Been really debating this on thf

[lovehatehero]

I still cant seem to find really good testing on this so...Ive acquired a cuchulains mantle for my thf and have been using it mostly for the acc to reach as close to the acc cap as i can on greater birds. But i have some peopel telling me forget about it and get a foragers, others telling me to keep. Are there any tests showing which i will more than likely benefit the most from? With all my merits and current gear, i sit at a total of 388 acc (285 dagger skill, 84dex, plus gear) and 16% haste. At greater colibri the accuracy cap on level 82 birds is 407. So..in reguards to that.
Acc %___________ LVL81 Lvl82
75% ................... 358 ..... 367
80% ................... 368 ..... 377
85% ............. ...... 378 ..... 387
90% ............. ...... 388 ..... 397
95% ............. ...... 398 ..... 407

Ive pushed the minimum acc for 90% against lower lvl ones and sit aroung 87.5(88%) on higher ones...And that w/o and brd or cor for acc song/roll. Given that what yalls opinion on it.

[Cream Soda]

First of all, its 409 acc to cap on lv 82 colibri and 2nd of all, Cuch is a worthwhile investment, imo. I plan on picking one up for my mnk meat build (and no madrigal at bird camp) build.

I don't have any tests specifically for you like you asked, but Cuch will raise ur hitrate by 3.5% (7 acc)

Out of 100 swings, on average you'd land 3.5 more with cuch than forager's.

I'm not exactly sure how much thf hits for but I'll just say 50 I guess.

So, lets say you have 85% acc with cuch and 81.5% acc with forager's and swing 100 times.

50 dmg/hit at 85 landed hits is going to yield 4,250 dmg.

Now lets say you even want to break even with 4,250 dmg in 81.5 hits.

4,250/81.5 = 52.147 dmg/hit.

I personally don't think 15 attack is going to have that significant of a difference in how hard you hit and that's just to break even, yet alone do more damage. Also, keeping in mind that the higher acc route will also gain more TP, which will lead to more WS.

[Tubbers]

Yeah he pretty much nailed it.

[lovehatehero]

yea thats what i pretty much thought, but i have a lot of peopel tell/yelling at me ...OMG gimp thf get a foragers...which gets annoying...actually i posted a pic of my gear sets in the media thread and thats one of the comments.....not to mettion to swap my rap harness for acc body and get dusk for hand instead of war +1 but thats another story lol..

[tonystigma]

That makes perfect sense. Acc+10 body and haste+3% hands. Dusk has atk+ too. It's called a win-win situation.

[Starr]

Use Cuchulains.

[Raen Ryong]

It very much depends on your actual setup. Using actual numbers against level 82 Greater Colibri, I found that Cuch Mantle won over my Forager's when accuracy was ~<85% or so, so basically without Madrigal at birdies. Cuch Mantle is generally the superior mantle on seriousish stuff, but Forager's always has its place (such as when Feint is on and when accuracy is very high).

[Starr]

Of course with Madrigal, Forager's mantle is better but you better have 2 BRDs and all your other melee be NIN MNK THF or Dual Wielding WARs to warrant Madrigal.

[Raen Ryong]

Well, you'll always want a Madrigal at mamool =p then some mamools in that situation, Cuch is better and on some Forager's is better. Just have both if you're a very micro-intensive Thief.