Zeitgeist Movie

[MF Perm]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

I just watched this. Some if it is pretty compelling, some of it seems like it's looking hard for evidence. I'd have to research some of it to see what I come up with to have a formal opinion on it. Interesting to say the least. I know some things in it are fact, just not all.


Let me know what you think.

[guartz]

Yes, I liked the film. Although this seems to be a new version, they didn't change much.

[Devek]

I started to watch it until it turned into 911 conspiracy than I turned it off.

[MF Perm]

I started to watch it until it turned into 911 conspiracy than I turned it off.

It gets a bit interesting once you get past that part. It's just about a quarter of the entire thing. Just skip over it and watch the rest.

[guartz]

I started to watch it until it turned into 911 conspiracy than I turned it off.

heh, this is so ironic.

[Tyche]

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE WE GO!

[Tricen]

Since we are in this thread, can someone post the links to the 911 debunking stuff cause I can't find it ~_~

[Ivve]

It's just annoying to hear speculation on 9-11, because it's been done and done and done and done to death. You think that if anyone had proven conclusively that any of these conspiracy theories are true beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they would still be alive or that the people responsible would still be in office? The fact of the matter is that it's circumstantial/anecdotal evidence delivered by non-experts more often than not. It's been debunked more times than we can comfortably count. Unless there's some new evidence, some new inarguable and undeniable proof, we just don't want to hear it anymore.

Let's just drop it before it degenerates into another off-topic fucking epic battle of extremes, tangents, and myspace links. Just for good measure, nazis did it. Derail over.

[MF Perm]

It's just annoying to hear speculation on 9-11, because it's been done and done and done and done to death. You think that if anyone had proven conclusively that any of these conspiracy theories are true beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they would still be alive or that the people responsible would still be in office? The fact of the matter is that it's circumstantial/anecdotal evidence delivered by non-experts more often than not. It's been debunked more times than we can comfortably count. Unless there's some new evidence, some new inarguable and undeniable proof, we just don't want to hear it anymore.

Let's just drop it before it degenerates into another off-topic fucking epic battle of extremes, tangents, and myspace links. Just for good measure, nazis did it. Derail over.

It's not all about 9/11

There's a section about 9/11 that segues into other stuff. Like I said, it's an interesting watch is all. Maybe 30 minutes out of two hours of it is about 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I took it all with a grain of salt. I'm just asking to watch the movie and discuss it in it's entirety.

[Ivve]

It's just annoying to hear speculation on 9-11, because it's been done and done and done and done to death. You think that if anyone had proven conclusively that any of these conspiracy theories are true beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they would still be alive or that the people responsible would still be in office? The fact of the matter is that it's circumstantial/anecdotal evidence delivered by non-experts more often than not. It's been debunked more times than we can comfortably count. Unless there's some new evidence, some new inarguable and undeniable proof, we just don't want to hear it anymore.

Let's just drop it before it degenerates into another off-topic fucking epic battle of extremes, tangents, and myspace links. Just for good measure, nazis did it. Derail over.

It's not all about 9/11

There's a section about 9/11 that segues into other stuff. Like I said, it's an interesting watch is all. Maybe 30 minutes out of two hours of it is about 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I took it all with a grain of salt. I'm just asking to watch the movie and discuss it in it's entirety.

Sorry, I really meant to address that to guartz and anyone else thinking about turning this into a 9/11 conspiracy derail. I'm checking out the movie now, and by the time I've finished it, I would like to be able to still participate in a discussion about the movie itself.

[MF Perm]

It's just annoying to hear speculation on 9-11, because it's been done and done and done and done to death. You think that if anyone had proven conclusively that any of these conspiracy theories are true beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they would still be alive or that the people responsible would still be in office? The fact of the matter is that it's circumstantial/anecdotal evidence delivered by non-experts more often than not. It's been debunked more times than we can comfortably count. Unless there's some new evidence, some new inarguable and undeniable proof, we just don't want to hear it anymore.

Let's just drop it before it degenerates into another off-topic fucking epic battle of extremes, tangents, and myspace links. Just for good measure, nazis did it. Derail over.

It's not all about 9/11

There's a section about 9/11 that segues into other stuff. Like I said, it's an interesting watch is all. Maybe 30 minutes out of two hours of it is about 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I took it all with a grain of salt. I'm just asking to watch the movie and discuss it in it's entirety.

Sorry, I really meant to address that to guartz and anyone else thinking about turning this into a 9/11 conspiracy derail. I'm checking out the movie now, and by the time I've finished it, I would like to be able to still participate in a discussion about the movie itself.

