Gration

[Starr]

I know I could just buy Tatami but knowing that I can kill the NM for it I'd rather do it for the fun and feel like I've earned it rather than farm mindlessly for the gil. I farmed lumbers 3 lumbers in 2hr 45min as THF 75 killing 100s of Gigas with TH2, shit drop rate, and got an NQ shield made but I'm gonna get some more and try for HQ.
Now the fight, I was wondering if it could be melee burned? If so how hard/easy? I'd be able to get a PT of BRD, BRD, MNK, WAR, WAR, WAR then another with a NIN, 2 BLMs, a THF or 2 and RDMs from my ls (only about 15 people in ls) but would that be too little to kill it before it kills us? I heard it can't be stunned, this is true? I heard it has fast cast too so WS might not be able to interupt Thundaga 3. I know it can be solo/duod by RDM/BLM/whatever but I don't wanna waste 2hrs of someones time and would rather burn it down fast as possible. If you've melee burned it please say how many melee you think I'll need and what it's DEF/Evasion is like.

[bebeci]

Melee's effectiveness is cut down 50%, because every job will be intimidated. Even RDMs soloing this will have problems, since they can't land Bio II or Poison II on it (interrupted due to intimidation).

Throw in enhanced tp moves, unstunable, and -ga magic spells. I would imagine that a small number of people melee burning this would difficult.

[Starr]

Melee's effectiveness is cut down 50%, because every job will be intimidated.

Oh yeah >< How long would it take to kill with NIN kitiing and 3 BLMs as damage? With RDM for Gravity and DoT.

[Annihilator]

PLD would have an easier time kiting this, since hate hold is better and any non retarded kiter should be able to stay out of spell range at least 95% of the time, so shadows are irrelevant

If you have melees, have them get tp on surrounding mobs, SC on gration and have your blm's MB on it, and free nuke when no SC are ready as long as the kiter has hate

[Wulfgang]

Like 45 minutes. Honestly if you have any RNG friends, I would borrow them since ranged attacks cannot be intimidated and RNG does ill dmg on it to begin with. Ive killed Gration a few times as BLM RNG RNG RDM WHM in like 30 minutes. Both RNGs with +12% movement.

[Raineer]

Like 45 minutes. Honestly if you have any RNG friends, I would borrow them since ranged attacks cannot be intimidated and RNG does ill dmg on it to begin with. Ive killed Gration a few times as BLM RNG RNG RDM WHM in like 30 minutes. Both RNGs with +12% movement.

Sounds like the win, seriously the intimidation thing is stupidly broken. I'd say a 50% cut is being generous.

[bebeci]

Forgot to mention that kiting is the best method. Abuse that mob pathing!

Shadows are nice. you can stay in one spot, and let people do their thing while it's casting Thunder IV. But PLDs do have w.legs. Up to you, I suppose.

[Starr]

Yeah I know a W legs RNG that can help, so 3 BLM, RNG and WAR+MNK can TP on other mobs and engage only to WS when it's casting single target spell would work?

[shihei]

kite fight like everyone said
have your melees build tp on too weak mobs and just ws gration and then run the hell away

[Sidanoir]

Solo as RDM took me like 1.5 hours...during which he went yellow like 10 times...one time took about 15 casts to reclaim him thought he was gonna regen..was kinda fun but annoying..

For me I basically dotted him to death and nuked him during thunder IV or burst...too bad most times i was intimidated :/
Throw in a few RNGs or even BLMs or another RDM you can cut that time drastically

Melee is not way to go on this dude due to intimdation rate and the fact that his spells and WS own...ranged damage only

RNG as was said is great cause no intimidation..

And oh yeah 12% movement is always a plus

[SamanosukeShiva]

killed this with RDM MNK SAM.

RDM gravity, MNK voke and chiblasts, and SAM get TP off the surrounding mobs and WS on Gration.

really easy fight, killed in 35 min, this was before the SAM hasso/seigan update.

edit: In my opinion /THF melee is more effective than BLM for this NM, Spells can be intimidated, WS can't. The "Intimidate" is more of a positive factor for me, because you can engage, SA, follow the mob from behind and WS when it stops without worrying about your SA going off.

for the record 100-150 TP Tachi: Gekko with hagun does about 900-1000+ damage to gration, and getting TP is really easy from surrounding mobs.

[Sidanoir]

killed this with RDM MNK SAM.

RDM gravity, MNK voke and chiblasts, and SAM get TP off the surrounding mobs and WS on Gration.

really easy fight, killed in 35 min, this was before the SAM hasso/seigan update.

edit: In my opinion /THF melee is more effective than BLM for this NM, Spells can be intimidated, WS can't.

Ya SAM/THF could work good, so could other /THF if they tp on the nub mobs nearby.
Just hope the sam and mnk were ready to run
Personally I have only done with RNG/BLM help to help others get shield...and of course when LS actually does it we have all sorts of job

[Missnasty]

I just thought of this right now but couldn't you like drag nearby mobs close to Gration and use AoE spells on those mobs and hit him as well? Might be hard to coordinate which is probably why no one does it but it could work and help BLMs contribute to the fight a bit better.

[SamanosukeShiva]

Hmm pretty good idea, though being close to Gration means opening chance of getting hit by his AoE, which hurts a lot. May want to ask SMN or BST to atk a TW mob then direct it to gration.

[bebeci]

Hmm pretty good idea, though being close to Gration means opening chance of getting hit by his AoE, which hurts a lot. May want to ask SMN or BST to atk a TW mob then direct it to gration.

BST pets are a bit dumb. It'll go after the mob that has the most hate. Basically, if you want that scenario to work out, BST pet attacks TW mob, then BST pet attacks Gration. Then you hope that the TW mob doesn't hit the BST pet (cause the BST pet will stop trying to attack Gration).

[Bakthi]

I've heard that Absorb-CHR can cut down the intimidation quite a bit, which would give people a reason to actually buy this spell. I've only actually had a DRK present for this fight once, so I can't really comment on its effectiveness; this is hearsay from someone who fought Gration several times with small groups.

[Jeryhn]

I've heard that Absorb-CHR can cut down the intimidation quite a bit, which would give people a reason to actually buy this spell.

Except for the fact that Gration can intimidate Absorb-CHR.

lol

[Starr]

Thanks a lot, gonna try it with BLM main damage, melee TP on TW and WS -> Disengage.

[thestalkmore]

Melee's effectiveness is cut down 50%, because every job will be intimidated. Even RDMs soloing this will have problems, since they can't land Bio II or Poison II on it (interrupted due to intimidation).

Throw in enhanced tp moves, unstunable, and -ga magic spells. I would imagine that a small number of people melee burning this would difficult.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2154/grationyf8.jpg

wut?

[aurik]

I don't see you melee burning it thar.

Chi, ranged, and summoner damage is really best on him. I bet SAM/RNG would actually be pretty hot.