Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[Mojo]

They don't have the same damage formula.

Wildfire

FLOOR(
	FLOOR(
		FLOOR(
			FLOOR(
				FLOOR(
					FLOOR(
						FLOOR(
							FLOOR(
								FLOOR(
									FLOOR(
										FLOOR(0.6 * cAGI)
									* 0.85)
								*fTP)
							+ 2.0 * (cAGI-tINT))
						* S)
					* A)
				* R)
			* W)
		* cMAB/tMDB)
	* tMDT)
* D)

Cloudsplitter

FLOOR(
	FLOOR(
		FLOOR(
			FLOOR(
				FLOOR(
					FLOOR(
						FLOOR(
							FLOOR(
								FLOOR(0.4 * cSTR + 0.4 * cMND)
							* 0.85)
						*fTP)
					* A)
				* R)
			* W)
		*cMAB/tMDB)
	*tMDT)
* D)

cSTR/cMND/cAGI/cMAB => Character Attributes & Magic Attack Bonus
tINT/tMDB => Target INT & Magic Defense Bonus
S => Staff bonus (1.10 for Fire Staff, 1.15 for Vulcan's)
A => Affinity Bonus (Magian Staves & Atma)
R => Resist
W => Weather/Day Bonus
tMDT => Target magic damage taken adjustment
D => Weaponskill damage adjustment

For Wildfire, cAGI-tINT may cap at some value (could also have some inflection point.) I've seen stuff on Studio Gobli that loosely implies that this caps at 638, can't be certain though.

Trascendancy adds 900 MAB and puts character attributes at 999. If you're talking about optimal situation then you should add 0.2 to fTP numbers from elemental belt/gorget. I'm going to disregard MAB gear since its effectiveness is essentially 1/10th of normal and I don't really know what kind of MAB gear is available for COR/WAR/BST (can easily recompute if someone wants to figure it out.)

Wildfire Atma => Atma of the Smoldering Sky/Atma of the Lone Wolf/Atma of the Burning Effigy (or maybe Griphon's Claw, but probably not)
Cloudsplitter Atma => Atma of the Lion/Atma of the Blinding Horn/Atma of the Smiting Blow

I've heard conflicting reports on the potency bonuses granted by those atma (since it seems that major can be either 30% or 40%) and I haven't really read anything about Burning Effigy, but Griphon's Claw is 20% so I'll go by that. Going to assume 30% potency for all atma. R/W/tMDT = 1.

Weaponskill	TP100	TP200	TP300
Cloudsplitter	42910	56480	67340
Wildfire	92208	92208	92208

Numbers could be different due to actual atma values and perhaps a lower cAGI-tINT cap, but it looks like Wildfire probably wins either way.

[NynJa]

Trascendancy adds 900 MAB and puts character attributes at 999.

Like I asked earlier, were there any further tests on this? I was confused how a mnk's Brewed Cata's were doing a lot more than that of a blm, who can shit a shitton more MAB, both via gear as well as innately. The atmas werent similar, as I had just made public notice to griffon claw, but I believe they weren't using any MAB atmas.

I've still been meaning to test that myself.

[Atoreis]

I think Wildfire should still pull ahead since cor can do that augmented Fire Shot, to up wildfire damage, as well as atma sets:
Atma of the Smoldering Sky Smok Attack+: Minor Magic critical hit rate +: Major Fire elemental attack +: Major
Atma of the Burning Effigy Brulo STR+: Minor Fire-based weapon skill damage+: Major Gain full benefit of Firesday/fire weather bonuses
Atma of the Lone Wolf Amarok Attack+: Minor Fire elemental attack +: Major

vs

Atma of the Lion Hadhayosh "Triple Attack"+: Major Physical damage taken -: Minor Lightning elemental attack +: Majo
Atma of the Blinding Horn Karkadann "Conserve MP"+: Minor Lightning elemental attack +: Major Magic damage taken -: Minor
Atma of the Smiting Blow Ironclad Smiter TP Bonus+: Superior (2H weapon equipped) WS accuracy+: Superior

has it been determined if brew caps out MAB? I remember bringing it up when brewed mnk cata's were surpassing blm cata's.

Though, doesnt the fact that CS has two ws mods vs wildfire's one help up its potential brew dmg?

Wildfire:
fTP: 5.5+0.2(belt+gorget)+0.2(?Efiggy atma?) 5.9
+%: 80% atmas, 20% fire shot
WSC: 60%
other: ranged

Cloudsplitter:
fTP: 3.75->5(smitingblow)->5.5(?fancer?)->5.7(belt+gorget) + a little more from TP left from WS and possible hits between.
+%: 80% atmas
WSC: 40%+40%
other: possible to charge first WS with Max Restraint (~+22%) and possible to charge every next with 2-8% (depends of how many rounds and DA will happen between 2 tics of brew regain)

Hard to guess...

