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    Strippers beware! Arrested individuals may be taking your career.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/us...ense.html?_r=1

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband.

    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, joined by the court’s conservative wing, wrote that courts are in no position to second-guess the judgments of correctional officials who must consider not only the possibility of smuggled weapons and drugs, but also public health and information about gang affiliations.

    “Every detainee who will be admitted to the general population may be required to undergo a close visual inspection while undressed,” Justice Kennedy wrote, adding that about 13 million people are admitted each year to the nation’s jails.

    The procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. According to a supporting brief filed by the American Bar Association, international human rights treaties also ban the procedures.

    The federal appeals courts had been split on the question, though most of them prohibited strip-searches unless they were based on a reasonable suspicion that contraband was present. The Supreme Court did not say that strip-searches of every new arrestee were required; it ruled, rather, that the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of unreasonable searches did not forbid them.

    Daron Hall, the president of the American Correctional Association and sheriff of Davidson County, Tenn., said the association welcomed the flexibility offered by the decision. The association’s current standards discourage blanket strip-search policies.

    Monday’s sharply divided decision came from a court whose ideological differences are under intense scrutiny after last week’s arguments on President Obama’s health care law. The ruling came less than two weeks after a pair of major 5-to-4 decisions on the right to counsel in plea negotiations, though there Justice Kennedy had joined the court’s liberal wing. The majority and dissenting opinions on Monday agreed that the search procedures the decision allowed — close visual inspection by a guard while naked — were more intrusive than being observed while showering, but did not involve bodily contact.

    Justice Stephen G. Breyer, writing for the four dissenters, said the strip-searches the majority allowed were “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy” and should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

    Justice Breyer said that the Fourth Amendment should be understood to bar strip-searches of people arrested for minor offenses not involving drugs or violence, unless officials had a reasonable suspicion that they were carrying contraband.

    Monday’s decision endorsed a recent trend, from appeals courts in Atlanta, San Francisco and Philadelphia, allowing strip-searches of everyone admitted to a jail’s general population. At least seven other appeals courts, on the other hand, had ruled that such searches were proper only if there was a reasonable suspicion that the arrested person had contraband.

    According to opinions in the lower courts, people may be strip-searched after arrests for violating a leash law, driving without a license and failing to pay child support. Citing examples from briefs submitted to the Supreme Court, Justice Breyer wrote that people have been subjected to “the humiliation of a visual strip-search” after being arrested for driving with a noisy muffler, failing to use a turn signal and riding a bicycle without an audible bell.

    A nun was strip-searched, he wrote, after an arrest for trespassing during an antiwar demonstration.

    Justice Kennedy responded that “people detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals.” He noted that Timothy McVeigh, later put to death for his role in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was first arrested for driving without a license plate. “One of the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93,” Justice Kennedy added.

    The case decided Monday, Florence v. County of Burlington, No. 10-945, arose from the arrest of Albert W. Florence in New Jersey in 2005. Mr. Florence was in the passenger seat of his BMW when a state trooper pulled his wife, April, over for speeding. A records search revealed an outstanding warrant for Mr. Florence’s arrest based on an unpaid fine. (The information was wrong; the fine had been paid.)

    Mr. Florence was held for a week in jails in Burlington and Essex Counties, and he was strip-searched in each. There is some dispute about the details, but general agreement that he was made to stand naked in front of a guard who required him to move intimate parts of his body. The guards did not touch him.

    “Turn around,” Mr. Florence, in an interview last year, recalled being told by jail officials. “Squat and cough. Spread your cheeks.”

    “I consider myself a man’s man,” said Mr. Florence, a finance executive for a car dealership. “Six-three. Big guy. It was humiliating. It made me feel less than a man.”

    Justice Kennedy said the most relevant precedent was Bell v. Wolfish, which was decided by a 5-to-4 vote in 1979. It allowed strip-searches of people held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York after “contact visits” with outsiders.

    As in the Bell case, Justice Kennedy wrote, the “undoubted security imperatives involved in jail supervision override the assertion that some detainees must be exempt from the more invasive search procedures at issue absent reasonable suspicion of a concealed weapon or other contraband.”

    The majority and dissenting opinions drew differing conclusions from the available information about the amount of contraband introduced into jails and how much strip-searches add to pat-downs and metal detectors.

    Justice Kennedy said one person arrested for disorderly conduct in Washington State “managed to hide a lighter, tobacco, tattoo needles and other prohibited items in his rectal cavity.” Officials in San Francisco, he added, “have discovered contraband hidden in body cavities of people arrested for trespassing, public nuisance and shoplifting.”

