Senate provision to allow indefinite military detention in US soil; reinstate torture as policy

[Kuya]

Allows the indefinite military detention without charge of anyone, anywhere. This means that an american citizen, in the US can be detained indefinitly by the military without charge if suspected of terrorism according to the provisions they want to pass, including repeal of the executive order banning the use of torture.

AMY GOODMAN: The Senate could vote as early as Wednesday on a Pentagon spending bill that could usher in a radical expansion of indefinite detention under the U.S. government. A provision in the National Defense Authorization Act would authorize the military to jail anyone it considers a terrorism suspect anywhere in the world without charge or trial. The measure would effectively extend the definition of what’s considered the U.S. military’s battlefield to anywhere in the world, even the United States. The measure’s authors, Democratic Carl Levin of Michigan and Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, have been campaigning for its passage in a bipartisan effort. But, the White House has issued a veto threat with backing from top officials including Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Director of National Intelligence James clapper, an FBI Director Robert Mueller. The measure was inserted into the full military spending bill after the Armed Services Committee quietly approved it without a single public hearing. Now Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has set Wednesday as a procedural vote day to advance the legislation. For more we’re joined by Daphne Eviatar, Senior Associate with the Law and Security Program at Human Rights First. On Monday, Human Rights First released a letter from 26 retired military leaders urging the Senate to vote against the measure as well as against a separate provision that would repeal the executive order banning torture. Daphne Eviatar joins us in the studio today. Welcome to Democracy Now!. Explain exactly what this legislation is about.

It's fucking ridiculous that you might have to rely on the exercutive branch to stop the fucking lesgislature from giving it more powers. This just seems so extreme that i feel it probably won't pass, but given current events, i am not sure.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/...ace_indefinite

edit: Title doesn't make it clear that the provision has not passed yet.

[Demosthenes11]

If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to worry about!

[Kuya]

Other provisions ban the transfer of prisoners from Guantanamo and Bagram:

DAPHNE EVIATAR: Means—-the third provision, which I didn’t have a chance to talk about is just that it extends the transfer restrictions. It means you can’t transfer anyone out of Guantanamo. And the worst thing, and this is also something very few people have realized, but, Secretary Panetta mentioned this recently, is it would prevent the transfer of detainees out of Bagram and Afghanistan. So, we have about 3000 detainees being detained indefinitely in Afghanistan at the Bagram Air Base. Now, the U.S. wants to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan. This would make it almost impossible to do that, because you wouldn’t be able to transfer these detainees to Afghanistan because Afghanistan could never meet the conditions that are set out in the bill to accept detainees from the United States.

[Jeryhn]

If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to worry about!

Except for simulated drowning whether or not you have something to hide.

[archibaldcrane]

breezy in here

[Elvis]

i think we should be able to vote on torture methods

[Churchill]

I am not against some old natured barbarism to get a point across, however I think my target would differ greatly.

[Qalbert]

slightly tweaked title to convey that it hasn't passed yet

[Elvis]

I am not against some old natured barbarism to get a point across, however I think my target would differ greatly.

so what you're saying is we should force detainees to watch endless loops of

Spoiler: show

[Churchill]

I was thinking more along the lines of, commit white collar crime, verdict is: give us the money back or start killing people found guilty until all are dead.

Maybe no one gets the money but fuck em

[Blarg]

i think we should be able to vote on torture methods

I think an American Idol system of voting by text would be good. If you think waterboarding text 001 to....

[ronin sparthos]

If the people who are pro-waterboarding actually volunteer to have the enhanced interrogation methods done on them perhaps i'll consider supporting their nonsense.

[Blarg]

If the people who are pro-waterboarding actually volunteer to have the enhanced interrogation methods done on them perhaps i'll consider supporting their nonsense.

That's what this guy did.


He no longer thinks it's not torture.

[Churchill]

Have had it happen, it's not too bad

[Elvis]

It's essentially a slip n slide.

[Blarg]

When we waterboard muslims it's because we know that they need to clean themselves before they pray so we are helping them out and washing their face for them

[Elvis]

Muslims could twist that and say we waterboarded them with holy water tho, to convert. Better use Hawaiian punch instead. Everybody loves Hawaiian punch.

[ronin sparthos]

That's what this guy did.


He no longer thinks it's not torture.

Yeah I remember this, kinda giggled how quick he went from talking shit to being terrified in a controlled situation no less.

[Churchill]

lol, I've seen 18 y/o kids last longer. Well, 19 but it was their birthday.

[Rhinox]

Cool story bro.

I've been waterboarded too. Lasted about 60 seconds

Don't ask me for proof though cause this is an internet forum and everything I say here should be taken as gospel.