Treasures and Tribulations + Soultrapper?

[Altariel]

So I had this random idea today. Can anyone confirm that all 3 boxes in Treasures and Tribulations can have their image captured using a Soultrapper regardless of whether it is a mimic or not? I made a quick attempt at it tonight but it proved inconclusive due to only having 4 charges on my camera at the time. I don't want to re-invent the wheel if this has already been tried.

Of the 4 charges I did have, I was unable to capture the image on small box two times, unable to capture on the middle once, and did capture the big box. I ended up going with the middle box and it was a mimic. However it could be possible that the real chest was small and it did not have an image to capture but I got unlucky and just had a misfire on the camera for medium. If I were to do it again I'd get a full Soultrapper2000 and HQ plates for more info. I suppose it is also possible that for some reason only the actual box gives and image and I should have picked big. It is also very possible/probable that this doesn't work in the slightest bit.

[Enedin]

That's actually a nice idea, but I'm sure that SE wouldn't let us exploit it. Heck, even if it worked, they expect you to report it. You can choose not to, at the risk of getting banned 3 months after.

[Arthars]

so you can snap pictures on boxes?!

it would kinda be sure to say that the one u had repeated fail snaps is prolly the right box........ if only you brought enough plates to test this ; ;

i guess the best way to test this, if you wanna, is to bring shit tonnes of plates(i think 24 should be enough) and snap all 3 8 times.......or you can even do 10 shots each....and if all 3 yield 1 snap, you can kinda debunk this theory

and then comes the question: is this an exploit?

like a GM said to me before "It is ok to use ingame item/abilities to kill ingame monsters"

your using ingame item for ingame objective, i guess your safe
















maybe?

[Silenka]

Yeah like that guy who figured out how to beat the system in chocobo racing by spreadsheets and math alone and got the shit banned out of him and the whole system changed just because of him?

=/

SE is pretty ban-happy but I don't see how they could ban you for that. There is absolutely no grounds. You're not doing anything illegal. Then again, neither was the chocobo guy, so...

[Avarice]

This needs immediate testing.

[drwaffles]

Be careful, lest you go the way of the guy who got banned for reporting some PUP-related item giving its full effect in the capped Pulling the Strings ENM.

[Vodou]

If it were to work, it would be an exploit imo since I doubt SE intends for there to be a 100% simple method to avoid the mimics by using a glitch.

Using this would be easy to track I think since the camera leaves log tracks, no?

[Murdock]

This needs immediate testing.

this ^

[FailureMidgard]

If it were to work, it would be an exploit imo since I doubt SE intends for there to be a 100% simple method to avoid the mimics by using a glitch.

Using this would be easy to track I think since the camera leaves log tracks, no?

This.

The point of the BC is to go in, and have a 33.3% chance to guess correctly, and a 66.6% chance to have to fight a mimic. It is brutally obvious that this is the point of the BC. If you do this, you are -clearly- going against the intent of the developers, and regardless of what in-game mechanics you are using, it is an exploit.

[Thiefami]

Not a glitch it would be working as intended, I doubt you'd get banned for it it would simply change.

My guess is if you were to totally abuse it and go overboard. People are now quick to panic about glitches when common sense should tell a person to know one when they see one.

[Daiiawn]

Would be no different to the "cursor glitch" in golden salvage that let you find out if a chest was a mimic or not without actually aggroing it. Afaik no-one was banned for it, but it was certainly patched.

[Altariel]

It is a non-issue. Went back in this morning with ST2000 and I was able to capture images from all 3 boxes, so this method does not work. In other news at least I chose the correct box so this wasn't a total waste of 100 bseals, no sorc ring though.

[Airenn]

To keep this question going, a similar one:

Could you AppRadar this?

My mules got a fuckton of seals.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

To keep this question going, a similar one:

Could you AppRadar this?

My mules got a fuckton of seals.

No

[Airenn]

No

Lame. Oh well. Back to KCBC.

[Devek]

You should be able to beat it with just a ninja and a mage every time..

I tried to dualbox it with a ninja and a white mage only to make a stupid mistake at 40% and getting killed.. Need to play it a little more smart when it resets hate. I'll try it again later when I collect some better cap gear for my ninja. Should be a good bcnm to dualbox when you consider the cost of seals against the possible reward.

[Pyree]

If you do this, you are -clearly- going against the intent of the developers, and regardless of what in-game mechanics you are using, it is an exploit.

I don't disagree that this would be an exploit were it possible, but I just wanted to clarify that just because you go about things differently than the developers planned does not make it an exploit. In fact, that part isn't even relevant to determining if it's an exploit. An exploit is when someone is able to use a glitch to their advantage, not when they do something in a way that the developers hadn't thought of. As an example, ninjas were meant to be ranged damage dealers, but I'm glad it wasn't labeled as an exploit when they discovered they could tank using utsusemi. SE never even considered the possibility of NIN tanking, but that didn't make it an exploit because the players were still using all of their tools the way that they were intended.

[FailureMidgard]

I don't disagree that this would be an exploit were it possible, but I just wanted to clarify that just because you go about things differently than the developers planned does not make it an exploit. In fact, that part isn't even relevant to determining if it's an exploit. An exploit is when someone is able to use a glitch to their advantage, not when they do something in a way that the developers hadn't thought of. As an example, ninjas were meant to be ranged damage dealers, but I'm glad it wasn't labeled as an exploit when they discovered they could tank using utsusemi. SE never even considered the possibility of NIN tanking, but that didn't make it an exploit because the players were still using all of their tools the way that they were intended.

Yes, it is okay to do something differently than the developers planned. No game developer, anywhere, has 1 extremely specific plan for every aspect of their game. However, it is absurd to compare a ninja (or Samurai, or Red Mage, or Monk) tanking something and someone being able to cheat and bypass the entire point of this BCNM.

Personally, I don't care at all if it worked and someone did it...the BC isn't even hard to duo, you can guarantee that you get your chest, but I think it's stupid and ignorant to try to claim it isn't exploiting, in some degree.

[Pyree]

Yes, it is okay to do something differently than the developers planned. No game developer, anywhere, has 1 extremely specific plan for every aspect of their game. However, it is absurd to compare a ninja (or Samurai, or Red Mage, or Monk) tanking something and someone being able to cheat and bypass the entire point of this BCNM.

Personally, I don't care at all if it worked and someone did it...the BC isn't even hard to duo, you can guarantee that you get your chest, but I think it's stupid and ignorant to try to claim it isn't exploiting, in some degree.

Wow, you didn't read closely at all. The very first thing I said was that I didn't disagree about this being an exploit.

I was saying that the key to determining if something is an exploit or not is if it's using a glitch in game mechanics, not if it's doing something the developers didn't plan for like you originally argued.

Goddamn, someone has a sandy vagina today.

[Silenka]

Crying exploit on using soultrappers for this would be the equivalent of bitching about SMN's hate mechanics being an exploit in the Ilrusi Atoll mimic assault.

Players should not be punished for using in game items/mechanics in the way they were intended in order to gain an advantage. It's the reward for being intelligent/innovative and thinking about things. It would be absolutely fucking retarded if it had worked and SE saw it and went 'EXPLOIT, BANHAMMER NAO'. It's the way they designed soultrappers to work, and that's that.

SE encourages people to be innovative about they way they use what they're given ingame (hello Odin fight), they can't turn around and yank that away every time it actually gives players a good/easy way to do something. Well I mean, they can, but it would be incredibly petulant and childish of them.