    Justice Breyer wrote that there was very little empirical support for the idea that strip-searches detect contraband that would not have been found had jail officials used less intrusive means, particularly if strip-searches were allowed when officials had a reasonable suspicion that they would find something.

    For instance, in a study of 23,000 people admitted to a correctional facility in Orange County, N.Y., using that standard, there was at most one instance of contraband detected that would not otherwise have been found, Judge Breyer wrote.

    Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined Justice Breyer’s dissent.

    Justice Kennedy said that strict policies deter people entering jails from even trying to smuggle contraband.

    Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel A. Alito Jr. joined all of Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion, and Justice Clarence Thomas joined most of it.

    In a concurrence, Chief Justice Roberts, quoting from an earlier decision, said that exceptions to Monday’s ruling were still possible “to ensure that we ‘not embarrass the future.’ ”

    Justice Alito wrote that different rules might apply for people arrested but not held with the general population or whose detentions had “not been reviewed by a judicial officer.”
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    Lol, slow descent into police state.

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    Wait, what? This wasn't already standard procedure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey View Post
    Wait, what? This wasn't already standard procedure?
    Surprised myself, figured this would be more along the lines of common sense actually.

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    Fuck, i could have been making some money smuggling drugs into jails. I wish i knew they didn't even bother doing a real search.

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    If a cop wants to gaze longingly into my asshole that much, all he had to do was ask, baby~. <3

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    The lord and the law are on my side now. afk masturbating in front of the pigs.

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    Seriously? Are they seriously trying to claim that strip searches for speeding tickets will stop terrorism when the terrorist isn't doing anything terror related at the moment?

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    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...xrs=share_copy

    Watch this and part 2. Guy was on last night and discusses SCOTUS and this vote in part 2.

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    They strip searched a nun. That's hot.

    You know fucking cops will abuse this, hell they already do.

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    Correctional Officers do the searching when people are brought into those facilities, not cops. But continue... cops are bad, abuse their powers, etc etc.

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    Don't pretend the police live by the same rules we live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    Don't pretend the police live by the same rules we live by.
    Obviously. Police can do all sorts of things citizens can't. Carry guns, arrest people, take people's stuff, etc. What are you getting at? And what does this have to do with the thread?

    This is the bottom line: All the searching that is taking place that the article addresses is taking place after arrest and while they are in a correctional facility. The police have nothing to do with it. Police aren't grabbing people on the street forcing them to undress or drop squat and cough right in front of their neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sera View Post
    Lol, slow descent into police state.
    We've been there for a long time.

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    That nun was strip searched after being arrested for trespassing at a demonstration. If a fellow officer was in her shoes, they wouldn't have been searched. We all know this man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    That nun was strip searched after being arrested for trespassing at a demonstration. If a fellow officer was in her shoes, they wouldn't have been searched. We all know this man.
    Well, excusing the fact that we don't "all know this", especially since correctional officers will lose their jobs if someone gets into that facility with a weapon (I have to take all weapons off me before I go into a correctional facility, and I get searched every time I go in)...a correctional officer is still about as much a police officer as a receptionist at a doctors office is a doctor. So aside from being wrong, your rage at police abusing this somehow is also misplaced.

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    It's okay guys. Correctional officers will be the one searching you, not cops. Cops are good people. This law won't be abused at all and is completely necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headspace View Post
    It's okay guys. Correctional officers will be the one searching you, not cops. Cops are good people. This law won't be abused at all and is completely necessary.
    Right, because I claimed in every post that strip searching people for traffic arrests is 100% necessary. Ohwait...

    You're obviously missing my point. Some people in this thread are reading an article about one thing, then fuming about another. It'd be like me reading an article about McDonalds raising their prices, then saying "FUCKING BURGER KING GREEDY BASTARDS"

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    I did use the case that involved Mr Florence because we all know cops don't get warrents for unpaid fines.

    I was once handcuffed after getting in an accident because I had a warrent in a county I've never been in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    I did use the case that involved Mr Florence because we all know cops don't get warrents for unpaid fines.

    I was once handcuffed after getting in an accident because I had a warrent in a county I've never been in.
    You didn't bring up Mr. Florence at all...unless you were the one who wrote the article. And stop saying 'we all know' because we don't. Warrants for unpaid fines are issued by the courts, not cops. Parking tickets are often given by parking enforcement, not just cops. And I'm sure every police officer knows another officer who doesn't give other cops a break for traffic violations. (And that's not a privilege held exclusively by cops. Any cop can give anyone a break when it comes to traffic, that's called discretion).

    Lastly, what happened after they realized if you want wanted? did they take you in anyway and strip search you? if not, what are you upset about? should officers not take the proper precautions when the dispatcher or computer says that someone's wanted?

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