m. kris question

[Cozmo]

im 75 thf and have been for a while

ive always wanted to just try out the m. kris for fun or what ever now i have to gil to try it out and was wondering is it worth 3mil and can it be used efficently in merit parties i know the dmg is 8 i have a decent to biuld for haste/acc i just dont want to be hitting for way to low like 0-8 or whatever i dont have capped merits but i feel that my dmg is very good for the gear that i have and was wondering would it be worth it to use one for more WS's

gear for tp only is
walmart
chiv chain
coral earringX2
rap. harness
dusk hands
snipers
am. mantle+1
life belt - working on swift but been really busy lately
dusk pants
dusk feet
blau dolch main hand and atm misc. off hand
use xbow and acids like most thf but can get a bomb core or fire bomlet but i keep xbow incase we dont get brd so i can pull

now like i said i do good dmg i think, and get tp pretty fast already and when fighting birds i have to watch it or im eatting more food then the guy that won the hotdog eatting contest that just happened

normally if no brd i use sole sushi
have brd i use rice dump. or sushi if we getting minuet which happens alot

i have a couple dgr merits working on capping soon and when i do i should beable to use meat like dumpling or other things

so should i save the 3mil or can it work for merits and not make me look like a thf wielding a bronze dgr >.>

now i usally go to bird camp but i think imps r even more squishy lol so it should be the same on either one but if i go to mamool i doubt it would be useful so this if for bird and sqiushies like flies and imps

[Slott]

Jesus christ that was the worst run on sentence I've ever seen. Mercurial kris sucks. It's good at lvl 50. The end.

[Cozmo]

wow um no one said we had to be an english major to post here im at work and posting fast not paying attn. to the puncuation if u dont like it dont read and post back its in the noob forum for a reason thanks for nothing i could have posted it in a wall of text atleast i hit the enter button to give it some lines relax and have an exlax

[riddaraan]

How is it that you've got all this really great stuff that you can buy with gil, but only a Rapparee Harness to show for your playtime? Smells fishy-wishy to me. In any case, for an answer, MK was a fun ass weapon. I didn't hardly ever hit for 0 during exp PT's, especially after I got my dagger merits up.

However, the thing that it does do is generate tons and tons of TP, much like KC. Because of this, you tend to kill your tanks a lot. And by a lot, I mean, at least twice a PT.

Sometimes that can be fun. Sometimes it's just a pain in the ass.

I sold mine, & got a PCC. Then I sold that & got a Love Torque.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

on a somewhat separated yet quite connected note (since I had nothing to add concerning the Merc. Kris subject cause I've never owned one):

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Broiled_Pipira

These (well, the NQ version which gives just 1 less point of Dexterity) are very cheap, about 800 gil each at NPC and if you have fishing above 20 and high enough cooking you could easily make them yourself: with 100+3 cooking the HQ rate is something ridicolous, like 80% or so (well I'm eyeballing numbers here, it's very, very high tho).

If your job/gear set-up somehow relies on DEX for whatever reason (besides, Dexterity is very helpful on those birds if you're trying to increase your Crits hit rate considering they have the Agility of a drunk Slowpoke) or you're looking for a cheap Atk. food alternative to the classic Kebabi/Kabobs (you'd lose the STR but you'd gain 3-4 DEX and 15-25 Atk and doesn't look like you're spamming Mercy Stroke either, so) for Colibrì parties, try them out, I'm pretty sure they'd be way better than Rice Dumplings, just make sure to get at least 1 Madrigal.

With 278 skill on both weapons and about uhm...50ish Accuracy (including the one coming from DEX), Madrigal brings me to circa 92-93% Acc (on Colibri' eh), so you should be fine with the gear you've listed if you add Bomblet (and perhaps you could also use that relatively small boost you'd retain switching out Chiv Chain for PCC).

Ok, it wasn't really on-topic, oh well lol.

[Zylo]

Hey thf, are you on Ifrit by any chance?

[draxyl]

kris is pretty pimp for ninja in 60 cap ballista tho.

[Zylo]

kris is pretty pimp for ninja in 60 cap ballista tho.

I hate that shit >_> (being a NIN that doesn't have one, heh).

[Septimus]

Never fear! Mr. Period will help us!

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[Loren]

I've partied with two M.Kris THF recently, both of them did less than half of my total damage. There were more differences between us than weapons of course, but it goes to show that the weapon alone won't polevault you into greatness.

Averaging 2 swings at a time, the DPS on M.Kris is similar to a Lv34 Federation Kukri. In a typical Lv75 situation, regular swings account for 35-40% of my damage (~15% SA, ~15% TA, ~35% WS) so I wouldn't be too keen on sacrificing that portion of my damage. WS damage will go down slightly, about ~20-30 points compared to an offhand like Misericorde.

