Random Question Thread XIX: Welcome to Flavor Country

[Atoreis]

Uhh....
Main hand Kannagi
Off hand Mercurial Kris

Practicality aside, I'm pretty sure that set will allow you to use Blade:Hi, and is that so astounding as far as equipping a low damage offhand goes?

I wasn't asking about what you can do in game. I was questioning your logic about base dmg weapon being calculated for off hand hits in WS would be something strange. It's as strange as dual wielding club in Katana WS or 6 hits during single hit animation

[NynJa]

I wasn't asking about what you can do in game. I was questioning your logic about base dmg weapon being calculated for off hand hits in WS would be something strange. It's as strange as dual wielding club in Katana WS or 6 hits during single hit animation

I still think you're really lost...

you're saying offhand weapon wont matter as far as WS goes when dual wielding

You need to also remember that dmg on dual wielded weapon have no impact on your WS.

But when I said:

We know the offhand hit procs on a WS, why should it not be factored in? Are you saying you could offhand a MK to a Kannagi and when you Hi, your offhand hit will be from Kannagi?

you went off about how I'm trying to use Hi with a katana that doesnt let you do Hi, let alone doing Hi with a dagger.

If you would want to be logical then tell me how you can even dual wield in WS with katana that can't do :hi on it's own or even better a dagger.

somehow implying that I meant mainhanding a Mercurial Kris...?


So, once again, you're saying that Blade:Hi damage will be similar in the following two weapon scenarios:
Main: Kannagi
Sub: Kamome
-vs-
Main: Kannagi
Sub: Mercurial Kris
on the basis that "dmg on dual wielded weapon have no impact on your WS" (factoring in the crit bonus on Kamome)?

[kamugi]

Since there is no 190/55 and 227/65 dmg katanas your problem is solved :D

But there might at 95/99!


EDIT:
Also: when dual wielding, all hits of the WS are done with the main hand, except the extra hit that dual wielding adds, it is done with the off hand weapon. (and any DA/TA procs from that offhand hit are done with offhand weapon too)

Is that what people are wondering?

[Psychoboy]

mojo , ur post this morning about wildfire and cloudsplitters +2 numbers ... are the numbers for each respective WS reversed?

[Atoreis]

I'm not lost it's just my poor english skill can't handle my thoughts.

1. I said Kannagi base dmg will be factored in for ALL hits in of WS including the ones added from dual wielding.
2. You questioned it by its being illogical that hits done in theory by subbed weapon has dmg of main weapon.
3. I was trying to say following your way of thinking its also illogical that you can use club, dagger or w/e else to do dual wielded hits on katana only WS, yet its possible in game so logic has sometimes no use in game mechanic. (I wanted to say that if you can use club to to dual wield in katana WS there is also a chance that theory of actual hitting your sub weapon in dual wielded WS can be false)
4. Because of my poor english you tho I'm trying to say its impossible to actually sub dagger and do :hi, when I only was trying to say it illogical.
5. I hope this time its more clear.

[Atoreis]

mojo , ur post this morning about wildfire and cloudsplitters +2 numbers ... are the numbers for each respective WS reversed?

Yes they are. Best evidence of that is Wildfire has static damage and Cloudsplitter varies so yes they are reversed.

EDIT: I think he still use Griffon's Claw for Wildfire tho, and I'm 99% sure it won't work for ranged WS even if you have staff equipped.

[Atoreis]

But there might at 95/99!


EDIT:
Also: when dual wielding, all hits of the WS are done with the main hand, except the extra hit that dual wielding adds, it is done with the off hand weapon. (and any DA/TA procs from that offhand hit are done with offhand weapon too)

Is that what people are wondering?

We are wondering about which base dmg is factored in math behind additional hits from dual wield, main or sub.
What is worth to add if there is really sub hand weapon base dmg factored in then all calculation done in past few months for avg and max dmg for dual wielded WS like :Hi, Rudra, Eviscreation, etc. are in bigger or smaller part a trash

[Beave]

This is indeed a random question: What's the best job to solo in WoE given these choices (RDM BLM SMN BRD PLD THF SAM DRK) - applicable subs are leveled. Also, what's the easiest set of mobs to go with? Search function is failing me with this question.

[Atoreis]

This is indeed a random question: What's the best job to solo in WoE given these choices (RDM BLM SMN BRD PLD THF SAM DRK) - applicable subs are leveled. Also, what's the easiest set of mobs to go with? Search function is failing me with this question.

THF/dnc? or thf/nin if blood bolts work or with a lot Hi-potions.

Probably crabs.

