Zanshin and Hasso Tests

[Zzsark]

Not sure where a good place to put this info would be. Mathy Parts maybe? Did some small tests for new hasso/zanshin

First w/o any + zanshin gear or merits - No misses counted
36 'Double Attks' / 327 Attk Rounds ~11% (Probably 10%)

Second w/ +zanshin gear (AF3 body/Back/Aces)
63 'Double Attks' / 391 Attk Rounds ~16%

It looks fairly clear (I'm aware the test size is small) that adding +zanshin gear does up your rate, however, judging by the values that people had determined for the +zanshin on these pieces of gear its pretty safe to say that those values do not hold for the new hasso/zanshin. Otherwise my zanshin rate should've jumped up into the 20-30%ish at least. Anyone else have some numbers with and without merits, or perhaps more pieces of zanshin gear (AF3 earring & grip)? Also looking for any numbers on what we can do with counter now. Holding off swapping merits around until these numbers are nailed down.

[Byrthnoth]

Not sure where a good place to put this info would be. Mathy Parts maybe? Did some small tests for new hasso/zanshin

First w/o any + zanshin gear or merits - No misses counted
36 'Double Attks' / 327 Attk Rounds ~11% (Probably 10%)

Second w/ +zanshin gear (AF3 body/Back/Aces)
63 'Double Attks' / 391 Attk Rounds ~16%

It looks fairly clear (I'm aware the test size is small) that adding +zanshin gear does up your rate, however, judging by the values that people had determined for the +zanshin on these pieces of gear its pretty safe to say that those values do not hold for the new hasso/zanshin. Otherwise my zanshin rate should've jumped up into the 20-30%ish at least. Anyone else have some numbers with and without merits, or perhaps more pieces of zanshin gear (AF3 earring & grip)? Also looking for any numbers on what we can do with counter now. Holding off swapping merits around until these numbers are nailed down.

Okay, this is more like what I expected. I'd bet you just get Zanshin Rate/4 as DA rate with Hasso up.

[ccf]

Okay, this is more like what I expected. I'd bet you just get Zanshin Rate/4 as DA rate with Hasso up.

Hmm wondering with all this, and the 2 sec delay in ws, should i gearr for 5 hit with as much zanshin gear or just go for a haste build with some of these things. This really makes it harder to gear sam.

[Kosh]

Did a larger sample of zanshin base rate under hasso with no +zanshin or merits, DA etc.

1638 hits / 191 extra attacks

so a 13.3% proc rate, gonna get a much larger sample and see which way it edges.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I think things that rely on Ikishoten may still be killed by statistics.

If you'd normally have a 60% Zanshin rate (AF3 back, AF3+2 body) and "Zanshin DA" procs before non-Zanshin DA, and 60% Zanshin = 15% DA, then there's only a 50% chance that you "Zanshin DA" once or more out of 4 swings.

[ccf]

How does zanshin DA go with apoc atma? Do they fit into the no more than 8 attacks per round? I tried it just now but the sample is too small since we're playing with the new chainbound ability which I have to say, is a nice addition. (With sengki + af3+2 feet, it's a wonderful addition dmg bonus IMO.)

[Byrthnoth]

I think I worked out how the new "Chainbound" works: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Konzen-ittai

[Taint]

Zanshin doesn't work with DA or TA. It didn't before the update either.

[Zzsark]

Is Kparser still working? I read somewhere it was after the update but mine doesn't seem to want to.

[Zzsark]

Did a larger sample of zanshin base rate under hasso with no +zanshin or merits, DA etc.

1638 hits / 191 extra attacks

so a 13.3% proc rate, gonna get a much larger sample and see which way it edges.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that 11.66%?

[Byrthnoth]

Are you guys remembering to take out Zanshins with missed first hits?

[Slycer]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that 11.66%?

Seems like he was referring to 1638 hits, 191 of which were extra attacks, which would be 191 double attack rounds in 1447 rounds (13.2%). That's how I read it anyway, Kosh can you verify?

Also, has anyone done testing on Seigan counter rate and how it scales with Zanshin? SE made it clear in the update notes that Zanshin rate and Seigan counter rate would be directly linked, but I'm not clear if its 1:1, what the cap is, etc.

[dasva]

Anyone gunna try with Hell's gaurdian or even Nanatsusaya?

[Clash Perez]

What's the best way to set up either AutoExec or a Windower script to ensure Hasso stays on consistantly?

Looking to spend several hours testing the new Hassanshin rates.

[Karbuncle]

Curious, Though probably obvious, Does SAM Set bonus proc on the Hasso-Double-Attack-Zanshins?

I assume yes.

[Byrthnoth]

Curious, Though probably obvious, Does SAM Set bonus proc on the Hasso-Double-Attack-Zanshins?

I assume yes.

Consensus on FFXIAH is no.

[seiji]

quick testing with kikugosaku

309 mele attack, 55 extra attack, 55 +1 round, 0 +2 round

seems like doesnt proc on Hassanshin

[seiji]

double

[Kosh]

Seems like he was referring to 1638 hits, 191 of which were extra attacks, which would be 191 double attack rounds in 1447 rounds (13.2%). That's how I read it anyway, Kosh can you verify?

Yeah that's correct, sorry I should've been clearer. But yeah 1447 melee rounds, 191 of which had extra attacks.

[Zzsark]

seems like doesnt proc on Hassanshin

Not necessarily true. Back before the update I did a quick check of the OAT rate of that GK and found it to be ridiculously low like 1~2%.