot them this way

im not stating the extremes like 28x 85 HP as a 50 templar sockets here because if you do that at lvl 50, going full HP stones.......your pretty gimp -_-;;;;;;;

templars gaining 1000-1500 HP boost is pretty shitty, compared to gaining 150-200 more MR, or 200-300 shield block or even 300 crit or or or even 100 attack

whereas a cleric gaining 1500 more HP is very very very good so you dont get 1 shot somehow by random LARGE MAGIC MISSLE or can survive elyos/asmo zerg better by 1-2 sec to radiant/instant cure

when a templar really gotta die, because if a real shitty pull or hit by 10 trucks......he is going to die no matter how much you can heal.....our max HP dont mean we can survive better. theres more into that

im sorry but i really need to yell it loud to people that arent templars that MAX HP FOR US DONT DO JACK SHITS COMPARED TO OTHER STONES WE CAN SLOT YO

[carve]

yep

with the new droprates (and sadly lesser mobs that drop them) you SHOULD still be able to turn in 1-2, or i will say average 1.5 quest per run, if you hunt down all those quest mob in mid SR, namely shamans and healers

im still working on the head, cos frankly speaking, its a piece of really good gold helm for any class even at lvl 50

I'm not entirely sure about what you're talking about but on the Elyos side Archers and Vaegirs drop the hairpins and you can do 4 updates in a single mid run. (maybe it's very different for asmos, I don't know)

Actually I wrote my previous message right after a SR run with this temp (http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=21947&serverID=46). His gear and socket choice are obviously horrible but I thought that even with only shield block or crit manastones, he would still have 6.2k HP.
When I'm healing in a group, everyone has full HP all the time as long as the mob only does regular attacks/weak skills, blocking or physical def almost doesn't matter at all. The only time someone loses HP is when situation goes bad (bad pull, CC broken, powerful AoE, etc.) and when that's the case I don't think an extra 200 block has as much chance to save your life as an extra 1000 HP (both are roughly a 10% increase, except HP will always be useful while block is less reliable). Luck shouldn't be involved, if you survive until the situation goes under control, everyone will be back at full HP a second or so later.
With 6.2k HP (the base HP of a temp with no HP stones at level 45 it seems) if the situation goes bad you'll just die before Radiant Cure (the highest healing spell in terms of HP/s healed) cast is even finished. Obviously I don't only use Radiant Cure but when it is the best choice (basically when Light/Flash of Recovery are on cooldown and tank needs around 3k more HP to go back to full) you still need to survive during 3s (and if your max HP is 6.2k, surviving 3s with 3.2k HP left can be difficult)

Obviously I'm not a temp so I don't know how much more fun it is to play with a full crit build, but as a cleric I really fear a temp with no HP stones at all.

[Arthars]

wtf elyos need archers and the sins?! we need the RARE healers and shamans lol

wow fuck you guys really

i dont like to complain about how elyos got the better equip world bosses and quests much

but this is just makes me die a lil inside

thanks ncsoft for giving us talons and the hate

[Hitoshura]

Seriously, no wonder so many people have that shit. Practically handed to them.

[Hitoshura]

woops, double post. plz delete.

[carve]

that's really unfair indeed

well on Elyos side 90% of the mid runs I see stop at snow, people still get 2 updates and 1.25 for the pauldrons quest. Because of this I've never seen the gold greaves, I'd rather have done full runs every time.

[tol]

i'm 41 and im really starting to burn out between the length of the levels and the absolutely shitty kinah flow I have... I need some good motivation. Iron skin gave me a huge boner but now even thats starting to fade.

[Darkdreamer]

i'm 41 and im really starting to burn out between the length of the levels and the absolutely shitty kinah flow I have... I need some good motivation. Iron skin gave me a huge boner but now even thats starting to fade.

Yeah with a lack of having the ability to solo elites and things cash flow can be a huge pain in the ass. Hell I did a 3 hour grind to get my last 3 bars to level and I didn't get a single damn drop other than a couple of garbage accuracy stones, and some crafting garbage that paid more to NPC than the broker. The trash drops totaled over 50K though, which is sadly amazing for me.

My wife recently made a SM and I made a Ranger and we're gonna play around on those a bit to see how they go. Most likely we will both be rolling a Sorc soon or a Sorc/Cleric combo. Hopefully I will win the coin toss and be the Sorc so I can blow shit up.

[niwaar]

i'm 41 and im really starting to burn out between the length of the levels and the absolutely shitty kinah flow I have... I need some good motivation. Iron skin gave me a huge boner but now even thats starting to fade.