EDIT: My friend said he saw a huge upgrade in coin drop rate when he started to use THF as main DD/tank in his trio. He said he was able to stick TH11 even.

[Langly]

So, once again, you're saying that Blade:Hi damage will be similar in the following two weapon scenarios:
Main: Kannagi
Sub: Kamome
-vs-
Main: Kannagi
Sub: Mercurial Kris
on the basis that "dmg on dual wielded weapon have no impact on your WS" (factoring in the crit bonus on Kamome)?

Uhh, I was under the impression your offhand wouldn't even fire during WS if you're using a weapon not of the same 'type' as your mainhand.

[Atoreis]

Uhh, I was under the impression your offhand wouldn't even fire during WS if you're using a weapon not of the same 'type' as your mainhand.

XD That's not true ^^. My friend even did 7k+ :hi on Dvalinn with QA+TA (or QA+QA I forgot) offhanding twilight dagger :D

[barber2006]

Random question: What are the requirements for posting in the new 'mathy parts' section of the forums? There are a couple items I want to ask about and one that I want to ask the best method for testing.

[Byrthnoth]

You can just ask it here if you want. I'm not sure what the requirements are for posting there really.

I think we're just trying to get a set of testing super-stickies.

[jurjur]

You gotta remember Ruke did his testing back when crit PDIF capped at 3.0 so the bonus was easy to see. To test something like that now, you would need to use a Ranged WS to tell for sure. Yoichi comes to mind since it's Lv2 Distortion and Lv3 light?

I hate giving out bad information but I lent m.silvers for Rambus on Bismarck to finish his Yoichi and i think he said that light gorget consistently did more damage than no gorget or something like that. I can't confirm this since Rambus was just a friend of a friend and I don't really talk to him. Don't quote me though =\

Also, thanks Appie for the link.

[Kirschy]

I will make a test for both:
1. Light gorget dmg working or not with Victory smite (Shouldnt be that hard Kirshy. Its a static 2.25 fTP so it on sample of 10-15 it should be easily viewable if damage with gorget exceed max damage w/o gorget. +4.75% its not that low)

EDIT: Btw I'm pretty surprised that there is no info on elemental obis that they give MDB or MDT (I forgot which ; ; ) on spells that are weak to day in which they are cast (IE: Can use water obi in water day to cut dmg from fire III).

I think it'll be difficult to get an exact answer. Have someone /w Yoichi test works best for me!

Also, obscure testing, but there has been obi tests for magic!

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/812...ed-defensively

[Kirschy]

Yes they are. Best evidence of that is Wildfire has static damage and Cloudsplitter varies so yes they are reversed.

EDIT: I think he still use Griffon's Claw for Wildfire tho, and I'm 99% sure it won't work for ranged WS even if you have staff equipped.

I don't think I've ever posted any tests, but GC does help ranged attacks as long as you use a staff

[Bling]

I will test light gorget with namas tomorrow. I've been using it the entire time I've owned yoichi because I read on wiki it works so IT HAS TO BE TRUE.

Also, has anyone tested crushing cudgel atma for the dmg%+?

EDIT:

Actually I think I did this already on accident, when I was messing around with 90 yoichi namas boost I used light gorget/belt. There was the normal fTP boost with it.

[barber2006]

You can just ask it here if you want. I'm not sure what the requirements are for posting there really.

I think we're just trying to get a set of testing super-stickies.

I don't have the option of posting there. Says I'm not authorized. The only time something like that has ever happened was on like a 3 year anniversary of the only minor infraction I ever had and I couldn't post in one section for some reason. Was kind of y2kish. Oh well, I'm probably too lazy to do whatever would be recommended to test this anyways.

[Kirschy]

I will test light gorget with namas tomorrow. I've been using it the entire time I've owned yoichi because I read on wiki it works so IT HAS TO BE TRUE.

Also, has anyone tested crushing cudgel atma for the dmg%+?

EDIT:

Actually I think I did this already on accident, when I was messing around with 90 yoichi namas boost I used light gorget/belt. There was the normal fTP boost with it.

Yea if that was Light Gorget/Belt, then that means the elemental gorget/belt work on the Lv3 Skillchain properties of Relic. (And most probably Empyreans too.) At least that explains why Light/Shadow gorget require 2 organs!

[Atoreis]

Yea if that was Light Gorget/Belt, then that means the elemental gorget/belt work on the Lv3 Skillchain properties of Relic. (And most probably Empyreans too.) At least that explains why Light/Shadow gorget require 2 organs!

That actually might also means inventory+1-2 for me since I have like 5 gorgets.