Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka from Decapitated died yesterday.

[Amarok]

I know several people here listen to death metal so I'd thought I'd post.

Drummer Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka of the Polish extreme metal band DECAPITATED passed away in a Russian hospital from injuries sustained in a recent road collision. He was 23 years old.

Decapitated have been pretty terrible since Sauron left but Vitek has always been an incredible drummer, especially for being only 16 when "Winds of Creation" was released.

He was only 15 when they recorded the album and in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmLb7IAlxPo

[thestalkmore]

meh

[Kaylia]

Listening to this video clip made me realize my favorite and least favorite music style are both "metal". I can't stand that kind of band. Was a pretty good drummer tho.

[Aeromyth]

Listening to this video clip made me realize my favorite and least favorite music style are both "metal". I can't stand that kind of band. Was a pretty good drummer tho.

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

[Saga]

im fucking retarded

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

rofl

[Chicomagiko]

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

rofl

oh



snap!

[Saga]

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

rofl

are you disagreeing with me? i can't tell.

[Kaylia]

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

Some band can scream, but you can still distinguish the instrument and music out of the noise and distortion
Children of Bodom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7jFV1H9-Q
In flames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr2FOQgBHXM

And wtf at your definition of metal, it doesnt require "grunt" to be considered metal. Nightwish, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth is all metal the same way your grunt music is.

[Stolin]

The Many Genres Of Metal!

death metal
thrash metal
black metal
gore metal
grind metal
punk metal
power metal
symphonic metal
speed metal
classic metal
nu-metal
industrial metal
blackened death metal
retro-thrash metal
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melodic metal
stoner metal
sludge metal
progressive metal
doom metal
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80's metal
alternative metal
New Wave of British Heavy Metal metal
New Wave of Swedish Death Metal metal
darkwave metal
techno metal
ambient metal
Aluminum metal
Glam metal
Space metal
porno metal
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math metal
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medical metal (with an optional dental plan)
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E=mc² metal
funeral doom metal
slippery when wet metal
sugar-free metal
pork, the other white metal

[Palin]

Listening to this video clip made me realize my favorite and least favorite music style are both "metal". I can't stand that kind of band. Was a pretty good drummer tho.

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. I hate people who think death/black are the only "TRUE" forms of metal. Look at the roots of Metal with Maiden and Priest and look at the different genres that evolved from that, much closer to the roots than death. Neo-classical, Progressive, Power, Gothic, Doom, etc are all genres of Metal that are more closely related to the orgins than Death/Black. Just because its not grunting and playing as fast as you can doesn't mean its not metal. I hate that misconception, it couldn't be further from the truth.

[Amarok]

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

No...

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

Might as well have posted "I'm fucking retarded".

[Saga]

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

No...

[quote:176fv0hk]

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

Might as well have posted "I'm fucking retarded".[/quote:176fv0hk]

k, done. point being, this is shit. the drummer's good, ill give him that. yes, he's 15. that's pretty sick. as far as "music" is concerned though...i mean okay everyone's definition of music is different, etc. etc. /agingliberalhippiedouche off. point being, i can grab 3 of my suitemates and go, "okay ted, here's a mic. scream into it whatever comes into your head. kyle, you're the only one who can play, and by play i mean you have really good chops and can maek fast noetz, and bobby, here's a guitar. crank up the distortion to max so no one can discern which notes you're actually playing and go buck wild, pal."

look, a death metal band. i just dont see the point of death metal. so some of it is discernable, great. time signature and rhythmic cycles. tell me what greater purpose it serves and why you consider it "music" and ill kindly gtfo.

[Plow]

almost a full page and no jokes about what exactly the injury may have been?


had to quote me before I could make myself look slightly less retarded ><

[thestalkmore]

I'd agree with Saga. The heaviest I go is melodic death metal. After that, the indiscernability of everything just pisses me off, it just gets ugly and pathetic.

[Amarok]

Music without grunt is not metal anymore. If you're not a fan of this, you're not a fan of metal.
If its from the '80s It might have been considered metal, but with the evolution of bands like this, other bands just became a kind of "heavy rock". You may have just identified your boundary of metal/Numetal.

No...

[quote:2roird9v]

lol, noise, screaming, loud drum fills, near-indistinguishable everything...this isn't music, sorry.

Might as well have posted "I'm fucking retarded".

k, done. point being, this is shit. the drummer's good, ill give him that. yes, he's 15. that's pretty sick. as far as "music" is concerned though...i mean okay everyone's definition of music is different, etc. etc. /agingliberalhippiedouche off. point being, i can grab 3 of my suitemates and go, "okay ted, here's a mic. scream into it whatever comes into your head. kyle, you're the only one who can play, and by play i mean you have really good chops and can maek fast noetz, and bobby, here's a guitar. crank up the distortion to max so no one can discern which notes you're actually playing and go buck wild, pal."

look, a death metal band. i just dont see the point of death metal. so some of it is discernable, great. time signature and rhythmic cycles. tell me what greater purpose it serves and why you consider it "music" and ill kindly gtfo.[/quote:2roird9v]

Just because you personally don't see the point of death metal and don't like how it sounds doesn't mean other people DO see the point of death metal and DO enjoy it. Maybe only some of it is discernible to you but I can hear everything because I've been listening to it for years. If you want to listen to a band that is a bit more accessible, meaning the instruments are a bit more discernible without having to have been listening to it for a while, try Necrophagist, Psycroptic, Impaled or if you're not a fan of the heaviness of those, try some Death.

The point of death metal is the same as any other genre of music, to play something you enjoy and that people like to listen to. The reason I consider it music is because I enjoy to listen to it, just like I enjoy to listen to The Velvet Underground or Dax Riggs, just like anyone likes to listen to music. People seem to have the mindset that something they don't understand is automatically bad, and you're a perfect example.

[Amarok]

almost a full page and know jokes about what exactly the injury may have been?

Might as well do it..

WAS HE DECAPITATED?

[Tekki]

The Many Genres Of Metal!
List of metal genres

QFT. And arguing what is and isn't music is like arguing over what is art and what isn't. Its all about perspective and defined by the fan.

Anyway, back to Vitek. Drums are a big part of why I love metal. Even if you don't like Decapitation's style, you can't deny how awesome Vitek was on the drums, especially at his age.

EDIT: wow at the posts while I write my response. Saga, you do realize how pointless your argument is? Its an argument on Art vs. Not. You wont win....

[Amarok]

And arguing what is and isn't music is like arguing over what is art and what isn't. Its all about perspective and defined by the fan.

I should have just posted that.

[Saga]

And arguing what is and isn't music is like arguing over what is art and what isn't. Its all about perspective and defined by the fan.

I should have just posted that.

i agree with tekki, and i probably should have just posted the same thing, but i come from a very traditional background in music (classically trained, grew up on dave matthews band, etc.) so me trying to find musicality in death metal is like george bush trying to accept homosexuals. sorry m8