BRD songs on bosses

[rithridan]

I was wondering what other groups prefer their brds singing during boss fights? Obviously its dependent on your melee/tanks, in our case we use 2 mnks as melee/tanks. Would you use double march and have the mnks eat sushi or march+madr and have them eat meat? The main idea behind it is to get the most optimal damage output while still having the benifits of 2 meritted mnks (penance) and not hindering their tanking capabilities.

[SamanosukeShiva]

meat + 2xmarch of course if fully merit/gear, myself i use sushi + 2x march

[Zosi]

You should probably specify that you mean Salvage bosses, as opposed to the various other end-game bosses. ^^

With that out of the way, as a tanking MNK, I expect double March all the time. If we have two bards, depending on the boss, I'll take double Minuets or Min/Mad from the second, but mostly Minuets, because Salvage bosses really aren't that evasive.

[Conrad]

I do Minuet/March because
A) Minuet merits, and
B) One of our MNKs doesn't have Penance fully merited, so we still have to deal with some TP moves and I want to avoid excess ones.

[rithridan]

I should really prepare a parser for next time, just eyeballing the chatlog made it look like acc wasn't that good.

[chapstick]

We use march/minuet

[Holman]

On Lbc I've only seen march/minuet, every other boss we usually do Minuetx2. It really depends, because I go corsair and also do Chaos Roll and monk roll most of the times that we go.

[Wizerd]

Minuet x2 if we expect multiple HFs. Otherwise, Minuet / March when HF wears off.

March x2 is ridiculous when the first one is Soul Voiced the entire battle anyway... nearly 7 minutes of it with Troubadour. Exception being Arrapago's boss, where we sometimes take advantage of 2x March.

The salvage bosses really are quite evasive, but with merits and some decent acc gear we still parse above I believe 70%? I'll parse next time and see.

[rithridan]

70% acc sounds a bit low for a DD. Wouldn't it be much better to get at least 87~90% acc before applying att bonus? Especially seeing as MNK WSs are heavely dependent on their hits landing.

[Valyana]

Yes, if acc is below 80% Madrigal is a good bet. Though Minuet also improves damage per mob TP, whereas Madrigal and March do not.

On AC yesterday I was playing 2x March (to be sure Utsu is up for Mortal Revolution) and our Kikoku NIN eating sushi had 92% acc, while our Destroyers/BB MNK eating meat had 65% acc. Madrigal adds about 16-18.5% acc, depending on merits, so one Madrigal would have brought the MNK up into the more reasonable 80%+ range.

[Crizto]

We usually do SV double minuet during the MNK 2h. Then do double march for the rest of the fight.

[Lilswitche]

In the normal situation on bosses, we usually do meat food with Madri/march with 5/5 madrigal merits. Sometimes we have 2 brds, so minuet/madri/marchx2. When the MNks are getting ready to HF, I'll do minuet/madrigal.

I think it really does depend on how well meritted ur mnk is and how they are geared though, as people have mentioned. If you're still unsure, try both and see which you like better.

[Wizerd]

We like Minuet and meat over accuracy bonus things sometimes purely because increasing your accuracy also directly increases your hits landed, and depending on your setup for the day and which boss it is, can sometimes drain MP too fast due to increased TP moves.

[Terrestrialrage]

We use March/Minuet + Sushi. Counter is based off accuracy relative to the mob, so Mnks always Sushi up for the boss, to maximize counters. Usually avoid 2x March to prevent boss TP spam, but keep Utsusemi timers up.

[Bakthi]

We generally start off with SV Minuets for the MNKs (and often a SAM) to 2hour, then move to Minuet+March. MNKs usually eat sushi on boss fights. Once when, for whatever reason, we only had a single MNK tanking Armored Chariot, I did use 2x March.

[Judai]

I eat Meat for everything on Monk and we use March/Minuet for Bosses. Double Min for Zerg times tho.(100,Spy's,etc) Usually Mnk+Nin tanking, sometimes a War instead of Nin.

[SnickySnacks]

I'm scratching my head at this. How much +acc are you using on the chariots to not have to eat sushi? My accuracy is noticably low without sushi (and can cause problems due to not being able to hold hate, especially after things like brainjack).

Right now I am fully merited on monk and have b.belt, but only go with +25-30 accuracy or so, depending on what i'm wearing. Even still we have issues killing most of the chariots in under 15 minutes and have resorted to keeping 2 monks and a sam/thf or war/thf on the chariot in order to put out enough damage over the course of the fight so we don't time out. (sam moving off if too much tp, etc).

I'd love to have a suggestion on how to go from 15-20 min fights down to the 10m (or less!) fights many people are boasting.