Really, there is nothing left to give you that feeling back after you get IS. You think maybe when we pick up Shield Ret/Artery Slash at 42 or Prayer of Freedom at 46, but these skills just aren't worth it.

Getting into SR really does help. With a good group you can do Lower at 42-43 as well as Mid. The problem as a templar though is that most groups will not take you to lower at that level at this point. Mostly because you just flat out are not capable of tanking Grogget in Upper and groups that do lower tend to expect to do Upper since they nerfed the place.

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Asmos really have to do healer/shamans for their hairpins? Im not quite sure on the numbers of those mobs, but you should at least be able to get 2 full turnins a run. Elyos can do 3.5 if they kill EVERY mob and stack quite a bit at the end.

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Soloing elites is overrated. Its the cash flow that kills me. I know there are templar's out there that make a killing. Yet, I am not one of them. Grinding just doesn't give enough cashflow to survive.

[Darkdreamer]

Thankfully a large portion of my legion lives in SR so when I get there I won't have an issue in going. They've been pushing my wife and I to hurry up so we can join them.

I'm looking forward to doing some MM though so I can work on getting my speed boots. I completely forgot about them and I've been trying to save up enough kinah to buy the 33 speed boots and hands. But now that I can get some for free I can just get the hands made and be done with it. A crafter in my legion has crazy luck so hopefully he can make the gold hands for me.

After I get the hands I'll be looking to upgrade my sword and shield. My current best option for a weapon was a free blue hammer so I've been using that for now. But I miss my sword and it's crit goodness. Any good recommendations on swords about level 36 that don't cost like 20 mill, hell 1 mill is a pain in the ass for me to get.

[tol]

Thankfully a large portion of my legion lives in SR so when I get there I won't have an issue in going. They've been pushing my wife and I to hurry up so we can join them.

I'm looking forward to doing some MM though so I can work on getting my speed boots. I completely forgot about them and I've been trying to save up enough kinah to buy the 33 speed boots and hands. But now that I can get some for free I can just get the hands made and be done with it. A crafter in my legion has crazy luck so hopefully he can make the gold hands for me.

After I get the hands I'll be looking to upgrade my sword and shield. My current best option for a weapon was a free blue hammer so I've been using that for now. But I miss my sword and it's crit goodness. Any good recommendations on swords about level 36 that don't cost like 20 mill, hell 1 mill is a pain in the ass for me to get.

Inferno sword quest! if you are elyos. I did it solo at level 32 w/o pots. It's a great sword for relatively cheap~

(C&P From aionsource forums from poster Rraahk)

1. Obtain the Fire Sword. This can be done by farming Dried Gnarls and Mottled Basilisks. Or if you aren't a complete masochist, you can go shopping on the Trade Broker (usually selling for 100-200k Kinah).

2. Once you have your Fire Sword, travel to Sataloca's Grave. With the Fire Sword in hand (read: equipped), speak to Garperos. He is located to the East of the other NPC's on a hill surrounded by the jaws of a fallen drake. He will give you the quest Fire Sword.

3. Go back out to the desert and hang a left, there you will need to kill Fire Spirits for three Flame Essences (they dropped 3/4 kills for me). Return to Garperos and obtain the Flame Sword - Items - Aion.

4. Once you achieve level 32, go to Sanctum and speak to Regmos - NPCs - Aion <Daeva of Flame>. With the Flame Sword equipped, he will give you the quest Flame Sword - Quests - Aion. I recommend buying a Sanctum Scroll from the General Merchant...

5a. Now back to Eltnen! Fly to Agairon Village and run north past the Drake Habitat. Run to Griffonix - NPCs - Aion and get the Fire Feather - Quests - Aion quest. Go to step 6. Note: Griffonix is only friendly during the DAYTIME, so you may want to skip ahead to the barghests and magma spirits if it's nighttime.

5b. Alternatively, you may kill Griffonix at night to attempt to obtain the feather by drop. The droprate is unconfirmed and he is a 3-star elite, so you'll likely want to bring friends. Once he is killed, he may respawn shortly thereafter as his friendly self. If you get the feather by drop, skip to step 9.

6. Run over the bridge to the west of Griffonix and kill Wind Spirits (Tornado and Sandstorm) and Viragos (Sentinels and Scavengers). The Wind Spirits can be rough, but you can get through them fairly easily.

7. If it's still daytime, you may have trouble finding Pretor Looters, but they are around. I found a spawn of 4 of them on a platform by the cliffs back toward the Drake Habitat.

