Anubiis, Crimsontears, Kknar, Unstopable (Phoenix > Asura)

[Kaia]

I hate posting here... believe me it's the last thing I wanted to do, but it beats doing nothing at all. Let me say first off that I'm not sure if Unstop has done anything wrong, but I apparently can't change the thread title to not include him. These people aren't bank thieves or account jackers or anything, they just seemingly have no problem stabbing long-time friends in the back (decision on unstopable is pending... I'm not 100% sure he left yet).

I ran a very successful salvage linkshell on phoenix with these 3 and several other people for well over a year. Nearly 100 completed pieces, 7 full sets. I've known crim (who changed her name to Raenya I believe), anu, and unstop for many years and considered them to be some of my best friends, and I don't mean just in FFXI. Everyone got along really well with each other(well, with unstop kkn and crim at least...)

A few weeks ago our group hit a rough patch of low attendance and canceled runs. We came to a mutual decision to finish off the last 3 or 4 14/15 sets we had left, then call it quits and break the group up. Here's our attendance/armor spreadsheet to prove that I wasn't corrupt or anything - everyone was doing very well for themselves and didn't have much cause to be unhappy: Koneko Spreadsheet, and the forum URL is in my sig. I was a very laid back zone leader, was always fair, and happily passed a lot of drops to them which we never ended up getting again.

Anubiis: DRK WAR BLM RDM THF NIN. 10 salvage pieces completed
Crimsontears/Raeyna: Lots of 75s, 12 salvage pieces completed
Kknar: RDM BLM THF (BRD and MNK finished in the last few weeks), 9 pieces completed


Well, yesterday evening we were just gathering for salvage and none of them were online. It was very strange since their attendance is typically exemplary. Then I get a tell saying that crim and anu had server hopped... I thought it was a joke at first - didn't seem plausible at all. Turns out it wasn't a joke; they'd all jumped servers to join Preeminence, without so much as a goodbye, a reason for leaving, or a "hey, we're server hopping tomorrow".. nothing at all until after the fact. They all knew full well that leaving like this would destroy our linkshell, our friendship, and all the respect for them that our salvage and social linkshells had. Again I'm not 100% sure that unstopable left so that decision is pending.

Everybody is devastated, especially me since as far as I knew, we were all the best of friends... but they apparently didn't value any of their friends more than a pile of steaming dog shit. There's not much more I can say, really. I know this is probably falling on deaf ears, but people on Asura... just don't trust them. They all seem like great, friendly people, but will stab you in the back for apparently no reason at all.

I'm sure at some point they'll read this, so a quick message: I hope you're very happy on Asura and hope you find a group of people you enjoy hanging out with, because you're not welcome on Phoenix anymore. When you eventually screw over your new linkshell and server hop, don't even consider coming back here (a 2nd time). You'll find no hospitality - you've burned all your bridges. The thing that kills me the most is that if you'd just talked to your friends about it, said you were going to leave, or at least just stuck it out until that mutual end of the linkshell, nobody would have had any hard feelings at all. But instead you chose to take the path of douchebags and just vanish without so much as a heads-up... and now, here we are. You all know me and know that I'd have wished you all the best and wouldn't have been angry with this decision, but for some reason you just chose to stab me and the rest of your friends in the back. Fuck you all, and good bye.

[Therin]

Nevermind.

Sorry to hear that.

[Leylana]

Yes, Kknar jumped without telling us as well, he was complaining about his salvage group the other day. I'm very sorry for what happened to you, we were just as in the dark about it as you were.

[Brill Weave]

I'm not defending their actions, but they didn't steal anything did they? Did they rob the LS bank or anything like that? By your own admission you guys all agreed to break up the shell, they just made it happen more quickly. It was a douchebag move no doubt, especially since you guys were friends, but they didn't exactly destroy something that wasn't already being put to rest right?

I would be more pissed off about how three friends decided to uproot themselves without so much as a goodbye or a take care. Can't say I'm sorry about your shell since you guys were already going to break. But I am sorry that three of your friends pulled something like this without so much as a word about it.

[Sta]

This isn't 'player warning' worthy. If they where such good RL friends of yours, you would have messeged them via MSN, AIM, Text or a phone call to try and find out why they wanted to move so fast. Imo, it's more of a dick move to post a thread on BG about your old friends. BG is known to ruin a person's rep if shit is posted about them.
You should be the bigger man and say "GL, it's nice knowing you, but i think you're a dick for not saying goodbye and i'm dissapointed in you". Let's be honest that's all they done wrong, right? They came to Salvage for items, they got the shit they worked for/deserved, they moved servers without telling you.

I've gone home from a bar without saying bye to my mates before. Sure, it's a dick move, but we're still mates. My mates wouldn't start sending around text messages saying i'm a dick and i'm not welcome back to the bar with them.