Right on, thanks. :D

[quannum]

i liked the pope fish hat part

[Devek]

It's not all about 9/11

There's a section about 9/11 that segues into other stuff. Like I said, it's an interesting watch is all. Maybe 30 minutes out of two hours of it is about 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I took it all with a grain of salt. I'm just asking to watch the movie and discuss it in it's entirety.

Lets just say it is a work of art, it is the equivalent of taking a big shit right in the middle of it.

Smacks of bias too.. I mean if anecdotal evidence was "good enough" to prove a 911 conspiracy then entire parts of what I saw earlier would be shot down because there are billions of people with anecdotal accounts of how religion is real and works.

Not only can I not logically discuss anything in the video because of that I can't even objectively watch it so my own accounts would be flawed. I might skip around and finish it up later but for now I'm kind of drunk off my ass so I will need to pass

[guartz]

It's not all about 9/11

There's a section about 9/11 that segues into other stuff. Like I said, it's an interesting watch is all. Maybe 30 minutes out of two hours of it is about 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I took it all with a grain of salt. I'm just asking to watch the movie and discuss it in it's entirety.

Lets just say it is a work of art, it is the equivalent of taking a big shit right in the middle of it.

Smacks of bias too.. I mean if anecdotal evidence was "good enough" to prove a 911 conspiracy then entire parts of what I saw earlier would be shot down because there are billions of people with anecdotal accounts of how religion is real and works.

Not only can I not logically discuss anything in the video because of that I can't even objectively watch it so my own accounts would be flawed. I might skip around and finish it up later but for now I'm kind of drunk off my ass so I will need to pass

The 9/11 commission report is anecdotal evidence, it's a farce that came years late to give media talking heads something to cling to. This film does a good job at pointing out where true bias really is. However, if you insist on saying there isn't enough evidence to prove 9/11 was a conspiracy of treason, you must then accept that there isn't enough evidence to prove that it wasn't. Begging the question, whom do you want to believe?

[guartz]

It's just annoying to hear speculation on 9-11, because it's been done and done and done and done to death. You think that if anyone had proven conclusively that any of these conspiracy theories are true beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they would still be alive or that the people responsible would still be in office? The fact of the matter is that it's circumstantial/anecdotal evidence delivered by non-experts more often than not. It's been debunked more times than we can comfortably count. Unless there's some new evidence, some new inarguable and undeniable proof, we just don't want to hear it anymore.

Let's just drop it before it degenerates into another off-topic fucking epic battle of extremes, tangents, and myspace links. Just for good measure, nazis did it. Derail over.

coincidently, Prescot Bush was a nazi.

[dekamii]

i'm a bit confused...the film is saying how the mainstream media is corrupting people but yet it's using clips from CNN,ABC, and NBC as proofs for the N. American Union. maybe i'm missing something, explain please

[Devek]

Begging the question, whom do you want to believe?

http://begthequestion.info/old/

I believe in the side most educated

[guartz]

Begging the question, whom do you want to believe?

http://begthequestion.info/old/

I believe in the side most educated

lol, nice link.

but then by all means, feast yourself on http://www.zmag.org

It's the who's who intelligentsia of American society. Elitist occult of three digit iqs, if you will.

[guartz]

i'm a bit confused...the film is saying how the mainstream media is corrupting people but yet it's using clips from CNN,ABC, and NBC as proofs for the N. American Union. maybe i'm missing something, explain please

Very simple, those few clips are the ONLY remarks made about the N.A.U. in the mainstream media. Compared this to less pressing matters, say like, Paris Hilton in jail.

They are not trying to convince you that n.a.u is happening, because the government is not really hiding it.
http://www.spp.gov
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

They are simply saying that it's not getting the press it needs, at all, and in todays world - if it's not on the news 24/7 then it's not important (or rather, most of Americans won't know about it)

[Devek]

The appropriate response is more like..

On the other side of the coin are the linguistic descriptivists, the more extreme of whom gladly say 'poop' to any rule or convention of language that they don't understand. Why shouldn't I be able to say 'flowerpot' when I mean anti-lock braking system? Don't box me in, man. But what might one expect from someone who says 'you've got another THINK coming'?

http://www.zmag.org

It's the who's who intelligentsia of American society. Elitist occult of three digit iqs, if you will.

With articles like 300: A Gay Porn Movie? tagged with authors like, "Michael Bronski is the author of Pulp Friction: Uncovering the Golden Age of Gay Male Pulps (St. Martin’s Press). " I will be sure to contact these people if I ever want to erect a tall and long skyscraper.