8. Once it's daytime again, return to Griffonix to complete the quest.

9. Go South to Geroch Caldera. Getting through here can be rough at 32 as most mobs are 36+. On the left side, there are the Burning Barghests that you need. The tails seem to have a 30% drop rate, these weren't too hard.

10. Also keep your eyes open for the Magma Spirits for the Essence. That seemed to be closer to a 10% drop rate for me.

11. Now use that Scroll to Sanctum and talk to Regmos again... Congrats on your sword!

[Hitoshura]

So I take it Terrible Howl is a let down?

[Darkdreamer]

nope asmo

[Alderaan]

You'll make a boatload of kinah 46-50. Made about 10mil from selling plat. coins and another 15-20 grinding my Fenris' shoulder quest. Unfortunately, the kinah goes fast.

On a side note; I did NTC today for the first time since release, on my ranger. It's completely ridiculous the damage i was doing. 2k crits at lev 25 is crazy to me.

[Darkdreamer]

Well I'm hoping to make some at some point just so I can fix my busted ass gear and then gear up my alt. I'm hoping by the time I get to that point I'll be able to decide if I want to make Sin or Ranger my next job. I'm looking to play around with at least enough jobs to get a full daeva set so either one can take full advantage of it.

[Purrrfect]

I was pretty let down when I got IS and saw it was 30 sec with a whopping 10 min CD. With that kind of wait I end up treating it like DP skills and keep saving them for when shit gets bad, but I always end up dead before using. >.> Rage is so lulz in pve I haven't even seen artery slash come up since hitting 42, and for pvp I am just free AP for the elyos. ;;

Also, can someone clarify what constitutes the mid, upper, and lower parts of SR?

[Alderaan]

IS should be on a 3 or 5 min cooldown so we could, you know, take less damage than any other class like we're supposed to.

[Sta]

I was pretty let down when I got IS and saw it was 30 sec with a whopping 10 min CD. With that kind of wait I end up treating it like DP skills and keep saving them for when shit gets bad, but I always end up dead before using. >.> Rage is so lulz in pve I haven't even seen artery slash come up since hitting 42, and for pvp I am just free AP for the elyos. ;;

Also, can someone clarify what constitutes the mid, upper, and lower parts of SR?

Call me a shit Templar but i feel the same... PvP solo i die 80% of the time. Maybe it's because the higher levels come and farm me, or maybe it's because my class sucks. My best Aion friend is a ranger and we really own the abyss together.

Imo Templar shine in groups i rarely die when i have a DPS or healer with me. Templar seems fine when you soak all your kinah into the class... i have seen a lvl 45 Templar with full +10 gold gear and a 9m Paralyze Godstone own a few lvl 50s. I'm a lvl 43 Temp and he killed me within 10 seconds, he was good but I'm convinced he buys Kinah since he doesn't have a craft above 200...

Maybe I'm a n00b!?

[Arthars]

So I take it Terrible Howl is a let down?

nope

its got its uses

but slotting it or not, will depend on your advance stigma because theres prolly only 1-2 slots open if you do divine justice for example (which i did) and my 2 free slots consist of UD and bodyguard

i often swap bodyguard with terrible howl or aether armor, depend what im doing

bodyguard for mass pvp/dred obviously, terrible howl for pve(and solo pve), and aether armor for solo rifting/pvp

should get alot of more space if you dont do any advance sigma

[Hitoshura]

I have 2 slots open after killing all of the bosses in SR, now it's a matter of farming the AP...

[Darkdreamer]

Tol-

Ha... I just looked at your sig and we're on the same server, opposite sides. I think I was chasing after you and several other Elyos over the last few days.

Hang out around Alsig much? Or do you camp Morheim gate?

[Squallx23]

Terrible Howl is fantastic for Dredge also. Nothing better than throwing on UD and running into a group of Asmos while they have mobs then fearing 4 of them while the group takes out the other two. Divine Grasp + Terrible Howl is almost an instant win when you PvP in Dredge.

[Valkrish]

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[Ratatapa]

What is a good stigma build for end game?

[Alderaan]

Depends; PVP, PVE, mace build, sword build, great sword build?

[niwaar]

Id love to hear the GS build one...

I am on working on my damn Drana for the last stigma slot. However, I am managed to pick up UD while playing my alt and have been LOVING it. UD just simply can not be bought on Vaizel. I have been doing a fairly hybrid build with Incite/BG/UD/Punishment/Break. The full Advanced Stigma builds just seem less than stellar at best.

I am however looking for a good Macro for Bodyguard. I have not been happy with BG as a stigma outside of Dredgion. Which makes me really just want to ditch it since we usually just get trained upon for an hour anyway makiing Dredgion more of a PvE fest for us.

