Beastmen's Seal Drop Rate?

[Rionel]

Hey again BG! Forgive me if this is a kind of a stale question but...

When you're hunting for Beastmen's Seals, I know that they only drop if what you're fighting is at least Easy Prey or higher (aka, gives EXP). FFXIclopedia says it's drop rate is about 5~10%(http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Beastmen%27s_Seal), but it's FFXIclopedia so I'm not really sure if it's true or not ^^; so I'd like to ask:

- Is the drop rate about 5-10% or have you experienced something different?
- Does the difficulty of the monster affect the drop rate of the seals (e.g., incredibly tough mobs drop seals more often than easy prey mobs)?
- Does treasure hunter affect the rate of Beastmen's Seal drops (if you have any other idea of what might increase the drop rate, please mention it)?

I was planning on farming seals in the beginner Promyvions with my friend and sister so, that's what brought this question up (Gah, I hope Beastmen's Seals can drop in Promyvion?! I worry too much...).

Anyways, I'd be grateful if people could send a response. /bow Forgive me if this question is a bit too old/already been too discussed; I apologize in advance.

[Zilong]

Lootparsing my merit parties seem to indicate that 5-10% is a decent estimate.

Ask a BST to clarify though, they tend to have a lot of experience on those.

[Hitsuka]

Hello!

I dont know the percentage of the drop rate in general but I get a lot of seal while exp'ing Low Lv Job
(ok.. the drop rate is not that great but still pretty decent.)

- by rushing a lot of Easy Pray Mobs [so, the difficulty of the monster DOES NOT affect the drop rate]
- when solo-farming stuff as NIN
- etc etc..

(Gah, I hope Beastmen's Seals can drop in Promyvion?! Another worrysome question).

Yes, Beastmen's Seals do drop in Promyvions!

I hope that will help ^^;

[Marsala]

I have about a 35% drop rate on solo BLM from eyeballing it. I get a lot of KS and BS while soloing puddings.

[leviathanertai]

5-10% sounds about correct on seals. I solo'd (well, PL'd) my SAM from 50-56 so I could catch up with a friend of mine, fighting T-VT demons and ended up walking away with generally about 8-10 seals per session. Each time I xp'd I got about 7k xp, and each mob gave an average of 150xp, so 7000 / 150 = ~46 mobs. 46 / 9 = ~5% of the mobs.

Also a side note, at around 55, I was getting about 1 KS for every 4 BS on average (generally got 2-3 for each 7k xp)...wondering how the drops correlate. I'm fairly certain a given mob can't give both a KS and a BS, but would the drop rate be 5-10% for seals (shared percentage), or 5-10% for Beastman and 5-10% (or whatever number) for Kindred?

[CelinaAlexander]

5-10% sounds about correct on seals. I solo'd (well, PL'd) my SAM from 50-56 so I could catch up with a friend of mine, fighting T-VT demons and ended up walking away with generally about 8-10 seals per session. Each time I xp'd I got about 7k xp, and each mob gave an average of 150xp, so 7000 / 150 = ~46 mobs. 46 / 9 = ~5% of the mobs.

Also a side note, at around 55, I was getting about 1 KS for every 4 BS on average (generally got 2-3 for each 7k xp)...wondering how the drops correlate. I'm fairly certain a given mob can't give both a KS and a BS, but would the drop rate be 5-10% for seals (shared percentage), or 5-10% for Beastman and 5-10% (or whatever number) for Kindred?

Methinks your math is off

[Lokim]

I think this has been posted before, but seals don't work off of a straight percentage drop rate, at least not in parties. No matter how many mobs you kill you'll never get more than 1 BS or KS in a five minute window. This explains the varying percentages in this thread since a merit party kills a lot more total mobs than a solo BLM would but that benefit is largely neutralized by the timer.