Imo, these guys didn't see you as enough of a friend to say goodbye, perhaps they thought you would post a player warning on them if they told you?

[Kurai]

To me it seems warning worthy, if they can uproot without telling us they're leaving this time, it's not like they won't do it again to their next set of "friends".

Sure they're not obligated to do anything, but why the sudden dick move when everyone had been getting along (afaik)

The thing about your friends and the bar doesn't seem to match this situation as well, considering you'll see your friends again. I think this is more like moving to a different country without saying anything (and changing your name), as opposed to just not saying "bye"

[Chen]

they... server hopped, thats all the did, it's not a crime...

perhaps they should have asked OP's permission before?

they've screwed over no one, didn't steal, didn't break rules, --->BG?

[Katarzyna]

Sounds to me like they screwed a few people out of the final pieces the LS was going to upgrade.

Not saying it's worth a warning though. Just getting the facts straight for those confused.

[Drunknmunky]

I'm not defending their actions, but they didn't steal anything did they? Did they rob the LS bank or anything like that?

These people aren't bank thieves or account hackers or anything, they just seemingly have no problem stabbing long-time friends in the back.

This^

[Kaia]

This is the server to list any stolen account, player who stole gear and switched servers or whatever else someone can do that you feel the need to warn other servers about.

This falls into the bolded category. No they didn't steal anything or rip anyone off, but the fact they are willing to spit in the faces of 4-5 year friends just for a shot at some new gear speaks volumes about their character, which is what I'm trying to warn people about.

The thing about your friends and the bar doesn't seem to match this situation as well, considering you'll see your friends again. I think this is more like moving to a different country without saying anything (and changing your name, numbers, and destroying any way they can contact you), as opposed to just not saying "bye"

Fixed, and ^this

[Drunknmunky]

they... server hopped, thats all the did, it's not a crime...

perhaps they should have asked OP's permission before?

they've screwed over no one, didn't steal, didn't break rules, --->BG?

A few weeks ago, our group hit a rough patch of low attendance and canceled runs. We came to a mutual decision to finish off the last 3 or 4 14/15 sets we had left, then call it quits and break the group up.

Stop acting like a clown and learn how to read while you at it. If you read this statement, you will see that they came to a mutual agreement.

Regardless if you think a crime was not committed and for some reason you believe no one was screw over then you are an idiot people were screw over because an agreement was broken.

However, you need to understand that, a trust on these people is questionable now. It may not seem important to you but for a linkshell leader it is important that he/she can trust their members.

[Katarzyna]

I guess the OP is right. This does speak volumes about their character. They simply left before people had a chance to upgrade their final Salvage pieces with the LS. Who's to say they won't leave after being trusted with "LS property" like a Novio?

EDIT: Although, the OP's reaction in this post is rather harsh in comparison to his woe-as-me post here.

[Yubar]

Geez, I thought by now that people would have figured out that just like in real life. People are only a means to an end for everyone. Really, you think that person that says hi to you everyday really means it or when they smile at you it's genuine?

[jmc]

ya, anubiis and crimsontears have always been a awful pair in various linkshells I was in with them.

They never stole a bank/item..... but just general befriending attitude/back stabbing has been going on with those 2 for the 3+ years i've known them.

[Crimsontears]

This is Anubiis.

First off let me clear this up, I have no idea what Unstoppable has done so leave him alone.

Secondly, don't kid yourself I never considered you a friend nor should you have considered yourself my friend. Sure we were in a shell together and sure we were together a lot but to say you were my friend is funny. A friend is someone whom I respect as a person and whom comes to my aid when I'm in distress. When I had to miss a weekend run to take my Father to the ER and then the surgury that followed, what did you do? You bitched about how you had to cancel the runs and how attendence was starting to slip. Nevermind the fact that my Father was having surgury and needed someone to be with him. You thought I should be there attending your runs because that was important to you. Then the next weekend you cancel the runs because you had plans to go out. Seems pretty hypocritical to me IMO. I had missed like 6 runs in around 8 months. I think I had the highest attendance percentage but I could be wrong.

Everyone that I considered my friend knew how unhappy I was for a long time in your shell. If you didn't see it then you sure as hell can't call yourself my friend. My friends knew I was transferring. Hell, most of them are on my server now. I was ok in your shell because well salvage is fun and the gear is great. Plus, I won't deny it, the shell was very good. But, day after day, of listening to members talk trash about other members in the shell gets to you after awhile. I don't pretend like I'm innocent because I'm not, but I just couldn't deal with it anymore. If you considered us all friends then why did you talk so much trash about everyone? I mean basic venting is one thing but what comes out of your mouth about members is not just "blowing off steam". Don't pretend like your a good friend because you aren't.
So far as everyone being devistated I can understand that. I am sorry we server jumped without getting your OK but I didn't think I needed your permission. Ya we are dicks for jumping without letting you know ahead of time but we figured it was best to just get it done with instead of having you try to talk us out of it.