[Ratatapa]

Depends; PVP, PVE, mace build, sword build, great sword build?

all of em if possible please :)

[Ratatapa]

lol templar stigma seems to suck i cant find any good build lol

[Hitoshura]

Around late 30's you will definitely want to start implementing 2 hander based stigmas like Break Power and Divine Slash. Reason I consider Break Power a 2 hander based stigma is because it can only be activated when you knock someone down.. then again it does activate when you facesmash someone or anyone else knocks him down.

Good for soloing and overall swapping instantly to use break power for 2k+ damage for hate.

[Darkdreamer]

Break Power is definitely one of my favorite Stigmas to use, can do some nice damage with it. I duo a lot with my wife that's a Glad so having a mob on it's ass constantly is very common. I'm going to try Divine Slash this weekend once I get a slightly better GS.

[Gwynplaine]

What do you guys think about Unwavering Devotion? It sounds nice but really aren't there still plenty of ways for enemies and players to mess you over? UD costs 25mil on my server and I can't help but wonder if it's not a huge priority where 25mil of gear and items would be more worthwhile than it.

[Naiya]

wow, it's 4M on my server and that's steep lol at 25M :X

[Alderaan]

Think i paid 4mil for mine a few months ago, but yes it's a must have if you PVP a lot. You're going to get stun locked to death by rangers otherwise. 25mil is crazy though.

[Veyron]

Wouldn't ever give mine up, got it for 800k when it was the 2nd one on broker.

[Fallyn]

How am I doing?

http://uk.aiononline.com/characters/Castor/Aegiis

havent done any NTC, so no Nereus' helm, etc. yet, but will be doing it later.

[Hitoshura]

Doing it wrong already by rolling elyos. ;p

Go all crit IMO, also might want to use Incite Rage instead of Provoking Roar.

[Fallyn]

Doing it wrong already by rolling elyos. ;p

Go all crit IMO, also might want to use Incite Rage instead of Provoking Roar.

Psh! Screw the vag-back! And yeah, will be going Incite later, can't equip it yet D:

[Naiya]

Failure, level 25 and 0 PVP kills, wtf?

[Fallyn]

Failure, level 25 and 0 PVP kills, wtf?

Trying to get 30 asap for daeva set on my temp.

[Hitoshura]

Yeah go out there and show those higher levels camping.

[Hitoshura]

Damn this really sucks. I need to take one of these Stigma out for Terrible Howl and I can't choose because:

1. Incite Rage IV - Very good extra help keeping that individual hate. It's also a prerequisite for Great Resuscitation, which is awesome if you can't afford pots or you don't trust your healer much.

2. Inescapable Judgment - lol no need to even explain.

3. Break Power III - Very hard to even consider letting this go, it's probably the main source of the most damage I have done.

4. Divine Slash IV aka Punishment IV - Another very useful move that is only usable with a 2 handed sword. Great cooldown time and usually crits for 2.1-2.9k.

If I took out 1, it would gimp me in two ways. But at the same time, the benefit of Terrible Howl sounds like a complete package:

Taunts up to 4 enemies within a 10m radius of you, increasing their Enmity towards you, reducing their movement speed, and fearing them for 4 sec.
Stigma Skill.

Also sounds dangerous unless you are in a secure room for the fear. Any suggestions?

[Alderaan]

For what situation? I used to change my stigmas 5 or 6 times a day depending on what i was doing. Terrible Howl honestly isn't that great other than Dredgion. The only time i used it in the Abyss is if i needed to run away, because the fear breaks on damage. I never needed it in instances either because i usually never ran with any CC and just AOE'd down multiple targets.

[SaviorSelf]

How am I doing gear wise? Currently 38 and will probably hit 39 tonight. I have 200 molars so far for the guardian commando's body, but no backpack. I do have the shoes though so I can finish the feet whatever, but since the body would be a larger upgrade, I'm just going to hold out for that. Anything I should prepare for in the upcoming levels/how long will this shit last me? Currently saving up for the 40 gold attack speed sword, is that what I should be doing? So many questions D:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7509/aiongear.jpg

[Fallyn]

i always thought that guardian commando boots was the first thing to get for the speed?

[Senji]

He already has the lvl 33 boots. Looks good, you want the lvl 40 sword and then save for bodyguard. I don't remember the body being much of an upgrade with all the extra stats on the jse. Look into liquidating the molars to fund the sword faster.

[Fallyn]

He already has the lvl 33 boots. Looks good, you want the lvl 40 sword and then save for bodyguard. I don't remember the body being much of an upgrade with all the extra stats on the jse. Look into liquidating the molars to fund the sword faster.