I'll see if I can dig up some screenshots, but we tested this in a linkshell merit party a few months back. Once a seal entered into the treasure pool we would immediately lot it out and then watch for the next one to drop. Without exception we never got a seal in less than five minutes and usually got them very quickly (within 20 seconds) after the five minute timer had expired.

I suspect that this timer is attached to your treasure pool, though we didn't do any specific tests to prove this. Hopefully a couple of the other folks in the party will come in and back me up on this! (Grifter, Juliano, I'm looking at you!)

[Lexa]

Higher level of mobs does not = higher droprate, IMO. I've been lvling lowbie jobs (DNC COR RNG) from 1-10. DNC can kill an EM. COR gets raped if I attempt a DC, so only kills EP. All jobs have yielded about the same amount of beastman's seals.

[OctavoGilgamesh]

I think this has been posted before, but seals don't work off of a straight percentage drop rate, at least not in parties. No matter how many mobs you kill you'll never get more than 1 BS or KS in a five minute window. This explains the varying percentages in this thread since a merit party kills a lot more total mobs than a solo BLM would but that benefit is largely neutralized by the timer.

I'll see if I can dig up some screenshots, but we tested this in a linkshell merit party a few months back. Once a seal entered into the treasure pool we would immediately lot it out and then watch for the next one to drop. Without exception we never got a seal in less than five minutes and usually got them very quickly (within 20 seconds) after the five minute timer had expired.

I suspect that this timer is attached to your treasure pool, though we didn't do any specific tests to prove this. Hopefully a couple of the other folks in the party will come in and back me up on this! (Grifter, Juliano, I'm looking at you!)

I would love to see some more proof on this 5 min theory. I am pretty sure I have gotten ks's on back to back mobs before, and there is a screenshot somewhere that shows multiple bs's or ks's in a treasure pool. Another interesting comment was that you can't have both a bs and a ks off the same mob. This I'm pretty sure is true, but I never really thought of it.

[Vygun]

Pretty sure if your in an alliance treasure pool can hold more than one. Not sure if its 6 people+ or just 2 seperate parties, but as far as single party goes I have never seen more than one seal in treasure pool. I do a lot of soloing for ks or bs and I'm inclinded to agree with a 5-6 min timer between drops.

edit: I don't think its an exact timer, but more of a 5-6 min have to pass and then it has a chance of dropping. Not always exactly on.

[Julian]

I think this has been posted before, but seals don't work off of a straight percentage drop rate, at least not in parties. No matter how many mobs you kill you'll never get more than 1 BS or KS in a five minute window. This explains the varying percentages in this thread since a merit party kills a lot more total mobs than a solo BLM would but that benefit is largely neutralized by the timer.

I'll see if I can dig up some screenshots, but we tested this in a linkshell merit party a few months back. Once a seal entered into the treasure pool we would immediately lot it out and then watch for the next one to drop. Without exception we never got a seal in less than five minutes and usually got them very quickly (within 20 seconds) after the five minute timer had expired.

I suspect that this timer is attached to your treasure pool, though we didn't do any specific tests to prove this. Hopefully a couple of the other folks in the party will come in and back me up on this! (Grifter, Juliano, I'm looking at you!)

This is true, I don't have any screenshot proof readily available (20gigs of screenshot son my hd <.<) but I remember testing this.

Our test worked like this:

Every time a seal would be distributed (after being in the pool for 5 min) another seal would drop within 1-3 mobs, always.

Now, we were wondering, maybe if we lot the seal out so it's not in the treasure pool, another seal would drop once it's gone?

That was proven false, every time we did it another seal would always drop only 5min after the first one dropped, meaning it's based on when it dropped, not whether it's in the pool or not.

Alliances break this a bit, not sure how, but I'm assuming each party has their own 5min timer.

[Lokim]

I do a lot of soloing for ks or bs and I'm inclinded to agree with a 5-6 min timer between drops.

I think the variation is because there's still a percentage drop rate on the seals. After five minutes pass any kill from that point forward it allowed to put a seal in the treasure pool just like any other drop, but there's still a chance it won't load a seal.