As far as you speaking for the entire server of Phoenix...WOW I missed that memo. I didn't know they appointed you Queen B. Hell, here I was under the impression that you were more unliked then I was. At least thats the impression I got when I talked to people.

On to Crimsontears trying to hide on a new server...try again. Her name was taken on the server so she had to change it. She didn't want to have her new name be something close to her old name due to delivery box mess ups.

Oh and lastly...on to our characters. Please look at the spreadsheet and see who had priorities on everything. We as a shell agreed to disband after people got their last item...well were the hell was I at in that discussion. I had priority on the majority of pieces. I put my time in that shell and what was I rewarded with....a long line. Well I waited until it was my turn and the shell decided to break before I got my gear that I earned... To me that speaks volumes about the rest of the members. I waited my turn while you all got your gear you wanted and once you got your gear the shell was ready to break. Hmmm funny how you didn't bother to mention that. Or mention that Crim got most of her gear in the first 80 runs yet still came to the next 50 or so with better attendence then you. Or how Kknar didn't get any items for a long time in there. So please call our character into question because once people start looking into it, I think they will see the other side of the story.

[Kaia]

This is Anubiis.

When I had to miss a weekend run to take my Father to the ER and then the surgury that followed, what did you do? You bitched about how you had to cancel the runs and how attendence was starting to slip.

Actually, all I asked you to do was help us get into the zone (and this was after the ER when he was staying with you), then go tend to your father. I've bent over backwards to accommodate everyone's needs, and saying anything to the contrary is just a flat-out lie.

But, day after day, of listening to members talk trash about other members in the shell gets to you after awhile.

The only 'venting' I ever did about fellow members was when they were signing up with other linkshells that clashed with our event times, which yes, is what led us to having shitty attendance the last few weeks, which is what you, crim, and kkn were all complaining about.

As far as you speaking for the entire server of Phoenix...WOW I missed that memo.

I'm more speaking on behalf of the people you know here. I know for a fact that you didn't know many people because before Koneko/Disconnect you guys were without linkshells and didn't know anybody, due to screwing over all your old friends by server hopping a few years ago then coming back.

We as a shell agreed to disband after people got their last item...well were the hell was I at in that discussion. I had priority on the majority of pieces. I put my time in that shell and what was I rewarded with....a long line. Well I waited until it was my turn and the shell decided to break before I got my gear that I earned... To me that speaks volumes about the rest of the members. I waited my turn while you all got your gear you wanted and once you got your gear the shell was ready to break.

I dunno where you were, but it's pretty much all we'd been talking about for the last 3 weeks. In reference to me getting all my gear... yeah, i got most of it. But you fail to mention that first I passed all my usu pieces to Acko, then I passed them all to Unstop. Then, I let crim lot marduk head because she played BRD in salvage more than I did. I passed ares body to you because you hadn't gotten anything in a while. I even changed the rules after you and crim were bitching and bitching about a new member having priority on something that wasn't on either of your wishlists. Don't even try to make it sound like I was being selfish. If I was a selfish person I'd have been done with salvage a year ago.

And yes, you were first in line for a lot of items. Maybe if you'd stuck with the shell like we'd agreed instead of vanishing like a douchebag, you'd be able to get them.

Or mention that Crim got most of her gear in the first 80 runs yet still came to the next 50 or so with better attendence then you.

Sorry apparently I'm really stupid. I thought 184 was a higher number than 132. And crim kept attending because she kept getting gear, complaining whenever we weren't doing runs that got her gear. Every week had to be bhaflau for her morg cuffs, and psycheflayer for her freelot morg head instead of bhoot for me/auv's listed ares head, and thanks to trying to keep everyone happy, I always gave in.

I'm sorry but you and everyone else in the group knows damn well that I've done everything in my power to keep everybody happy, to the point where I got a stomach ulcer from the stress of trying to make sure runs kept happening even with low attendance, everyone was treated fairly and we were hitting up NMs for everybody. You know goddamn well that we did tons of runs JUST to get you gear, I can't help the fact that they didn't drop as often as you'd like.

[Chen]

Stop acting like a clown and learn how to read while you at it. If you read this statement, you will see that they came to a mutual agreement.

so what? this post is basically about people quitting a salvage LS.

they had an agreement on the path of the shell, members wanted to quit.

they were members of a salvage shell for 1year+? and they wanted to leave instead of waiting months for specific 35's to drop. wasn't aware of any contracts that stopped people leaving ls's

[Kaia]

BTW, I believe it's confirmed now that Unstopable didn't leave with the rest of them.. just stopped logging on.

If a mod could erase his name from the thread title I'd be very grateful.

