Haste/Damage Equations/details

[Repairs]

So, when trying to calculate my basic damage over a 10min period, is the following correct? (used spreadsheet to create this, so rounding will be off, but it's the basics I'm looking at):

Mainhand delay 201
Off hand delay 194
total delay 395

Dual wield (after 20%):
delay 158
total 316 (both hands)

haste 11%
total 281.24 delay after haste
delay/tic 4.69 (tic=60)

10min= 36000 tics - (60tic*60sec)*10(min)
7,680.27 hits per 10min (36000/4.69)

42.44 average damage per hit (parse)
9.05 damage/tic(60)
18.11 dual wield (*2)

69,538.64 damage every 10min (9.05*7680.27)?
139,077.28 dual wield damage (*2)

So far does this make sense?
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If the formula above works/correctish. Now, if I removed all haste, I would need to increase my average damge per hit:

delay 316
haste 0%
total 316
delay/tic 5.27

10min 36000
6835.44

53.58 average damage per hit (theory) - played w/ #'s in spreadsheet to get this
10.17 damage/tic(60)
20.35 dual wield/tic

69,539.82 damage every 10min
139,079.63 dual wield

So in theory, I would need to increase my average damage to 53.58 (+11.14average) to match the 11% haste?

So things I would then need to test is approximate str/attack relation to average damage...

So if I just did a simple +1average=5str/2.5att (close/far off?) then I need:
55.7 more str (11.14*5); and/or
27.85 more attack (11.14*2.5)

[Ferien]

I'll let someone else pick apart your math, but it seems a little fishy to me for some reason that I can't pick out right now. Besides that, obvious issues are that 2.5 attack or 5 STR is not going to directly increase your per-hit damage by 1. STR and Attack are variable contained within a formula to find each individual hit's damage, and Attack simply defines the constraints of a random number. Since the multiple 2h changes, however, the exact formulae and constraints are no longer known (please correct me if they've been found) so determining a more exact relationship than "more STR and Attack leads to more average per-hit damage" is impossible to do without actual field tests.

That being said, I can tell you that the STR and Attack increases needed will vary by mob and mob level, and that your assumptions for Haste are only true if you're fighting one specific mob for the full 10 minutes, which is not a practical scenario.

[Slott]

uh just from an obvious standpoint, you arent hitting 7500 times in 10 minutes. that'd be like 12.5 swings per second. You also arent doing 140000 damage in 10 minutes.

Your math is horribly wrong. You're dividing delay (60 delay per second, what you call "tics" out of both the numerator and denominator, then continue to compare your delay per swing in seconds vs "tics" in 10 minutes.

[Slott]

So, when trying to calculate my basic damage over a 10min period, is the following correct? (used spreadsheet to create this, so rounding will be off, but it's the basics I'm looking at):

Mainhand delay 201
Off hand delay 194
total delay 395

Dual wield (after 20%):
delay 158
total 316 (both hands)

haste 11%
total 281.24 delay after haste
delay/tic 4.69 (tic=60) << 281.24 "tics" / 60 "tics" becomes your delay in seconds. That's 4.69 seconds / swing

10min= 600 seconds (60sec)*10(min)
127.93 hits per 10min (600/4.69)

not fixing the rest of your math. Delay is in 60ths of a second / swing. When you divide the 60ths out to get to seconds, you are left with seconds / swing.

[Ferien]

That's what felt wrong about it..

FYI Repairs, the 4.69 you have listed as "delay/tic" is actually the number of seconds per attack round. To find total number of rounds in 10 minutes the formula is 10min*60sec/min = 600s / 4.69s/round = 127.9 attack rounds, or basically the number you found /60. Your number without any Haste becomes 113~114 rounds per minute.

Your calculation for damage per 10 minutes is also off. Just use the average damage per hit and multiply it by the number of total swings, which is 127.9 rounds * 2 swings/round. Your number therefore becomes 42.44 * 255.8 = 10856.12 damage/10min. Without haste you're doing 9633.88 damage in 10 minutes. You would need a ~12.7% increase in average damage per-hit to match the benefits of 11% Haste, in other words you need to increase that per-hit average to 47.83 (which is generally more difficult than it sounds).

Also, all of this assumes 100% accuracy, which is impossible within the constraints of the game. The numbers would need to be adjusted for accuracy, and also for differences in accuracy between the two different gear/food combinations.

Slott beat me to it mid-post, but I'll leave it unedited so you have the extra detail and info.

Also, if my math is wrong somewhere, please don't hesitate to correct it.

[LinktheDeme]

i normally just use ffxi calculator and it does maths for me

[VZX]

I usually use calculator with input 0-9, =, +,-,*,/
and last part is horribly wrong. It seems you're lacking the basic concept of damage dealt per attack round

I suggest you go back to this page

[Repairs]

Sweet! Thanks for the math fixes!

In this case, it is the same type of mob, just 1-4 levels difference, and all EP. So hoping the overall averages of the parser would make things semi-viable compared to the 4 levels... (wish parser could differentiate)

Link: where is this FFXI Calculator?

VZX: I'm guessing you mean that my wild guess at +1 to my average damage for 5str/2.5 attack, is horribly wrong?

As long as the basic's behind the "formula" are correct, then I'm ok. My next step was to parse again without triumph ring (-5str/2.5attck) and see what my new average damage is. Also comparing my crit%, as I will be swapping in the adroit. After that swapping Homan hands with dusk, etc ,etc.

thanks

[VZX]

VZX: I'm guessing you mean that my wild guess at +1 to my average damage for 5str/2.5 attack, is horribly wrong?

Yep, that part is way off to the currently accepted formula.

Other parts I didn't check it, but some errors was pointed by the other posters.