WS - Warrior and some random questions II: electric boogaloo

[coeurlmaster]

Please don't take my post count into consideration, but any multi hit WS has a chance to DA any number of times up to 8 total hits. Look through the DRK threads talking about guillotine DAing more than once. Look at Asuran Fists never DAing at all. Multi-hit WS's cap at 8 total hits. So for 3-hit ws, RR etc. can hit up to 6 times, one DA per normal hit, albeit like 0.001% chance, but it can happen.

Typical rampage TP returns can vary dramatically. I really don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned it, but typical return per axe is actually more than 6% per hit(with brutal/rajas). In other words 13 TP return for the first two hits, (main/off hands) is typical.

So rampage goes as follows: Axe/Axe (Woodville's/Maneater)

less than 16%, missed one or more hits
16-17% Normal TP (counting brutal/rajas)
18 Typically 2 DA
19 3 Double attack, with capped acc and 20% DA rate, around a 3.5% chance to triple DA and land all 3 DA's.
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/16428.html#cutid1 Refer to that link (ruke's LJ) for the data supporting this.
20 Extremely rare, occurs only under the 13 TP first two hits and triple DA. This is where you can see wars doing 1500-1800 rampages in dbl brd merit parties

This has been noticed from almost all of my 300 merits played on my warrior. You can, and will DA more than twice on rampage although rare, it does happen, thus WEAPONSKILL ACCURACY IS KEY.

~Coe

Edit: wow...didn't realize how old this post was, was searching through forums for something and found this >.> my apologies

[Mod edit]: Split from necrobump, subject fixed.

[Kirschy]

This has been noticed from almost all of my 300 merits played on my warrior. You can, and will DA more than twice on rampage although rare, it does happen, thus WEAPONSKILL ACCURACY IS KEY.

I'm not sure if you meant this for the other thread or not. But if you're referring to a Warrior dual wielding while using Rampage(which accounts for majority), it wouldn't be able to DA motr than twice by your own logic.

5-hit WS + 1 Off Hand from dual wield = 6 hits normal. It would only be able to DA twice before hitting the 8-hit cap.

I still don't know where the other thread is, but there was speculation that 2H weapon skills followed a different DA pattern than single or dualwielding /w 1H weapon skills. Unfortantely it's very hard to get concrete evidence one way or another. That rare time you see a weird TP return could have other explanations.

[Aragon of Odin]

I remember seeing a few threads on this before, but since my Warrior is almost 75 now, I thought I'd ask again~ For merit PT, what will be best to use on legs during WS?

I have a standard endgame setup /w 6axe & 6sword for merits.

Axe/Ridill(sushi) setup... War AF2/Hecatomb/Byakko's for WS?

Axe/Axe(meat) setup... War AF2/Hecatomb/Byakko's for WS?

Even though you don't have em listed, IMO, Ares Flanchard would be the best for WS other than maybe a sword/sword build.

Edit: Lol just realized I just replied to an almost year old topic

[Kirschy]

Yea I currently use Ares Legs for WS, and I've been happy /w the results.

[Max™]

For Crit WS, I'd only replace Haidate with Are's, but I'm a whore for Dex+Meat+Minuets.
For Steel and such, I'd only use Haidate if agg was down, it wasn't SA'd, and the mob was like a bitchy Roc that keeps spamming eva buffs.

Also: I do not believe that RR can DA more than twice, I've gotten TP returns that look at first like a 3x DA (18% normal, 21% looking like 3 doubles), but I get them a lot, especially with Warrior's Charge, and it's just store TP rounding.

I could swear that the Guillo hitting more than 6 times was confusing from Store TP carrying over (addition hits aren't 1.0, they're 1.x modified by your store TP), and 20% is a normal DA for me.

I've done several hundred RR's in one sitting, and thousands since the Crit TP change, plus tossing them around to SC or for a change from Steel before the 2h buff, and never, ever, ever seen 22% Return in all my time as a War/Sam.

Same with /Dnc or /Thf or whatever, 16% being normal, I've seen 17% and 18%, nary a 19%.

[Obev]

I knew you were insane at maximising gear setups but what kind of Acc gear are you stacking to get that much? I'd love to get my THF over +50 Acc since I usually end up Mid-70s in a parse and more is always better.

If it's at MJSP, depending on how many Puks you pull, "mid-70s" is actually a lot higher. Puks fuck up accuracy incredibly with Obfuscate spam.

[isladar]

Split from the accidentally necro-bump'd topic as it has produced some good responses.

[coeurlmaster]

As far as I know, the offhand hit while dual-wielding doesn't count towards the 8 total hits. Which is probably why everyone describes full TP rampages not counting store TP rounding as 16%. (12 from main/off hand then 4 additional hits)

Take into account why the 20% TP rampage is so rare, in the fact you first have to have the 13 TP first two hits happen, then the 5% chance of triple DAing in the first place, then the 3.5% of landing the 3 DA attacks, not taking into account the fact you have to land all 5 other hits as well.

I plan to take my war out meriting tonight anyway, and haven't used axe/axe in awhile, mostly manny/joytoy. I do seem to find the numbers usually add up. A 19% rampage is common enough, whether from a store TP 1 DA rampage or 2x dbl atk it works outs to about ~5%.

Oh, forgot to mention I use suppa during tp, macro out for WS.

[Ferien]

The offhand definitely counts towards the limit.

[coeurlmaster]

Hmm, really? Then maybe I'm mistaken remembering seeing 20 tp rampages, or is there something else to explain that?

(And technically rampage still can triple DA just can't be dual-weilding at the time lol)

[Starr]

Rampage with dual wield can only double attack twice, capping at 8 hits.

[Therin]

Hmm, really? Then maybe I'm mistaken remembering seeing 20 tp rampages, or is there something else to explain that?

Rajas.

[Valyana]

I could swear that the Guillo hitting more than 6 times was confusing from Store TP carrying over (addition hits aren't 1.0, they're 1.x modified by your store TP).

That's been my conclusion, too. Spamming RR on Fortifications in Necropolis as WAR/SAM + Rajas/Brutal I see a lot of 18% RRs, somewhat fewer 20% RRs, and the occasional 21% RR, but never 19%.

13.7*1.21 = 16.5 TP/hit
1.0*1.21 = 1.2/extra hit

16.5 + 2*1.2 = 18.8
16.5 + 3*1.2 = 20.1
16.5 + 4*1.2 = 21.3

I've never seen a 22% RR either. But if it's possible, it only has a 0.5% chance of happening with capped acc and my 19% DA.

[coeurlmaster]

Ok that seems reasonable then, thought I might've been mistaken. <3 My rajas/brutal :D