Gaming for non gamers and old gamers

[Meresgi]

Just got done watching this video



Found it super interesting because I have been gaming since I was 5yrs old and never stopped and because of that newer games coming out always build upon that foundational knowledge in some way. Yes they have tutorials and they try to ease in new players (some better then others) but it's much easier having knowledge of just gaming in general.

While dating my ex and playing Hollow Knight, RDR2 and RE2:Remakes with her while also her playing a few games on her own, she was always commenting on how I just "knew" what I was doing, even sitting down on a game I'd never seen before because "oh they probably hid something over here" or "Oh this is meant to waste your ammo" or even the simple "boss fight coming up" when you're given a chunk of resources suddenly.

Or obviously when younger and playing FFXI and other MMOs with parents and grandparents telling you to pause the game....hell I still get that type of mentality sometimes from current gf where she doesn't seem to understand i've committed time to this Mythic+ dungeon run damnit! lol

This has continued on with my current gf and if I play games with my brothers or other people. Curious other people's experience with this.

[arus2001]

"There is no pause button" has generally been one of the bigger hurdles of gaming with family around, and even if I just need 5 minutes to finish whatever, anything RL becomes the utmost emergency in their eyes when it absolutely isn't.

[Byrthnoth]

I tend to not game when I can't invest at least an hour because I primarily play novel RPGs and I can't really guess how long it will be until the next save point or whether the next boss fight will be a quick 2 minutes spamming abilities or a 15 minute kiting strategy. This basically means I game once a week or less at this point, although it has improved since I started using steam link.

I appreciate games like disgaea where I know approximately what I am getting into when I start a map and can pause it for a few hours even if necessary.

[Daydreamer]

Just got done watching this video

Found it super interesting because I have been gaming since I was 5yrs old and never stopped and because of that newer games coming out always build upon that foundational knowledge in some way. Yes they have tutorials and they try to ease in new players (some better then others) but it's much easier having knowledge of just gaming in general.

While dating my ex and playing Hollow Knight, RDR2 and RE2:Remakes with her while also her playing a few games on her own, she was always commenting on how I just "knew" what I was doing, even sitting down on a game I'd never seen before because "oh they probably hid something over here" or "Oh this is meant to waste your ammo" or even the simple "boss fight coming up" when you're given a chunk of resources suddenly.

Or obviously when younger and playing FFXI and other MMOs with parents and grandparents telling you to pause the game....hell I still get that type of mentality sometimes from current gf where she doesn't seem to understand i've committed time to this Mythic+ dungeon run damnit! lol

This has continued on with my current gf and if I play games with my brothers or other people. Curious other people's experience with this.

I heard something about this that I still believe rings true - playing video games is like a language. Once you become fluent with a genre you can generally pick up anything and be at least "ok" at it. I still remember blowing a guys mind in college when he passed me the controller to play Amplitude for my first time ever and I was able to completely crush difficulties he wasn't even able to beat. I was like dude I have hundreds of hours in DDR, I can do this with basically any music game...

[Krandor]

Overwhelmingly applies in fighting games. Once one has a fundamental concept of basic fighting game tactics/execution it can carry over to the entire genre of games.

[KuroTsuki]

Yeah, I definitely agree that if you keep up with games, the skill carries over for sure. A similar situation happened like last week actually where my wife was playing through Astro Bot and was on the final challenge towards the end of the game (something about X, square, triangle, and circle all together) and was having a hard time. She asked me if I could do it for her, hands it over to me who has like maybe 10 minutes of game time with it, and I got it down in 20ish minutes.

I want to say one of the games that had the biggest impact on how I play other games is DMC3 when it first came out. Things like iframes, spacing, difficulty, and item usage weren't things I really thought about before then. DMC in general penalizing you for using items is something that annoyingly affects me in other games to this day where I sometimes feel icky for using items. It kind of helps with making me feel that I need to "git gud" faster if I don't want to die a million times at least.

[Zealot]

I play a good deal of Metroidvania's and can tell you there's only so many ways they can make a character dash, jump, and attack before you can pretty much adapt to any combination.

[Malithar]

The foundational knowledge of how games works is really irreplaceable when it comes to gaming, it just makes various aspects click that those not versed have to give conscious thought or effort to understand or complete. Probably the most annoying thing though is when game design betrays that knowledge. "Why are you going down that hallway? You need to go that way." "Well decades of video game logic says there's something at the end of this hallway." *Gets to end and there's nothing*

[Krandor]

Random objects in the environment colored red that don't explode when you hit them

[Salodin]

The foundational knowledge of how games works is really irreplaceable when it comes to gaming, it just makes various aspects click that those not versed have to give conscious thought or effort to understand or complete. Probably the most annoying thing though is when game design betrays that knowledge. "Why are you going down that hallway? You need to go that way." "Well decades of video game logic says there's something at the end of this hallway." *Gets to end and there's nothing*

Random hallways or waterfalls that give you nothing for exploring, or downright shit like crafting consumables.

