Rune Chopper

[meeeeeep]

After reading the recent thread about gearing a 75 WAR, I began to start trying Rune Chopper in full time use, and I noticed that with refresh sanction only, it would gain 1 mp one tick, and lose it the next, does this also mean that the latent effect will turn on and off from one tick to the next? If so, is it even worth using full time?

[Jedimasta]

After reading the recent thread about gearing a 75 WAR, I began to start trying Rune Chopper in full time use, and I noticed that with refresh sanction only, it would gain 1 mp one tick, and lose it the next, does this also mean that the latent effect will turn on and off from one tick to the next? If so, is it even worth using full time?

I think I read in another thread that as long as you have some kind of refresh, the latent will always be active.

[The Stig]

After reading the recent thread about gearing a 75 WAR, I began to start trying Rune Chopper in full time use, and I noticed that with refresh sanction only, it would gain 1 mp one tick, and lose it the next, does this also mean that the latent effect will turn on and off from one tick to the next? If so, is it even worth using full time?

I think I read in another thread that as long as you have some kind of refresh, the latent will always be active.

I think that's false, because for Rune Axe, for example if I am on BST with Sanction Refresh/Gaudy Harness, the regen effect will kick in every other tick (once all my MP is drained). For it to kick in full time, I'll need refresh casted on me to maintain that regen.

Hope that helps, but I'm not sure in regards to the Rune Chopper.

[Jedimasta]

Yay found it.

Actually, the way Rune Chopper works is it looks for MP every tick and you get that 1 MP per tick (Even though it sucks 3 usually, you just need to have any MP at all for the haste to work) from Ares's Cuirass. So basically you can perpetuate the chopper's haste just by having Ares's Cuirass on.

I guess it's kinda of hard to explain, but with Ares's Cuirass on, you'll always have the 9% haste from chopper. No other refresh required.

[Khajit]

is that before or after refresh sanction?

[orson]

Yay found it.

Actually, the way Rune Chopper works is it looks for MP every tick and you get that 1 MP per tick (Even though it sucks 3 usually, you just need to have any MP at all for the haste to work) from Ares's Cuirass. So basically you can perpetuate the chopper's haste just by having Ares's Cuirass on.

I guess it's kinda of hard to explain, but with Ares's Cuirass on, you'll always have the 9% haste from chopper. No other refresh required.

This is actually incorrect with a 1-2 tick refresh it will only activate everything second swing or so.

Here's some tests that were done a while back on KI.

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.p...856353#2856353

[Tulun]

Or you could just ask the RDM to refresh you >.>

Since meriting is often done with one.

[The Stig]

Yay found it.

Actually, the way Rune Chopper works is it looks for MP every tick and you get that 1 MP per tick (Even though it sucks 3 usually, you just need to have any MP at all for the haste to work) from Ares's Cuirass. So basically you can perpetuate the chopper's haste just by having Ares's Cuirass on.

I guess it's kinda of hard to explain, but with Ares's Cuirass on, you'll always have the 9% haste from chopper. No other refresh required.

This is actually incorrect with a 1-2 tick refresh it will only activate everything second swing or so.

Here's some tests that were done a while back on KI.

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.p...856353#2856353

That's what I thought. As the Rune Axe's latent was easier to tell, otherwise it'd be a little tricky to test the Rune Chopper as it's a bit hard to time spell casts/swings/delay when it's every other tick that's going off.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Yay found it.

Actually, the way Rune Chopper works is it looks for MP every tick and you get that 1 MP per tick (Even though it sucks 3 usually, you just need to have any MP at all for the haste to work) from Ares's Cuirass. So basically you can perpetuate the chopper's haste just by having Ares's Cuirass on.

I guess it's kinda of hard to explain, but with Ares's Cuirass on, you'll always have the 9% haste from chopper. No other refresh required.

This is actually incorrect with a 1-2 tick refresh it will only activate everything second swing or so.

Here's some tests that were done a while back on KI.

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.p...856353#2856353

Even if it did, that would still mean you were required to TP in an Ares Cuirass.

Just have the RDM Refresh you, its not that taxing.

[Khajit]

rdms tend to get bitchy if they have to refresh a DD that doesnt have mp naturally.

[Ferien]

rdms tend to get bitchy if they have to refresh a DD that doesnt have mp naturally.

My Salvage RDM hits me with Refresh the moment he sees my MP start ticking down. I don't even have to ask for it.

[Berdysh]

Refresh Sanction, wear an Ethereal Earring and the RDM should rarely have to Refresh you. With Ares's Cuirass on top of that, you are completely self-sufficient.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Having to TP in Ares isn't worth the 9% Haste, when its as simple as having someone Refresh you.

[Maxxthepenguin]

You talk as if TPing in ares will make everything utterly terrible. Hitting hard is not a bad thing and, besides, you do get 5 acc from the choppah. That means you lose 8.75 acc over hauby (and gain 7 str, 14 atk), which is not insurmountable or DD killing or anything nearly as important as 9 fucking haste. I'd gladly sacrifice all of my stats on my bodypiece for 9 haste. 9 haste is insane. Of course blueberk changes things.

As somebody who just hit 75 RDM, I understand RDMs who don't want to add another thing into the haste/refresh cycle. It's not too bad (not near as bad as refreshing an entire party) but it's a nuisance.

[Tricen]

I do whatever a party asks me to, as a RDM.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You talk as if TPing in ares will make everything utterly terrible. Hitting hard is not a bad thing and, besides, you do get 5 acc from the choppah. That means you lose 8.75 acc over hauby (and gain 7 str, 14 atk), which is not insurmountable or DD killing or anything nearly as important as 9 fucking haste. I'd gladly sacrifice all of my stats on my bodypiece for 9 haste. 9 haste is insane. Of course blueberk changes things.

As somebody who just hit 75 RDM, I understand RDMs who don't want to add another thing into the haste/refresh cycle. It's not too bad (not near as bad as refreshing an entire party) but it's a nuisance.

I hope you don't think I was suggesting one simply doesn't use the weapon. I merely pointed out the fact that using an inferior piece of equipment because one of your party members doesn't want to participate is silly.

9% Haste is significant, 40 MP is not.

[orson]

TPing in Ares you just put the ACC in other places remember you get +9% haste you'll only need 16% in other slots. Walmart Turban, Speed Belt, and Byakko's Haidate that leaves you to put stuff like Ares hands and feet on (Hachiryu Kote even better.) Personally I think SE designs certain sets to balance with certain things so people can build differently but overall achieve similar results. You're crazy to think Ares is an inferior piece it just doesn't go with the same build as Adaberk.

[Vejitta]

If you want to count on Ares's 1mp/tick refresh you can as well count on Sanction's 1mp/tick refresh and use A Hauberk. Will give much better results imo.

Only place I'm using Rune Chopper is Dynamis Lord zerg tbh, much better than Ridill.

[Biggz]

after haste nerf rune chopper is not better than ridill.

edit: irrelevant post

[Khajit]

That's nice and all but it's widely known that rune chopper isnt as great for drk anymore. This is kinda more about properly using the weapon when a person is a WAR.