He says he could get the boots whenever, not that he doesn't already have them.

[Darkdreamer]

After the last 2 weeks of the Broker being empty someone put Unwavering Devotion up for 5M (previously sold for 8+M) and dinged 43. Now I get to start the pain of Betoni's quest. Hopefully I can get my 50's in the Legion to come lend a hand, every Elyos around seems to camp the quest areas. I'm still debating with myself about if I should get Mace or Sword, but I think I'll go with mace just for the extendable goodness. My wife still has no idea what to get for her Glad, she has the White Flame spear and the Betoni's isn't much of an upgrade so she's thinking one of the 1 handed weapons to try a dual wield Glad setup.

Now if I can just find some Sins to fight with my new UD.

Also I get a lot of people wanting to duel when waiting to go into SR runs. Especially the Sorcs thinking I'm going to be an easy win. They just can't get past all my HP and I end up beating them. Every single time I win it's always "I hit the wrong button that's why you won"... just admit you got your ass kicked and move on.

[Naiya]

just admit you got your ass kicked and move on.

People don't like losing, i've rolled every class so far in friendly duels against my sin and some people refuse to beleive it, some cleric dueled me 9 times cause he wouldn't admit i beat him lol.

[Darkdreamer]

Yeah one Sorc in particular ended up dueling me 3 times. He was nerd raging in between. He kept telling me he could kick my ass if I didn't have my heals, my Iron Skin, etc, etc, etc and we needed to duel when those were on cool down. I told him OK, but you can't use a single CC move against me so fuck ur sleeps, roots, aether holds, etc, etc otherwise you can wait 10 minutes on my shitty cool downs and we can go at it again on equal footing and think about where you fucked up. Of course this pissed him off more.

By the third fight he ended up popping scrolls and food to fight me. I hadn't used anything like that up to this point so I used the one boost I cared to use, power shards, since I wasn't going to burn scrolls kicking his ass again. I tore him apart even faster than the previous 2 times. He didn't say a word to me the rest of the SR run.

Hell I spent 40 levels getting steam rolled by every single classs in the game. I finally start pulling ahead and winning duels against people and classes that previously tore my ass apart and people think I'm cheating or using a crazy amount of scrolls or something. Or the other typical response "You just got lucky this time".

[Senji]

He says he could get the boots whenever, not that he doesn't already have them.

The lvl 33 boots he has on are speed boots. Some people are cheap asses and consider the 37 quest ones the first speed boots.

[SaviorSelf]

Thanks for the tips.

I skipped getting feet first since I already had the expert 33 feet. My legs were garbage and the body had some nice stats that ended up being free since I farmed all the molars. Went legs>body and still need to get the feet. Planned on getting the gold version of the level 40 sword if it was available, worth saving up for? Probably 12-14 mil on Vaizel, but how long will that last me?

Also, should I manastone some attack +5's onto my gear? Near crit soft cap as it is but just wondering how having more attack would benefit me. Heard people melt in PVP after 420 attack...

[Naiya]

If it's the attack speed one (which i think it is) i'd say yeah try to get it or the blue will still be decent with attack speed and can get Betoni's/Xeno's Mace

[Senji]

The sword will last you a long, long time. Slot anything that you'll be keeping a while with att +5's.

[SaviorSelf]

Wish I had the knowledge of what I would be keeping for a while lol

[Hitoshura]

Well it's a bit difficult to say when getting into 40's. A lot of options, but I hit the lottery and scored a 35 gold breasplate, stuck with that until I started to do Steel Rake on a daily basis and scored some upgrades. I would really recommend saving your money if you plan on running it, that or start enchanting.

[Drex]

Looking for temp stigma advice

Currently running: Unwavering Devotion, Bodyguard, Punishment IV, Break Power III, and IJ, with 2 slots left

Looking at my options, I could do:

Holy Shield III (just for prereq) + Magic Smash
Divine Fury + Aether Armor
Divine Fury + Divine Justice
Or drop one and do Divine Fury + Aether Armor + Divine Justice

For what it's worth I have xeno mace and a blue GS that is hopefully gonna be plat coin GS soon

What do you think the best setup would be? I don't really like the idea of dropping the ones I have, but I really like the sound of Aether Armor, Divine Fury, and Magic Smash, so not sure where to go

Also worth mentioning I don't have 3rd advanced stigma slot yet, so looking at 7 slots to work with

[niwaar]

Well ... Magic Smash is really not worth having to use Holy Shield. Holy Shield is supposedly getting a buff in 1.9 but even then its still not exactly worth it unless fighting several fast attacking players. It has really no use in PvE.

