Parents kicked son out of the house for being gay

[Kuya]

That video has been making the rounds lately so i decided to post it since it seems like a pretty good portrayal of how some lgbt people are treated by their own family. I'm not sure if it's been confirmed if the video is legit (i have my doubts since i've been burned by a few hoaxes before).

Either way, what's really sad is how common this is.

[test123]

I keep thinking that the "I was born this way" argument does fit my natural view of how things are, but on the other side, wouldn't evolution shut that whole thing down?

[Ksandra]

I keep thinking that the "I was born this way" argument does fit my natural view of how things are, but on the other side, wouldn't evolution shut that whole thing down?

1. Evolution is not always going to be done with a reason.

2. If it did want a reason, then gays make a lot of sense. As far as nature is concerned we are severely overpopulated, so this can help curb tbat.

3. Oh god, I responded to a test posts.

[Ezek]

Well, the good news is the internet banded together and raised $50k for him in a single day:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-help-him.html

[Kuya]

I keep thinking that the "I was born this way" argument does fit my natural view of how things are, but on the other side, wouldn't evolution shut that whole thing down?

The important thing is that the "i was born this way" argument isn't true just because it fits with your natural view of how things are. Furthermore, it's not even an argument.

There is research being done that seeks to explain why, if homosexuality is a genetic trait, does it continue to propagate without the need for reproduction. I don't think there's a conclusive answer yet, but you only need to understand two things:

1- If as a heterosexual, you feel are naturally inclined to feel attraction to members of the opposite sex, then it's perfectly plausible to believe that other sexual orientations, such as homosexuality and bisexuality, are just as innate as your own.

2-Homosexual behavior is rife in nature, so you don't need science to explain to you why homosexuality continues to exist despite evolution, since you can see for yourself that homosexuality doesn't just exist in humans.

Also, homosexuality doesn't have to be innate in order to be respected and treated as normal. Religion and political views are choices that are protected by law.

[test123]

2. If it did want a reason, then gays make a lot of sense. As far as nature is concerned we are severely overpopulated, so this can help curb tbat.

So nature has figured out that the planet is overpopulated and is now producing gay babies?

[Ksandra]

So nature has figured out that the planet is overpopulated and is now producing gay babies?

Way to miss bullet 1, chief.

[Smokie]

Here we go again...

[chiyio]

I keep thinking that the "I was born this way" argument does fit my natural view of how things are, but on the other side, wouldn't evolution shut that whole thing down?

Learn how evolution actually works. They have pretty much explained how homosexuality fits into evolution. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not understood. There isn't just natural selection, but also sexual and group selection. If a homosexual person helps people closely related to him/her be more likely to raise children to sexual maturity, there's no pressure to get rid of the genes that might cause homosexuality.

You should look into modern evolutionary psychology, it explains all of this stuff in great detail.

[ringthree]

"I have gay friends" is the new "I have black friends".

[Kuya]

evolutionary psychology, .

[test123]

If a homosexual person helps people closely related to him/her be more likely to raise children to sexual maturity, there's no pressure to get rid of the genes that might cause homosexuality.

So gay genes are preserved through siblings that get babies? Does that mean that we all carry the gene but it is only activated in a few of us?

[Kuya]

Nobody knows. There's no conclusive answer to your question yet.

[Callisto]

It's definitely true, you're already at least half gay genetically

[chiyio]

Not sure what the point of your post is Kuya? My guess is you either don't like or aren't comfortable with something that evolutionary psychology suggests is how human nature actually works, or you haven't actually studied it much. I guess it could be both.

[test123]

It's definitely true, you're already at least half gay genetically

So when nature figures out you live in an overpopulated area as Ksandra claims, the gene is activated? Does this mean that nature is against gay people having babies?

[Ksandra]

So when nature figures out you live in an overpopulated area as Ksandra claims,

I said IF

IF, you ding bat.

As kuya said there are no answers yet.

With that said, in nature, sometimes when communities are overcrowded, there are links to an increase rise in babies that are born sterile. It is not out of the realm of possibility this could also lead to a rise in homosexuality. But again we don't have the answers.

Not everything in nature happens for a reason.

[hey]

So when nature figures out you live in an overpopulated area as Ksandra claims, the gene is activated? Does this mean that nature is against gay people having babies?

Nature doesn't figure anything out. Nature isn't a living thing.

[Kuya]

Not sure what the point of your post is Kuya? My guess is you either don't like or aren't comfortable with something that evolutionary psychology suggests is how human nature actually works, or you haven't actually studied it much. I guess it could be both.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology

It's usually bad science.

[archibaldcrane]

The "if we don't know -why- people are gay, then people aren't really gay" argument always baffles me.