Cursed Coat set subs

[matt4684]

For some reason I've felt like trying to figure out the goldsmithing subs on cursed coat, trews, and hat. Not sure why, but I felt like it. I'm also curious about the leather subs but my leather is too high to go with the "within 15 levels to synth" rule. I'd test the subs for the cuffs as well, but I really don't feel like blasting 2 angelstones out of existance on a whim. Anywho... so far I have this figured out (only goldsmithing subs are mine, all other craft levels are from otherwiki):

Cursed Coat: Cloth 97 Gold 51 (Confirmed) Leather ???
Cursed Hat: Cloth 93 Gold 50 (Confirmed) Leather ???
Cursed Trews: Cloth 95 Gold 45 (Confirmed) Leather ???

The last round of tests was done at cloth 93+2, Goldsmithing 30, and Leather 54. Tried at goldsmithing 29, all three synths were too high to attempt, tried again at 30, trews attempted and broke confirming gs sub of 45, and the others are still too high.

If anyone with high cloth and low leather wants to play around with the leather subs, I'd love to have those caps sorted out as well.

Edit 1: Just attempted at hat and coat at 31 goldsmithing, still no dice
Edit 2: Still no dice at 33, here's to hoping hat stays a probable T1

[matt4684]

BAM! Cursed Hat sub confirmed at 50. Coat still a mystery. Somehow I kept the nethereye chain on that one

[Clave]

Just to add some info, I've successfully made a total of about 5 cursed coats with 52 goldsmithing and capped leather sub with no skillups in gold, so I'm leaning towards it being 52 or below. Of course, 5 isn't very many and skillups after 50 do worsen, so it could still be above.

[matt4684]

KABLAM! Cursed coat goldsmithing sub confirmed at 51. Saved the chain again, feels like it would be an autoloss as a rare item, but maybe einherjar chains (and by extension rubber items) aren't 99% loss items on fails for these. Saved 2/3 of them doing this

[Zouri]

cursed clogs ~> Gold sub confirmed @ 53

On a side note of these though, ffxiah lists them as a lvl 99 synth. Any veteran in leather can go to the npc in the guild to view the list. They are always listed before austere hats. Either i'm wasting T0's for a ls that wants -1s (3/27 so far), or the leather level is really 92 or 93.

[Sprint]

Are you synthing with shaded spectacles and adv gold support? without that its going to be tier0, if the gold is really 53, regardless of leather level.

[Zouri]

Are you synthing with shaded spectacles and adv gold support? without that its going to be tier0, if the gold is really 53, regardless of leather level.

I use the cloth specs, only because I do not have the shaded yet. My gold is only 54 now; so either way its still too low. I was only able to determine the gold level while skilling it anyway.

Also, I dont understand why people automatically believe that a subcraft tier 0 automatically makes the synth in the tier 0 odds range, so please explain. Sure, it does make it more difficult, but its not a true T0.... maybe 0.6

[Jojojo]

I use the cloth specs, only because I do not have the shaded yet. My gold is only 54 now; so either way its still too low. I was only able to determine the gold level while skilling it anyway.

Also, I dont understand why people automatically believe that a subcraft tier 0 automatically makes the synth in the tier 0 odds range, so please explain. Sure, it does make it more difficult, but its not a true T0.... maybe 0.6

We do know that the tier of an item is dependent on the tier you have in the sub. SH with only 63 leathercraft is not T2. Do you have reason to think it's somewhere between? If not I think it's reasonable to assume that a subcraft tier 0 implies tier 0 HQ rate overall.

[Zouri]

We do know that the tier of an item is dependent on the tier you have in the sub. SH with only 63 leathercraft is not T2. Do you have reason to think it's somewhere between? If not I think it's reasonable to assume that a subcraft tier 0 implies tier 0 HQ rate overall.

you dont craft much do you?

Do you have reason to think it's somewhere between?

Lets take something easy; Cesti for example. Leather 3 Woodworking 1. Let's say my woodworking is 1 (which it is), can i assume that i will only hq 1 out of 100 of those with leather 100? My sub is obviously T-0. No... In actuallity, it's more like 33% - 50%.

Again, i say this: Just because the sub is tier 0, what evidence do you have to show that it makes the overall difficulty equal to a tier 0 synth?

[Theraven]

you dont craft much do you?