[Crimsontears]

Actually, all I asked you to do was help us get into the zone (and this was after the ER when he was staying with you), then go tend to your father. I've bent over backwards to accommodate everyone's needs, and saying anything to the contrary is just a flat-out lie.

Actually, NO. You threw a fit about how you were gonna have to cancel the run when I couldn't do thief in a zone where there are 2 major sac pulls. Well I am sorry but my Father > you.

The only 'venting' I ever did about fellow members was when they were signing up with other linkshells that clashed with our event times, which yes, is what led us to having shitty attendance the last few weeks, which is what you, crim, and kkn were all complaining about.

Hey if thats what gets you through the night then that's what does. At least I have the guts to admit when I talked trash.

I'm more speaking on behalf of the people you know here. I know for a fact that you didn't know many people because before Koneko/Disconnect you guys were without linkshells and didn't know anybody, due to screwing over all your old friends by server hopping a few years ago then coming back.

Were we without a social by choice or because we could not get into a shell? We had a limbus, dynamis, sky shell with a lot of friend in there. We were offered many pearls but since most people use their event shells as socials we felt awkward in there during events. So we looked for a real social. I did appreciate the "hard" work you put into getting us in your social.

I dunno where you were, but it's pretty much all we'd been talking about for the last 3 weeks. In reference to me getting all my gear... yeah, i got most of it. But you fail to mention that first I passed all my usu pieces to Acko, then I passed them all to Unstop. Then, I let crim lot marduk head because she played BRD in salvage more than I did. I passed ares body to you because you hadn't gotten anything in a while. I even changed the rules after you and crim were bitching and bitching about a new member having priority on something that wasn't on either of your wishlists. Don't even try to make it sound like I was being selfish. If I was a selfish person I'd have been done with salvage a year ago.

And again how is it my fault you were stupid enough to pass all your gear? I am sorry call me selfish but I don't think a new member should have priority on a piece of gear when there are 100 runs difference or even part time members. Sorry you thought it would be "ok" to reward your friend an item when they helped out for 10 runs over rewarding your core members who had been there 100+ runs. I never could understand how you could give your friend a 25 off a boss for free but when I asked you told me it would cost 1million gil. Hmmm...I guess I will never know.

And yes, you were first in line for a lot of items. Maybe if you'd stuck with the shell like we'd agreed instead of vanishing like a douchebag, you'd be able to get them.

Hmm stay and deal with your bs or leave and maybe enjoy my game again. I never agreed to stay in the shell. Hell when your little clique made the decision to break after we finished the 14/15 sets I was not asked. I would have thrown a fit and likely left the shell that day. I'm sorry but watching everyone get gear while I am waiting my turn is not fun. Sure I got some gear but half of it was freelot. Then come to find out the shell is suddenly gonna break after we get 3~4 more 35s. Wow so everyone wants to quit after they got their gear...how douchebaggery is that. You got your last 2 usukane items and suddenly we are breaking in a month once we finish a few more items. It seems you neglected that part too.
I knew for a long time maybe 3~4 months that I was not gonna get my gear because I knew what kind of person you were. I stuck it out because there was a small chance I would get a drop when you picked a zone that benefitted you the most. When you decided to break the shell in a month I knew there was little chance of finishing the sets I had rightfully earned.

Sorry apparently I'm really stupid. I thought 184 was a higher number than 132. And crim kept attending because she kept getting gear, complaining whenever we weren't doing runs that got her gear. Every week had to be bhaflau for her morg cuffs, and psycheflayer for her freelot morg head instead of bhoot for me/auv's listed ares head, and thanks to trying to keep everyone happy, I always gave in.

I'm sorry if she thought it was only fair that we would do a zone that would benefit someone other then the 3 "core" members. Doing a bhaflau not only benefited her but me also, as I was one of the people that needed to finish my 14/15 set. Yet you were content on spamming SSR 3x a week and doing another zone that benefitted 1 person.

I'm sorry but you and everyone else in the group knows damn well that I've done everything in my power to keep everybody happy, to the point where I got a stomach ulcer from the stress of trying to make sure runs kept happening even with low attendance, everyone was treated fairly and we were hitting up NMs for everybody. You know goddamn well that we did tons of runs JUST to get you gear, I can't help the fact that they didn't drop as often as you'd like.

I am sorry but I don't agree. But thats your opinion and this is mine. I don't see the need to argue over someone's opinion because we both know neither of us will see it any different after each other's "facts".

I fully imagine you are wanting to continue making this a huge issue and to try to ruin our reputations. Well good for you, I'm happy for you. Personally I find it amusing and will sleep like a baby tonight. Can you say the same?

[Kaia]

If making up 'facts' is how you approach an argument then I'm not even going to bother. Have fun with your new RMT linkshell.