Magic Smash itself does the damage of a crit Punishment on a similar cooldown. It simply is not a great choice unless going to push for the end advanced stigma, which really isn't feasible with UD in your toolset atm.

For a pure pvp build I just don't see a real reason not to have Great Resuscitation. The heal can mean life or death a lot more than a little more offense can. While I run Incite Rage, it is really not worth it with the state of end game atm. It is useful inside instances it just simply is not worth it. Given the choice, between grabbing HS + Magic Smash, the more interesting pairing is Incite+GR.

Aether Armor is a great stigma but if you are not seeing many small scale battles with casters in the course of your day, then its a moot point to get it.

Divine Justice is a decent pickup for an extra stun, but I am not sure its worth it.

If you dont want to pick up Incite/GR then I would say AA+DF. You are going to get a lot more out of this pairing than you would out of anything with Divine Justice.

[Darkdreamer]

Are you looking for a PvE stigma setup or PvP setup? If you're looking for PvP I would suggest the offensive tree (the bottom Advanced Stigma tree on your menu) of advanced stigmas and put Unwavering Devotion and IJ in there to round it out. For PvE a mix or even just the top branch of advanced stigmas would work.

[Arthars]

holy shield is the best stigma VS sins in 1v1, if you can react in a real pvp situation, before getting stunned and shit while your on guards......

with the new 3 stigma slots added for the future, we may actually be able to slot something for all round situation and not swap stigmas every hour ._.

[niwaar]

holy shield is the best stigma VS sins in 1v1, if you can react in a real pvp situation, before getting stunned and shit while your on guards......

with the new 3 stigma slots added for the future, we may actually be able to slot something for all round situation and not swap stigmas every hour ._.

Problem is ... its really only useful against Sins 1v1. If there is a group (and 90% of the time there is), then its not going to make or break. If its versus another class, then it really isnt going to make a difference.

[Sta]

holy shield is the best stigma VS sins in 1v1

i was lvl 43 Templar vs a lvl 50 sin and i popped HS3 up while not expecting much, turns out his health dropped and i won with about 30% health left. (inb4 lvl50 sin should never lose to a lvl43 temp)
So i asked him again to do it but without me attacking him, so only HS3 was up. It took him to about 60% health, i was amazed.

I hope it does get a nice buff~ a certain number of hits rather than time would be prefered so it's nice against more than just sins.

[Elites]

We still lose to decked out gladiators with our 2 healing abilities and iron skin. Hoping 1.9 is going to make templar above par in pvp against certain classes.

[donnie]

wut? templars are OP. I got a video of some of my pvp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZmP8kmjRY

and I have some videos left but i am bad at editing that shows me against many decked out glads/rangers.
there is one fight where i was against full AP weapon, armor and accessory ranger + (zapiel spear+10 ) glad + another zapiel spear glad which ended in me killing the ranger and 1 of the glad before dying to the 3rd one :)

[Vail]

wut? templars are OP.

^ this, just most players are not capable of wielding that kinda power

[Sta]

wut? templars are OP

Just as i read this i got 3-shotted by a Sorc as a 46 temp with 1.1k MR, and 11k hp. Aether armor wouldn't have helped much since the bitch stun locked me before i could even pop great resilience to try and save face a little.

Not to mention she had Ice chain on me (after i broke her root with prayer of freedom) and her sheild up so i couldnt pull her in. Tell me how i could have got out of that situation?

I think i'm right in saying that templar MUST be close to full gold + lvl 50 to have a decent chance at killing any ranged class in the abyss. Or maybe i'm just raging cos i suck at templar pvp.

I recently made a ranger twink (kinda) lvl 28 now and decided to go rifting in morheim. i made 5k ap in my 1st rifting session, jumpshots and all the semi-CCs ranger has makes life easy against 5 out of 8 classes, and even then... i found SMs easy to kill at this level, just sleep arrow the pet > nuke SM. Hell, i hit the boss in NTC for 2.1k at lvl 27.

[arus2001]

Glads pretty much have the same issue, but they don't have IJ to yoink runners and AS isn't quite a guarantee you could kill them if it doesn't resist.

[SilverBreeze]

Glads have that issue until they are geared and have Slaughter/Posture. Once a glad hits that point you don't need IJ because Cleave does more damage, is on a shorter cooldown, breaks a Sorc's Stoneskin on crits, and has a chance to knockdown and is part of a combo. At a certain point for Glad it becomes "Oh hey, you're in melee range of me. I win."