That's why it mostly dropped right on the five minute mark for us, but sometimes it would take a kill or three before it happened.

Alliances break this a bit, not sure how, but I'm assuming each party has their own 5min timer.

I tend to agree with Julian's assessment.

[Rionel]

Thank you all for the responses. They've all been very helpful! Though now that I think of that 5 minute timer thing... let me show the example:

Situation #1:

Party members Rio, Nao and Flo, are all partied together.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for the entire party.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 1

Situation #2:

Rio, Nao and Flo are all soloing.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for EACH of them, since they are all separated now.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 3

Hopefully, that sounds viable...

[MarkM.]

I think there is no set % for seals, regardless of how a mob cons, as long as its ep or higher. I know of a place that I can go get about a 50% drop rate on seals, that I found when leveling bst. But then again, I've gone over a week with seeing about 5 seals drop. (Side note: I hate meriting/xping.) So I would have to say, just go kill easy preys solo, you are more likely to get seals that way.

[Rafike]

I know of a place that I can go get about a 50% drop rate on seals

And where might said magical seal camp be?

[Lokim]

Situation #1:

Party members Rio, Nao and Flo, are all partied together.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for the entire party.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 1

Situation #2:

Rio, Nao and Flo are all soloing.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for EACH of them, since they are all separated now.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 3

That is what I assume would happen, but the only way to test if for sure is to find something you can solo as quickly as a merit party does.

The reason nobody noticed the 5 minute timer is because, until ToAU, most parties didn't kill fast enough for the timer to be obvious. A traditional party used to kill a mob a minute if they were good, and if you assume there's some sort of drop rate for seals (say 30%) you wouldn't be surprised to go 3 or 4 kills without seeing a seal. At 1 minute a piece you're looking at a seal every 5-9 minutes, which isn't something you'd notice.

With merit parties, though, you're killing a mob every 15 seconds or so, which means odds are you'll get a seal within 5-6 minutes without fail. That's what makes the timer so obvious now.

[Rionel]

Situation #1:

Party members Rio, Nao and Flo, are all partied together.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for the entire party.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 1

Situation #2:

Rio, Nao and Flo are all soloing.

1 beastmen's seal drops every 5 minutes for EACH of them, since they are all separated now.

Total seals per 5-6 minutes: 3

That is what I assume would happen, but the only way to test if for sure is to find something you can solo as quickly as a merit party does.

The reason nobody noticed the 5 minute timer is because, until ToAU, most parties didn't kill fast enough for the timer to be obvious. A traditional party used to kill a mob a minute if they were good, and if you assume there's some sort of drop rate for seals (say 30%) you wouldn't be surprised to go 3 or 4 kills without seeing a seal. At 1 minute a piece you're looking at a seal every 5-9 minutes, which isn't something you'd notice.

With merit parties, though, you're killing a mob every 15 seconds or so, which means odds are you'll get a seal within 5-6 minutes without fail. That's what makes the timer so obvious now.

Oh yes! Of course. We'll be killing EPs in Promyvions on the first floor/second floor since fighting Easy Preys at level 30 is a lot faster than level 75 (so I'd assume? Overall dmg to HP ratio is much easier for level 30) plus, you stay capped at 30 so them becoming too weak because you've leveled won't be a problem, right?

[Tythera]

Once you get above the cap, if you're not on merit, you start to take a hit in XP per mob and I believe it goes all the way to 50% normal XP eventually. Exact #s on how much you lose per level or anything like that I dunno.

[Fryte]

Today, I was farming seals in an alliance with my 2 box and got 2 seals to drop back to back and were in the treasure pool at the same time. (2 person alliance.)

[aurik]

Today, I was farming seals in an alliance with my 2 box and got 2 seals to drop back to back and were in the treasure pool at the same time. (2 person alliance.)

Did the same person get killshot on both mobs?