Alternate way to purchase Salvage Permit

[SamanosukeShiva]

I'm sure many of the players share the same dilemma of doing either Nyzul or Salvage. Haven't seen this brought up so here goes..

My idea is to propose an alternate way to purchase Salvage permit by Imperial Standing, 2k or 3k imperial standing sounds reasonable. Purchasable by the same NPC and still limited to 1 permit/day.

[Cream Soda]

Or just use 1.5k tokens the same way you use 1.5k assault points.

[MrBubbles]

I'd agree, just allow it to be 1.5k Nyzul tokens, since Nyzul is just an assault, and you get tokens at about the same rate as assaults points, but noooooooooo that would be too sensible

[jimbobsonofgod]

I agree with the IS since it doesn't interfere with a mythic, tokens do though

anyways or they can just make nyzul a separate tag system all together have it a nyzul tag instead of imperial tag. get 7 imp. tags and 7 nyzul tags a week doesn't seem so bad.

[Wolfknight]

I agree with the IS since it doesn't interfere with a mythic, tokens do though

anyways or they can just make nyzul a separate tag system all together have it a nyzul tag instead of imperial tag. get 7 imp. tags and 7 nyzul tags a week doesn't seem so bad.

^this SE should have done this from the start.

[BRP]

SE wanted you to choose your content rather than be held back by timers. Compare it to Dynamis and Limbus.

So rather than 2-3 Nyzul and 2-3 Assault each week you can do all Nyzul or All Assault(and Salvage).

[Amele]

SE wanted you to choose your content rather than be held back by timers. Compare it to Dynamis and Limbus.

So rather than 2-3 Nyzul and 2-3 Assault each week you can do all Nyzul or All Assault(and Salvage).

we just wedged it all in together like this: 3 azure experiments a week (for divisors baby!), 1 rvb, 3 salvage, 3 nyzul.

[BRP]

we just wedged it all in together like this: 3 azure experiments a week (for divisors baby!), 1 rvb, 3 salvage, 3 nyzul.

Yeah I would say something like this is the best set up. The great thing about it is that if you are more Nyzul focused or Salvage(or Assault) focused, the option is there.

Of course, it is like any playerbase to get a hand, then ask for the arm.

[Hanyoko]

Isnt the NPC for salvage permits also the one that takes nyzul tokens in exchange for that book? Therefore he has some form of demand on the 'black market' for tokens. I would think something like 1500 AP, 2000 tokens, 2000 ISP would be fair. But then again I would prefer 1000 AP, 1500 tokens, 2000 ISP.

[Amele]

Isnt the NPC for salvage permits also the one that takes nyzul tokens in exchange for that book? Therefore he has some form of demand on the 'black market' for tokens. I would think something like 1500 AP, 2000 tokens, 2000 ISP would be fair. But then again I would prefer 1000 AP, 1500 tokens, 2000 ISP.

consider that they already reduced the cost of the permit once; which is what even allows you to play at doing nyzul and salvage at the same time (the way they were initially implemented it was impossible; you needed 2 tags for every salvage.)

and that it's fairly obvious that SE *wants* the content to be mutually exclusive (seriously; nyzul was meant to be the casual content, and prior to mythics the player base considered it that way; salvage the hardcore content. - think of it like ks30 vs ks99: mutually exclusive content.)

[Ahlah]

Not all new players have have access to RvB. Will be nice if SE lower permit cost to 1000 AP. Don't think it will upset game balance and it's easy to program (probably the only thing that concerns SE).

[Lordwafik]

consider that they already reduced the cost of the permit once; which is what even allows you to play at doing nyzul and salvage at the same time (the way they were initially implemented it was impossible; you needed 2 tags for every salvage.)

and that it's fairly obvious that SE *wants* the content to be mutually exclusive (seriously; nyzul was meant to be the casual content, and prior to mythics the player base considered it that way; salvage the hardcore content. - think of it like ks30 vs ks99: mutually exclusive content.)

they dropped limbus prices twice.

50k > 30k
30k > 15k

[Amele]

they dropped limbus prices twice.