Warrior classes in this game are just late bloomers really. It's always better to scale with gear than with level in the long run. Templars are the same way, you don't really see them shine until they are geared at 50 and can put out some good numbers, while keeping their massive survivability.

[Darkdreamer]

Just as i read this i got 3-shotted by a Sorc as a 46 temp with 1.1k MR, and 11k hp. Aether armor wouldn't have helped much since the bitch stun locked me before i could even pop great resilience to try and save face a little.

Not to mention she had Ice chain on me (after i broke her root with prayer of freedom) and her sheild up so i couldnt pull her in. Tell me how i could have got out of that situation?

I think i'm right in saying that templar MUST be close to full gold + lvl 50 to have a decent chance at killing any ranged class in the abyss. Or maybe i'm just raging cos i suck at templar pvp.

I recently made a ranger twink (kinda) lvl 28 now and decided to go rifting in morheim. i made 5k ap in my 1st rifting session, jumpshots and all the semi-CCs ranger has makes life easy against 5 out of 8 classes, and even then... i found SMs easy to kill at this level, just sleep arrow the pet > nuke SM. Hell, i hit the boss in NTC for 2.1k at lvl 27.

Do you have UD? That helped a lot with fighting Sorcs so they couldn't stun lock me/Aether hold me.

[Sta]

Do you have UD? That helped a lot with fighting Sorcs so they couldn't stun lock me/Aether hold me.

/dream it's 5-6m on my server~ i guess i should get it

[Darkdreamer]

Or just wait till the patch comes at this point. But yeah UD will really level a playing field when all a Sorc has is sleep they can't do a hell of a lot else to you. Once you break their stoneskin you will rip them apart.

[SaviorSelf]

Looking into start working on gathering the platinum coins needed for the 46 gold set. Is it worthwhile? Would it last a while?

[arus2001]

Will say no, but somebody might think otherwise. At present, the weapons are probably the only thing worth considering for certain classes, but fusion for 2-handers will just downright eclipse the cost:benefit ratio for the 2k weapons, while some 1h like Xeno mace maintain some desirability due to extending.

Consider them adding a new coin line in 2.0, and without adjusting the required values for current plat items, they'll likely be even more of a waste of time and money when you could just focus on leveling and shooting for the newer gear.

The effectiveness of 1.9's improved drop rates are still unknown to me, but as a Templar, there probably won't be too much of an issue getting invites to run instances. And if you wanna be a real prick, don't party with gladiators so you get all the plate loot to yourself.

[Elites]

Posting a video of hitting people with lesser gear or ganking is not what i'm talking about. Yeah, i can kill any sorc,sm,rng,glad,chant etc with average to even miragent/fenril gear. I was specifically talking about decked out good players, who are wearing full level 40-50 abyss sets in duels. This would only amount to about 6 people on my server, that's all I was pointing at.

Korean's amount to thousands when it comes to that however so I feel it's an issue once we reach that point.

[Tzar]

Necro bumping for great justice~

Need some gear/l2p advice as almost all my gear is completely outdated from when i used to play.

http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=142496&serverID=32

Anything that i should specifically focus on replacing? If so, what should i replace it with? Running on limited funds atm cause the hacker raped my account it seems.

[Hitoshura]

Aside from at least purchasing Expert LV33 or 38 gloves/boots with the run/atk speed bonuses, just start hitting up SR otherwise for some easy golds.

[Tzar]

Aside from at least purchasing Expert LV33 or 38 gloves/boots with the run/atk speed bonuses, just start hitting up SR otherwise for some easy golds.

Managed to do an sr run yesterday, was easier than i was expecting it to be :D Any particular rotation i should be using for my abilitys or should i just roll face 1-9 on my keyboard? Also any particular stigmas i should shoot for?

[Hitoshura]

Just set a lot of similar CD abilities next to eachother. Shield stances next to the counters, etc. I like to use particular macros and point and click/speed pad like crazy so idk how you might play.

[Darkdreamer]

I'm looking to update my Stigma build after I dinged 50 last night and I'm not quite sure what to work on. My current build is:

Unwavering Devotion
Inescapable Judgement
Holy Shield
Magic Smash
Incite Rage
2K Cure Advanced Stigma (can't remember it's name)
Empty Slot from dinging 50

In my inventory I have Aether Armor, Bodyguard, and Break Power III

Until I can replace my Betoni's Mace I don't want to give up Magic Smash, seeing a 2700+ Crit on that is too sexy to give up. I haven't even begun to go after the extra slot, I just dinged 50 late last night.

For right now I will be doing more PVE than anything to try and replace my gear from instances, but I would like to move towards PVP.