[Atoreis]

@mojo
1.How you figured that Cloudsplitter has no cSomething-tINT also? Is there any test?
2.Effigy is some lol +0.X fTP and cant be replaced in math by +20% from griffon claw which in 99% wont work with gun WS.

@NynJa
There was a very clean test of that on BG, but I'm to lazy to search it now.

EDIT: I switched lazy off Starting by Xera from #5850

[Tahona]

potentially dumb question but musing...

with rudras and hi would it be possible to

evis > rudras (dark) > hi (2x dark) > wing - rudras (3x dark) - wing - hi (4x) etc?

[Soho]

Has anyone tried to Brew with Primal Rend?

Seems like it would be pretty solid just because you can use Holy Mountain/Beyond/Ultimate.

*Edit- Or possibly Sellsword in place of Ultimate if we think MAB isn't that great under Brew?

[Atoreis]

When you make SC4 (2x darkness or light) its over.

[Shenrien]

You can only do double SC4, can't stack it in an infinite loop.

[Tahona]

Thanks, that's what i thought but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. To follow up, for shits and giggles another question.

what would be a way to reach the six ws 225% dmg SC ending in Hi with - war dnc nin

[Atoreis]

Has anyone tried to Brew with Primal Rend?

Seems like it would be pretty solid just because you can use Holy Mountain/Beyond/Ultimate.

There is a debate going on how mab from atmas is calculated after +900 from brew and probably smiting would be better then ultimate with fencer pushing it to ~250+tp. Anyway it is only 30%CHR so even with high fTP(about 4.7) it should be worse then Herculean,Aeolian,Cata,Cloud,Wildfire

[nivlakian]

Has anyone tried to Brew with Primal Rend?

I've seen 15k-ish primal rends to Azdaja with Brew although I'm not sure what atmas/gear in particular were used, if that helps.

[Atoreis]

Teki -> Raging Rush -> Keen Edge -> Evisceration -> Phyrric Kleos -> Hi -> Hi should work

[NynJa]

You could always loop through lv1 or 2 chains since I dont think they ever really cap out?

Need more intel though, I'm presuming dnc is on daggers, nin obv on katana with Hi, what weapon war using? Since none of those jobs can close out fusion to cycle the lvl 3 chain area, you'd have to cycle thru lv1 WS's...

Raging Rush > Jin (Impaction) > DE (Deto) > Keen (Gravi) > Kleos (Dark) > Hi (Dark2)

Raging Rush > Jin (Impaction) > DE (Deto) > Keen (Gravi) > Kamu (Frag) > SC (Disto) > Evis (Dark) > Hi (Dark2)

[Tahona]

haha thanks guys just thought it may be something interesting to do /bored

[Atoreis]

Sorry wrong thread ; ;

To not taking space w/o reason I will ask about Azdaja brew. I plan to brew some to speed up process (I can kill it w/o brew but then I will have no TH from THF).

Is Aeolian works well on it? Good enough to kill 3 Azdaja on one brew?

[Xera]

1.How you figured that Cloudsplitter has no cSomething-tINT also? Is there any test?

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/907...=1#post4362947

[Martel]

Aeolian works fine on Azdaja. Getting 3 kills in shouldn't be an issue assuming you don't get terror/amnesia fucked. I wouldn't try for a fourth though. Usually did about 10~12K per ws. Gales, Smiting Blow, Ultimate. Make sure you have someone watching you for en-petrify/sleep/doom etc. We never lost a brew to doom, but we had a close call cause of Cyclone wing.

[Arthars]

anyone know which files in the sounds folder inside ffxi directory is the bgm for shinryu fight?

[Mojo]

Like I asked earlier, were there any further tests on this? I was confused how a mnk's Brewed Cata's were doing a lot more than that of a blm, who can shit a shitton more MAB, both via gear as well as innately. The atmas werent similar, as I had just made public notice to griffon claw, but I believe they weren't using any MAB atmas.

I've still been meaning to test that myself.

It's been posted here as well as on Studio Gobli, so I'm sure it's accurate. Also I have no idea why that would even make you question it. If anything, it should confirm it. Starting at +900 MAB essentially reduces the gains from additional MAB to 1/10th of normal thus potency atma would make a much larger relative difference (and you stated that their atma were different.)

[notsblarg]

I had ordered a FFXI Collection off Steam, which supposedly came with the 4 original expansion plus the 3 Crystalline Prophecies, but whenever I had checked the optional services tab it only showed me as owning up to WoTG, and have to pay 30 to activated the 3 mid expansions.

I think it might be doing this because it was an existing PoL account that I had stopped playing after WoTG. I could never find out how or what I needed to do to activate them, Steam didn't send me any codes or anything, just the new CD key.

Anyone else had this problem? I fear that if I have to call up customer support they are going to bounce me back and forth between Valve and SE and frustrate me endlessly.