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[Tymon]

"There is no pause button" has generally been one of the bigger hurdles of gaming with family around, and even if I just need 5 minutes to finish whatever, anything RL becomes the utmost emergency in their eyes when it absolutely isn't.

I think this has been a hurdle for decades, at least for me lol.

Having to explain (visually!) to my family back in the mid 2000's that you couldn't pause FFXI... lol

Conversely, being online on FFXI and actually telling your party "gotta go, huge emergency" had a ton of weight to it.

[Salodin]

I think this has been a hurdle for decades, at least for me lol.

Having to explain (visually!) to my family back in the mid 2000's that you couldn't pause FFXI... lol

Conversely, being online on FFXI and actually telling your party "gotta go, huge emergency" had a ton of weight to it.

Just putting your hands up in the middle of limbus and going "they said it was important, you know it has to be"

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[Anoat]

I can always tell when someone has no or near zero videogame knowledge when they try to move a controller up or down or side to side in moments of excitement like Barbara this is a PlayStation it’s not motion controlled

I think that’s a big reason why Nintendo was able to corner the casual/grandma market with the Wii and Switch motion controls

[The Stig]

Just got done watching this video

Found it super interesting because I have been gaming since I was 5yrs old and never stopped and because of that newer games coming out always build upon that foundational knowledge in some way.

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This has continued on with my current gf and if I play games with my brothers or other people. Curious other people's experience with this.

Thanks for making me want to watch this video. I assumed it was just Mark going on about how he started gaming, so I didn't even think about clicking it.

Like you also been gaming since basically 1990.

Building upon that foundation is good in its own way, like you and others say here it allows you to pick up games easily but I found it to also have an inverse effect on me depending on game. For example, I used to enjoy the Sonic games a lot (pre 3D), but these days I have no interest in them. I don't mind watching people play them or watch speedruns of them, but when I played it I do not find it too much fun anymore (i.e. Sonic Mania).

I don't do Pokemon or Zelda these days either for example. For Pokemon because it's still 4 moves and I'm playing as what is basically a kid main character. For Zelda I refuse to play games these days if the main character is mute (FFXIV and Genshin are exempt. FFXIV gets by with my character appearing to talk. Genshin I've not watched or paid attention to a single cutscene).

Overwhelmingly applies in fighting games. Once one has a fundamental concept of basic fighting game tactics/execution it can carry over to the entire genre of games.

This comment makes me think of easy commands vs traditional like QCB QCF HCB HCF FC commands etc haha (and lets not mention King of Fighter's weirdass commands). The easy commands was created for a generation of people that never played fighting games pre 2008ish and/or for mobile games.

Conversely, being online on FFXI and actually telling your party "gotta go, huge emergency" had a ton of weight to it.

Agree, and nowdays telling people you gotta go is basically them saying "fuck this I got better things to do than to waste my time" or "I got mine so fuck you" etc

It's why I am hesitant in joining any farm groups in FFXIV, one can easily dash with 0 consequences or if someone does do a runner the entire group can break up, especially over something petty (i.e. 1x wipe), but back in simpler times of FFXI someone would happily over extend (but indeed times were different back then) just to see to your turn of turning in an orb for your BCNM/KSNM, or getting you that test / coffer key drop, etc

[Kachiko]

Well, it's probably the same for kids these days, but instead of thinking, I'll just stay up and be tired for school its, it's more like: "Oh Shit, the kid just pored water on the TV!"

[synistar]

[Zealot]

That guy sounds so much like Howard Stern that I thought he was lip syncing at first.

[Salodin]

Hate this shit

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[Kaisha]

I think that’s a big reason why Nintendo was able to corner the casual/grandma market with the Wii and Switch motion controls

I figure it's a combo of waggle, but also the fact it's a controller with just two primary action buttons in use in either config (pointer -> A & B, sideways -> 1 & 2), give or take a couple more if a Nunchuk is connected. You hand any kid not fluent with a DualShock style config and they'll be confused for awhile acclimating to where things are and the button/trigger names, especially with regards to how analog sticks tend to maneuver a character/camera in a modern setting. God forbid they end up being one of the inverted camera type for third-person titles.

I don't know how kids can stand anything beyond simple 'point and click' style games on a phone. It's way too fucking cumbersome trying to use two virtual joysticks on a touch screen (even on games that do it right where the stick centers based on where you pressed and move relative from there until you lift off) while also trying to hit onscreen buttons to perform actions. It's probably why the 'auto play' type of games tend to be popular......even though they're just glorified idle games at that point.

[Kachiko]

I don't know how kids can stand anything beyond simple 'point and click' style games on a phone. It's way too fucking cumbersome trying to use two virtual joysticks on a touch screen (even on games that do it right where the stick centers based on where you pressed and move relative from there until you lift off) while also trying to hit onscreen buttons to perform actions. It's probably why the 'auto play' type of games tend to be popular......even though they're just glorified idle games at that point.

Maybe to us old folks, but to a kid that doesn't now anything else? It's just normal. My question is, how old are said kids? Because at a certain age, you do know what a keyboard is, at the least.