Right now I'm leaning towards picking up the level 50 Stigma that inflicts damage and absorbs 50% (can't remember the name and it's just like the skill I just got at 50) but I don't know if it's on timer as the skill ability since they're virtually the same.

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences for recommendations?

Also I was thinking as I replace gear with nicer level 50 that I keep my old gear and resocket it to be more of a heavier PVE set with HP and Block (currently it's all crit) and all my new stuff stack with Crit and Attack.

Now I'm having FFXI flash backs with the situational gear sets.....

[Drex]

Our main temp's pve/dredg build is IJ, Aether Armor, Bodyguard, Break Power, Terrible Howl, Divine Fury, Divine Justice, Unwavering Devotion and it works really well

If you're talking solo and don't use greatsword then drop break power for something else of course

[Darkdreamer]

I'm still concerned over Bodyguard, it seems every time I use it I die lol.

I've made the mistake of using it on Grogget and he started doing his AOE slash and I face planted almost immediately.

I wasn't a huge fan of Terrible Howl in earlier levels, is it much better at high levels?

[Sta]

I'm still concerned over Bodyguard, it seems every time I use it I die lol.

I've made the mistake of using it on Grogget and he started doing his AOE slash and I face planted almost immediately.

I wasn't a huge fan of Terrible Howl in earlier levels, is it much better at high levels?

Terrible Howl is junk for PvE imo... 5 min CD is just stupid for such a weak skill~ it's nice for PvP tho since that 4sec of fear is valuable time to pump out damage~ needs to be timed perfect on healers tho :3

Does Body Gaurd stack with Nezekan's Shield? meaning you would take zero damage for whoever you are gaurding? that would be fucking OP in dredgion lol

[QotsaM]

Mostly playing with combined Expert orichalcum greatsword/blue PvP GS lv35 (yay PvP Atk+5%, 5 slots 50 and atk+22 bonus for 44k AP) and current setup is:
Divine Fury
Inescapable Judgment
Break Power
Bodyguard (used it for the first time tonight in Dredgion, quite happy about it, need to test it further)
Unwavering devotion
Divine slash
Terrible Howl (<3 removing sins's stealth)

I have yet to complete the last advanced stigma quest and I'll probably fill the new slot w/ aether armor for my PvP setup. Quite pleased with it so far.

[Darkdreamer]

Any experiences on having a Crit build vs an HP/Block build for 50? I don't go out and PvP to a great extent right now and just trying to do instances and things until I can get more gear from them and start working on my Fenris set. I Mace and Shield right now (I use Betoni's Mace right now, but hoping to get a decent sword).

Eventually I want to get a real nice Greatsword and once I get some more replacement 50 gear I'll most likely switch back to a full Attack/Crit setup.

I've really liked the Crit setup while leveling up, and would recommend full crit for any Temp leveling up, but now it seems I'm seeing my HP go lower a lot faster when I'm doing some of these instance boss fights.

Thoughts? Opinions? Experiences?

[Drex]

All of our legion temps use greatsword with crit+attack builds and I have no problem keeping them up against instance bosses (haven't done s-rank DP boss but everyone I've seen recommends GS for that fight too). Problem with mace/sword + shield is you don't do enough damage to keep aggro over real DPS classes, so what's the point in the extra survivability if you aren't the one tanking?

[Sta]

All of our legion temps use greatsword with crit+attack builds and I have no problem keeping them up against instance bosses (haven't done s-rank DP boss but everyone I've seen recommends GS for that fight too). Problem with mace/sword + shield is you don't do enough damage to keep aggro over real DPS classes, so what's the point in the extra survivability if you aren't the one tanking?

Yeah this^ 101%

I have incite rage + provoking rawr and i still lose aggro to decked DPS on miren 50 boss towards the end... and other long fights for that matter

[Darkdreamer]

So time to invest in a real good greatsword then.... now to just find money or actually get a damn drop for once.

[Darkdreamer]

What's a decent level of crit I should be shooting for before going to stacking attack with a greatsword? I know a lot of Templars don't go past the low 300s before stacking on attack, I just want to know if there is a number I should be shooting for, or vice versa. Is there a level of attack I should shoot for then stack crit the rest of the way?

Also, I can't get to any Aion sites right now, but is there a pre-req to Divine Justice? I can't remember.

[altwight]

my crit is i think 350 before food and 400 with food. i thoroughly enjoy it. lvl 34 +10 greatsword fused with lvl 25 pvp weapon. not stacking attack at all

[Fallyn]

yeah i use 340ish on most my classes; then with food+chanter (optimal) you are nearing softcap.