Skillchains and Emnity

[shaggnix]

couple quick questions, a few of my long held assumptions have been challenged, so i come to the experts on such things seeking clarification:

Do skillchains generate any emnity at all?

If they do, will the emnity generated from a trick attacked WS also be transferred to the trick attack target player or the thf (or /thf)?

Again, assuming SCs generate emnity, do SCs closed by Coronach/Namas generate full emnity (as opposed to low static emnity the WS generates, still subject to emnity +/- from gear/aftermath)?

[Byrthnoth]

This is s little hard to test, but my impression has always been that they do and the enmity is transferred. Would like to see the test done though.

[Spira]

i seemed to remember that they didnt. but im basing it on really old anecdotes of PUP with automaton skillchaining Light using like 0 dmg magic mortars.
it is pretty hard to test.. but if it means anything to this debate.. enspell damage doesn't give enmity right?

[dasva]

Part of what makes it hard to test other than the fact you have a couple of people dealing dmg is we don't really have update dmg enmity formulas. I'd do it but I'd need my other mule back... I do have access to a friends account so once I level up something useful I could probably test it.

And while I don't think I ever saw testing on it I remember endmg not counting towards enmity. Something about excals huge dmg not helping or something

[Byrthnoth]

Okay, idea. Take a trust and go SAM/THF to do this:
* Aggro something -> Sekkanoki -> High damage WS -> TA Medium damage WS on Trust -> Skillchain

Even if we don't know an enmity formula, we know it's proportional to the damage dealt so you can assume that if the monster attacks the trust after the second WS then skillchains have enmity and it does transfer.

[Karizo]

when I do Marjami on RNG, I would often pull hate even when spamming coronach due to skillchain damage. so for part of the question, I think they do generate enmity and for the case of coronach, it is not affected by coronach's special enmity down property. SC damage is treated as its own entity.

can't say for TA though =P

[shaggnix]

when I do Marjami on RNG, I would often pull hate even when spamming coronach due to skillchain damage. so for part of the question, I think they do generate enmity and for the case of coronach, it is not affected by coronach's special enmity down property. SC damage is treated as its own entity.

can't say for TA though =P

My experiences in delve2s with anni also make me think the same, but others seem just as sure that this is not the case. Rather than have a drawn out eyeballing/if memory serves/"but i feel that..." I figured I'd ask here. If i had sam lv'd i'd try byrths test when i get home from work. Mostly, this would greatly change the way I play anni rng if SC dmg ended up being emnity free.

[Malithar]

I would often pull hate even when spamming coronach due to skillchain damage.

Completely eye balling and unscientific, but I'd agree for the same reason. Occasionally my group will do a fight with a single Rng just cause people aren't on, and he doesn't start pulling hate until near the end, if at all. Dual Rng though and suddenly you get the mob running back mid fight.

[Kyte]

Also very eyebally, but I remember Corsairs pulling hate when Skillchaining with Wildfire--->Wildfire despite the WS generating low enmity.

[dasva]

Also very eyebally, but I remember Corsairs pulling hate when Skillchaining with Wildfire--->Wildfire despite the WS generating low enmity.

Well it's only -10% at 1000 tp... though all magical ws deal less enmity than a physical one for the same dmg

[Kyte]

I'm aware- but a large portion of the WS's damage pre-SoA was through MAB and Affinity, making the portion subject to enmity generation small even without the -10%.

[Ihina]

Shouldn't be that hard to test.

When you TA, all enmity is transferred to the TA partner, including DA/TA proc and offhand hit. If a skillchain is generated, the skillchain damage will also go to the TA partner. You can test this by having someone open a skillchain for you, close to TAWS, then have them zone/warp. The mob will despawn/deaggro.

Whether the skillchain itself generates enmity, that should be easy to test with Libra.

I did a skillchain and used Libra to test the enmity. Skullbreaker > Shadowstitch = Frag

WHM melee damage = 80
WHM skullbreaker = 63
TAShadowstitch = 852
Frag = 413 (?)

THF melee damage = 2349 (+10%)

Disengage, hit Libra. Stoneskin/Blink up on everyone so no damage was taken. Libra read 52%/100%

WHM enmity => 80 + 63 + 852 + 413 = 1408
Then -15enm from gear/merits.

THF Enmity
2349 * 1.1 = 2583 (+10enm from gear/merits)
2583 / 100 = 25.83
25.83*52 = 1343

Basically, if you take the WHM's -enm gear to only affect the WHM's melee and the WHM's WS damage, and no enmity +/- from either player to affect the TAShadowstitch/skillchain damage, you get 1386. Given that the WHM engaged first, the difference in enmity could be due to an extra tick of hate decay.

If you don't buy the fact that no enmity +/- affects the TAWS/skillchain damage, 1343 and 1408 really aren't that far off from one another either.
If you discount the Frag damage all together, you get 1343 vs 1058.