50k > 30k
30k > 15k

the economy also tanked to 1/10th of it's pre-inflation value

[Falisa]

Of course one of the reasonable solutions is as you guys said, split up Nyzul and Salvage equally during the week. But one of the sad facts about salvage is if you want any decent amount of equipment anytime soon you pretty much have to dedicate all your tags to salvage (of course theres the exception of those fuckin lucky people)

While we're on the subject of Salvage, how about someone ask SE their reasoning behind leaving DNC and SCH off of Salvage equipment when they make the sets so hard to obtain?

[_chuchu]

Of course one of the reasonable solutions is as you guys said, split up Nyzul and Salvage equally during the week. But one of the sad facts about salvage is if you want any decent amount of equipment anytime soon you pretty much have to dedicate all your tags to salvage (of course theres the exception of those fuckin lucky people)

While we're on the subject of Salvage, how about someone ask SE their reasoning behind leaving DNC and SCH off of Salvage equipment when they make the sets so hard to obtain?

There will always be a new gear set to beat an older one and so forth and include new jobs. Wish they would give SAM movement speed. RNG gets three pieces.

I would love to see Nyzul be a separate system from salvage personally though

[Starr]

Are you serious? Why would SE let us do Nyzul and Salvage together? They're running a business here, keep people playing longer etc.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Thought about another way they could increase it with little difficulty cause we all know square is lazy.

Captain rank = 2 tags per day instead of 1.

Still cap out at 5 , so forces people who don't want to waste their tags to log in everyday,

[Gtype954]

Well since you need captain TWICE as a requirement for Mystic weapons, that is about 100k worth of Imp standing. I made about 15k each assault area from rank 1 to captain but my static passed the armband and let me get it on all 50 assaults, cause they didnt care for it. lets say without the armband its about 10k per area and there is 5 areas =50,000 AP.

do captain twice and you have 100k. Instead of doing assualts for salvage AP, forus on getting captain for your AP, then get your titles. (you should of started einherjar ASAP since you can, and should work on your 4 salvage titles with your first set of captain AP. Work on captain a 2nd time.
By this time when you completed your book logs. You should have enough to do both nyzul isle and salvage.
I would do 6 nyzul a week and save the 7th tag for R vs B just to prevent yourself from falling on AP.

At the same time you getting ampoules already.
You need about 160 nyzul isle assaults if you get a little over 1k tokens a run. You are still bound to eventually run out of salvage points.

Also, To get 30,000 alexdrites in a 1-2 year time frame, you would need to go to salvage 7 TIMES a WEEK, AND perfect it completely (kill ALL the 35s you can on all the possible routes that you CAN take in 1 salvage run AND kill the mega boss AND hope that a linen purse drops. (which I only seen 1 drop out of the 7 bosses we did that week)
If a linen pouch does NOT drop, you are looking at 30-50 alexdrites per run.

We did SSR the other day and did F1 hammerhead he dropped a purse, did dekka, he dropped a purse, did gears, they dropped a purse plus the fact that you need to kill all the gears to pop him which dropped some too.
Then we did the boss. Altogether, we made 117 alexadrite ONLY.

Arrapago remnants we did F2 Qiqirn, F3 qirirn , F4 qirirn, Ghost NM, F5 qirirn, Chariot F5, F6 2 qirirns, F7 Boss.
(impossible to do in a pick-up party in my opinion) and we ONLY netted about 50 alexdrite and we perfected the damn run.

If the 35 NMs dropped cotton purses for 50 alexdrite and the bosses dropped purses with 100 alexdrite at 100%, this quest would be possible to do in a 1-3 year time span without buying any alexdrite.
But at the current 30,000 they have now, plus the fact that noone is gonna do salvage 7x a week for 1 year without missing a single salvage day due to running outta AP, or holidays, birthday etc.
Not to mention some groups only go 3x a week, and the linen pouch is a bad drop rate and has a crappy amount inside it anyway.

You are looking at like 5 years to farm these going 3x a week.