So, you're banking on WS frequency. There's some disagreement about whether or not your Double and Triple traits (from jobs or gear) can activate on the 1-swing rounds of an "Occasionally attacks..." weapon. If indeed they don't, then the Kris is adding about +28% Double Attack and +23% Triple Attack rate to your offhand swings, which comes out to an equivalent of about +14% Double Attack and +11-12% Triple Attack in terms of TP gain. That's a significant amount but whether or not it's worth the sacrifices to DoT, WS damage, and mob TP are difficult to judge.

There's also the matter of the opportunity cost to your gil. 3 mil could probably get you a Peacock Charm, or a handful of misc. HQ accessories--Fire Bomblet, Thunder and Breeze rings, etc. If you're sitting on the gil, then you can always take Kris for a spin and sell it if you don't like it. Just be careful about how you measure your overall damage--offhand hits of 50+ with a different dagger add up to a lot.

i have a couple dgr merits working on capping soon and when i do i should beable to use meat like dumpling or other things

Rice dumplings are not a Lv75 food... you want Coeurl Sub, Bison Steak, or Hedgehog Pie for Attack.

[Cozmo]

if my gear sounds fishy what ever, i said TP only no WS gears obviously this is a semi as good as i can get atm haste setup i dont have all the time for sea so no homam atm or swift from sac. atm i only can merit and do einherjar plus i was afk for about 3 months and i came back for einherjar and capping merits only atm... i wasnt planning on getting a m. kris but that opportunity arose so i thought about it..

the reason about the dumpling was acc. with no capped merits and this haste setup i thought maybe i didnt have enough acc. so i thought dumplings..

i never said omg im uber look at my gear i said i think i am decent i play on ps2 so no parser or i would check how i am doing i just have to look and hope what i have works sometimes my LS runs parsers but like i sadi have been afk for a while and havent gotn into one with LS that has been parsed.

i spimly asked if my setup would perform well with m. kris or it would just be a waste of my time

thank you for the ppl that gave me a legit answer and also to the ppl that noted the food change ill def. look into it thanks

i do decent dmg so since im not so uber i think ill just wait on my SK for offhand

again thanks to those that answered the question although im sure it would be fun doesnt look like its worth the gil invested thanks again

and yes it does look like i am a thfonifrit ^^; my name is Cozmo

[draxyl]

Pro Tip: If you post a question on the BG forums, and list your gear, you will be made fun of. In addition, if you can't write the english so well...you'll also get made fun of. Either fix the gear or your punctuation/grammar, or grow a thicker skin and don't give a fuck and ignore the comments.

[Intense]

When I posted my THF gear, no one made fun of me! (To my face anyways ;; )

[Cozmo]

I don't care what ppl say about my gear I do what I can for the playing time I have to get the gear I want or feel I need. To call me fishy because i use a Rapp. Harness for a HASTE setup um.. I'm sorry its crap. Its a HASTE setup what do u want me to use Hecatomb Harness omg str!!!!11. I was asking about a dgr and the current setup i use for TP. So sorry I have a reason to comment on the reply to my original post.

I thanked everyone that needed thanked for the information they provided sorry to the ppl that had a bad day today pray things will get better ^^;. I myself have had a great day.

Also a big thanks has to go out to Mr. Period the help you have provided will last with me till the day I die ^^; /bow

/em thank you now I can go DIE...!!!!!????///11

[Intense]

Man, he already has a title... I want a title that says "I has a title!"

[riddaraan]

If you want to make a true Haste build, then use Bravo's Subligar. And until you get Sirocco Kukri, use Hornetneedle off-hand.

[Rem]

Its a HASTE setup what do u want me to use Hecatomb Harness omg str!!!!11.

Hey now, don't forget about the accuracy on that piece as well.

I've never used the M. Kris but why not just go or stick with a Sirocco Kukri for your sub hand?

[Cozmo]

Now w/ Bravo's i have used it and felt that Dusk Legs were better for me to be honest. I know that Dusk Feet also have only 2%haste like Bravo's but they do grant 4atk so that helps out. But thanks for the info. Also HN i do have but is low dmg and doesnt occ. atk 2-8 times if it did I would use it so i would be gimping dmg and hurting party. I'm trying to get SK atm so ill be good when I do get that. But thanks for the info..

[riddaraan]

I'm just offering suggestions based upon what I used. I had hardly no money to level THF, and still somehow pumped out good numbers, even after I got rid of my MK. I always figured that speed = faster WS = more total damage. But keep in mind I don't know anything about fSTR or calculating shit. I just go with what I like.

Nowadays, I TP in Homam+Walmart, Jaeger & DEX ring, you know. Zoom zoom gear.

[Baha]

Tested out MK for close to 2hrs before i got sick of it, low damage is low. I used to be of the mindset faster hitting > more tp > more ws > more damage, but then I switched to meat, and haven't looked back. MK gave me a marginal boost in tp gain (Blau/SK is normal setup), but damage was easily down 50% or more, not even counting the SK wind damage.

Not saying you *have* to eat meat, just saying that your normal melee hits usually compromise the bulk of your damage, and getting shitty damage while building tp will hurt your overall damage, regardless if you do more WS's. (kraken RNG's don't apply. )