You seem very confident for someone who is arguing against what is currently accepted as fact about subs and crafting tiers. Do you have any proof?

For multicraft items, the HQ rate is based on the lowest gap between enhanced skill and recipe cap. That is, if you have a multicraft item where you are T1 on 2 craftskills and T0 on the 3rd, the entire item will have a T0 HQ rate.

[cdgreg]

Lets take something easy; Cesti for example. Leather 3 Woodworking 1. Let's say my woodworking is 1 (which it is), can i assume that i will only hq 1 out of 100 of those with leather 100? My sub is obviously T-0. No... In actuallity, it's more like 33% - 50%.

Again, i say this: Just because the sub is tier 0, what evidence do you have to show that it makes the overall difficulty equal to a tier 0 synth?

Yes, go make 50 and prove everyone else in the crafting community wrong, please! I'm looking forward to SS's!

[Zouri]

It shouldnt take 50 synths to give you proof, but if you want me to continue, i will more than happily do so....... 25% on a tier 0? omg my luck is insane! or maybe, just maybe a T0 sub only lowers the chance to hq, but does not make it a true tier 0 synth.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ilbmlc.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/900shx.jpg


shall i continue? of course i will... note the "change job" in ss. that is the end of first set of 12 and beginning of new. ss to come as soon as i am done.

[Zouri]

10/24 on a, as you say, tier 0.

http://i43.tinypic.com/29vm87.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/1zb59hs.jpg

For multicraft items, the HQ rate is based on the lowest gap between enhanced skill and recipe cap. That is, if you have a multicraft item where you are T1 on 2 craftskills and T0 on the 3rd, the entire item will have a T0 HQ rate.

hmm?

[cdgreg]

Nice and thanks. The one thing I'm curious about is if WW is really a level 1 sub or not. I'll hop on my leather mule with 0 WW and double check. I imagine it is because of the lumber, but I'll do 12 synths and check for a skill up

[Zouri]

Nice and thanks. The one thing I'm curious about is if WW is really a level 1 sub or not. I'll hop on my leather mule with 0 WW and double check. I imagine it is because of the lumber, but I'll do 12 synths and check for a skill up

i actually got skill to 1 from it, so it is.
edit: after the fact, sorry about the image size.. i forgot to resize them >.<

[cdgreg]

i actually got skill to 1 from it, so it is. but you can check if you want it would probably be faster to check the guild person for the recipe. my leather mule is in san d'oria now, so i can find it and ss it if you would like.

edit: after the fact, sorry about the image size.. i forgot to resize them >.<

hmm, 0 wood, 12 synths, 0 skill ups. Seems like I'd get at least 1.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...set-subs-1.jpg

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...set-subs-2.jpg

[Zouri]

oh well, if i'm wrong about that synth, then i'm wrong. i was only wondering, not trying to get in a debate. but, i am quite sure (prior to learning that cesti were sold by vendor some ages ago) when i was doing himantes and coruel cesti i got wood to 1 on those. not to mention pretty much everywhere lists it with wood 1 sub. but oh well, i'll search for some other cheap craft with a tier 0 sub to play with if my example is a bad one. even so though, i was only wondering..

edit: i found another synth... Pickaxe.. although no materials are up at the moment, i will do them as soon as they are available.

if i am wrong about it being just more difficult, and not a true tier 0, i should charge these people more than 500k per cursed clogs -1 lol ^.^


edit a second time; i dont like double posting: without even realizing it, i do a craft for profit all the time that's a tier 0 sub.. Brigandine Armor (lol). I always do the gold sub instead of the smithing sub because its a lot cheaper and better profit. I didnt ss it at the time, but tuesday i did 2/12 of them. I nearly always get 1/12 at least on those, and occasionaly 2 or 3 hqs... sometimes 0 too. That's just another thing that makes me wonder..

[matt4684]

You could always go say hello to the recipe NPC if you are trying to verify that it has a woodworking sub or not

[Zouri]

You could always go say hello to the recipe NPC if you are trying to verify that it has a woodworking sub or not

you're right.. and i just did, and apparently all of the sites that list it are wrong lol.... so great, woosh on myself.

oh well though, i'll do other things with a tier 0 sub when i get free time/materials just to see.... because i swear i'm not losing my mind.

[Daiiawn]

FFXIah currently has cursed trews listed as a 97 CC cap not 95, is that a mistake or is the CC level in OP a mistake?