I gave Valid reasons on how you can use your tags and do the quest in the correct order so you can nail nyzul isle and salvage at the SAME time, But it still isn't good enough with this crazy requirement. We are humans, This is a damn video game... A teenager will be 25 by the time he gets this damn relic unless he buys alexadrite and buys gils which causes his light bill to go out due to no money cause he spent it on FF gil lol.

Lets say you made 1000 Alexdrite a week.... thats 30 weeks to get 30,000.
Thats over 6 months. Mind you, we perfected each run and were only granted about 400 alexdrite a week. So less then 50% would be 70+ weeks.
We only went 7x a week during a salvage addiction phase we went thru.
We only go 3x a week now.

70+ weeks if you go 7x a week, for just 1 Part of the quest is crazy.

another 140-150 days minimum for nyzul isle book.

51 days minimum for captain (assuming no losses which WILL indeed occur at least once)

50 days minimum for captain x2 (dont need the 51st nyzul assault, and your extra tag wont matter if you do 1 tag a day. This is 50 days with NO losses, which is very slim)

30 Weeks MiNIMUM

assuming you do Tier III and Odin only would be about 3k a week. Of course you can do Odin without the countless tier IIs and Tier I's. Not to mention you might wipe on einherjar and get no ampoules, but I believe this would be rare.

at average 1k to 2k per run and you can ONLY go 2x a week>
lets make pretend you can do Tier III and Odin ONLY without the other tiers, You would make 4k a week. It would come out to 25 weeks. However, You can make a consistant 4k a week, its impossible, you need tier I and tier II. So I would bump it up to about a 30 week+ minimum.

but I will be fair, You can do Captain and Salvage same time, then captain x2 and salvage same time, and also do einherjar at the same time.

You cannot do nyzul isle and captain at the same time without splitting your time frame longer. And you cannot do Captain and Captain x2 at the same time.

So both captains are a minimum of 101 Real life days assuming you did all 101 with 0 losses.

there is a lotta of loop holes, you can buy alexdrite, you can use 3 mules in einherjar to spam odin every 9 days, you can use captain AP to do Nyzul isle and salvage. You can do 3 beastkings in 1 day even though most people dont, you CAN though.

But it all boils down to the a stupid 30k amount. I think it they lowered it to 10k, the mystic weapons would STILL be rare, and STILL take over a year to complete. (and this is a Damn video game, nothing should even take more then 1 year for a video game weapon, or maybe 2 years)

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this thread is about assault tags, But I assume you made this thread because you want to do both Assaults at the same time so you work on your relic is a time fashion. I wasn't whining to make Mystic weapons easier to SE, But I am informing them, that 1 year should be the timespan on weapons, not 4-5 years which the 30k alexdrite creates. it would STILL be hard to complete these requirements, but it would be POSSIBLE to do for hardcore people. I like to do things the hard way and by skill, not by how much gil I have. Buying Alexadrite as a mandatory option to reach the alotted timespan is dumb.

Sorry for the essay, But I hope SE reads this too, and lowers it to 10,000. (which is the same amount for the final Dynamis stage Without all these stupid other requirements though, its unbalanced)

[Ahlah]

Lowering Alexandrite requirement to 10k will not lower the price of Alexandrite. Ppl who are already paying 5k per stone will be willing to pay more since they already expect to spend 150mil on mythic weapon.

To be honest the only reason I am doing Nyzul Isle now is to get the new weaponskill. Askar/Golliard/Denali set are decent but players who are already working on Salvage gear can probably live without them.

It's too much work for SE to create 2 separate tag systems for regular assault and Nyzul Isle investigation. All they need to do is lower the cost of salvage permit. Shouldn't be too hard to implement.

[Damane]

or you could just make the permits free... every 24 hours. Its boreing like hell to do assaults all the time so I can do salvage.
Make them rank based
or ISP
or hell let them cost 2000 gil
but please my mind is getting numb by the shit repeating of assaults, haveing no fun and no reward at all ecxept for the fact to be able to enter salvage...
Its just a unnecessary timesink for no reason.