We usually have MNK/NIN x2 (1 bb, one not), SAM/THF or WAR/THF w.g.axe, BRD, WHM, RDM, THF (not meleeing), RDM.

Ocassionally tossing in 1-2 RNGs and we're still not killing them effeciently enough and it's driving me absolutely nuts. My 100 fists normally takes off 8% of the chariot's HPs at most, which seems low given that many people say it's possible to take LAC down to 60% or so before the first brainjack.

I've got destroyers, o.hat/shura hat, melee gloves , soil gorget/pcc, SH+1/shura togi, brutal/etheral, rajas, melee pants, dune boots, bb, forager's. Also have full relic available to swap in for any spot. Haven't bothered switching o.hat/shura for walara as less accuracy wouldn't seem to help, and I have no way to get byakko pants, so that's not really an option.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Wizerd]

I'm scratching my head at this. How much +acc are you using on the chariots to not have to eat sushi? My accuracy is noticably low without sushi (and can cause problems due to not being able to hold hate, especially after things like brainjack).

Right now I am fully merited on monk and have b.belt, but only go with +25-30 accuracy or so, depending on what i'm wearing. Even still we have issues killing most of the chariots in under 15 minutes and have resorted to keeping 2 monks and a sam/thf or war/thf on the chariot in order to put out enough damage over the course of the fight so we don't time out. (sam moving off if too much tp, etc).

I'd love to have a suggestion on how to go from 15-20 min fights down to the 10m (or less!) fights many people are boasting.

We usually have MNK/NIN x2 (1 bb, one not), SAM/THF or WAR/THF w.g.axe, BRD, WHM, RDM, THF (not meleeing), RDM.

Ocassionally tossing in 1-2 RNGs and we're still not killing them effeciently enough and it's driving me absolutely nuts. My 100 fists normally takes off 8% of the chariot's HPs at most, which seems low given that many people say it's possible to take LAC down to 60% or so before the first brainjack.

I've got destroyers, o.hat/shura hat, melee gloves , soil gorget/pcc, SH+1/shura togi, brutal/etheral, rajas, melee pants, dune boots, bb, forager's. Also have full relic available to swap in for any spot. Haven't bothered switching o.hat/shura for walara as less accuracy wouldn't seem to help, and I have no way to get byakko pants, so that's not really an option.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

My gearset is:

Destroyers / Tiphia Sting
Usukane Somen / Chivalrous Chain / Spike Earring / Brutal Earring
Shura Togi / Usukane Gote / Rajas Ring / Ulthalam's Ring
Amemet Mantle +1 / Black Belt / Usukane Hizayoroi / Dune Boots

I haven't parsed any fights recently but eyeballing it I'd place my accuracy between 75 and 85%, probably closer to the middle of that, since we usually get a Madrigal, often SV'd. My Hundred Fists is always enhanced with drinks, and usually takes off ~15-20% of the chariot's HP depending on the chariot. LAC is pretty weak and you get good drinks so sometimes I can take off closer to 25% alone, but when you damage it that fast it likes to charm early and during HF.

My tanking partner is always geared closely, really only missing Usukane head/hands. My wife who sits in sometimes as my tanking partner has Usu feet.

Our fights with 2x HF usually take about 10 minutes. LAC is 10-12min now, BCC is about 10-11min, AC is still 13-14min because Mortal Rev can suck my balls and this one still hurts a little, and LBC is either 4-7min depending on Revitilizer luck or 18-25min if not weakened (due to being careful).

[Odd]

min/mar and meat has always been enough for our group to kill bosses in ~10min

even if you miss more, you're giving the boss less tp and hitting harder on the hits that do connect

lol at mortal revolution causing problems. maybe give it less tp so you can have 2-3 shadows up more often

use feint, fighters drink, focus to help supplement your acc when needed

if your tp moves are coming at a manageable pace, having the extra acc boost for counter is a non-issue because you rarely get hit w/o shadows

[Wizerd]

lol at mortal revolution causing problems. maybe give it less tp so you can have 2-3 shadows up more often

lol all you want, but it's pretty much impossible to share hate perfectly so that the chariot will hit tank 1 and take a shadow, then switch to tank 2, take a shadow, switch back, etc. When it gets below 25%, it spams its TP like no tomorrow despite the fact that we have only 2 MNKs on it with Penance on 2/3 minutes. Ni timers don't connect, and Ichi timers barely do.

It's not easy to keep 2-3 shadows up all the time when you're the one with current hate and the thing double attacks like no tomorrow. Slow II and SV Elegy only go so far.

The boss also appears to be the strongest one in pure strength, when you ignore their special moves.