Pachipachio

[eva00r]

Pachipachio Rare
(Great Katana) All Races
DMG: 82 Delay: 480 Accuracy -6
Attack +12
"Store TP" +2
Lv. 75 SAM

1) - Does this GK worth 10M ?
2) - Can anyone make a mathcraft 5 hits pachipachio vs 6 hits hagun please?
3) - Is there a possibility that you can solo skillchain with just meditate and 5 hits build ? (no sekkanoki)

Thanks.

[Tomiko]

3) - Is there a possibility that you can solo skillchain with just meditate and 5 hits build ? (no sekkanoki)

Sub Drg. You can self-sc at 30 with it (Meditate > WS > Jump > 1 melee hit > WS)

[Drex]

I've been playing with and parsing mine against hagun for a while now, and I'm no math pro but I'll do my best to answer.

1) Definitely not for the damage. Hagun 6-hit outparses pachi 5-hit, albeit not by a lot.

2) I parsed out about +120 WS damage/ws on hagun (818.4) over pachi (698.0), and pachi (97.9) beat hagun (87.08) by 10 damage per melee hit (all on greater colibri).

I'm only so-so on math so I don't really want to delve into it too much, but the problem arises from adding meditate into the works, since meditate strongly favors hagun over pachi due to the free WS damage. Each meditate gives hagun +120 damage, and if you have AF head and AF2 hands, it's another half a WS, or +60 more damage over pachi. Also, hagun has the delay advantage, so while it only takes 5 hits for pachi to get 100 tp, 6 hits from hagun comes pretty close in real-time.

I also give up dusk gloves (3% haste) to maintain 5 hit with hachiman kote because I don't have usu body.

I did make an alla post hoping for some math on 5 hit pachi vs. 6 hit hagun, and you can see it here. Milich had some good info to offer, and it looked like solid math to me (but like I said, I'm no math genius).

3) With jumps, easily. With just hastes, marches, and hasso, it's a lot harder. I haven't tried too hard really so I'm not sure here, I'll pay around with it, but I definitely can't without at least haste spell.

tl;dr - getting 20 tp/hit is very fun. As far as my gear goes (usu feet but no body), hagun wins by a little bit, and pachi falls somewhere below hagun, but above soboro, ushi, onimaru, etc. for meritting. If I had an usu body (and could therefore 5-hit in dusk gloves), the results might be different, but I doubt it.

Either way, at least it looks cool.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...803_214811.png

[Jakson]

I'm reminded of somebody's comment about why people go for Denali Bonnet instead of W. Turban. They're tired of the turban look. I want to see this thing work with Usu body/dusk gloves just because I'm tired of seeing Haguns, or not seeing Haguns when I know one should be there.

[eva00r]

I'm thinking about the new 3hits GK WS ... If it doesn't give huge damage bonus vs TP ... pachipachio would rock.

[Starr]

It's 3 hit for sure or "it looks like 3 hit"? Mercy Stroke etc

[Lyramion]

It's 3 hit for sure or "it looks like 3 hit"? Mercy Stroke etc

It´s not sure - but the preview for DRG WS showed it described as true 4 hit weaponskill. Breaking with the "tradition" of multihitlookalike relicweaponskills being 1 hit only. So there is a good chance it actually is a 3 hitter.

[Starr]

lol maybe I won't have to buy a hagun for my mule :D

[FailureMidgard]

I agree that Hagun is superior at the moment, though the math there is not quite accurate (and is actually more in favor of Pachi than Hagun). The 6 accuracy loss is actually a pretty big factor being ignored (unless your gear actually has acc past cap).

Anyway, the math is sufficient to "prove" Hagun should out-damage Pachi, as even when you present a best-case scenario for Pachi, Hagun still comes out ahead.

[Zosi]

If you want something that isn't a Hagun, but kinda sorta parses close and looks different, save yourself 9.95m and buy an Onimaru.

[Starr]

If new WS was 3 hit with TP->Acc or Crit and it produced a higher average and max WS than Y/G/K which GKT would then be best? Onimaru at a guess with Ushi coming next?

[Wolfknight]

I agree that Hagun is superior at the moment, though the math there is not quite accurate (and is actually more in favor of Pachi than Hagun). The 6 accuracy loss is actually a pretty big factor being ignored (unless your gear actually has acc past cap).

Anyway, the math is sufficient to "prove" Hagun should out-damage Pachi, as even when you present a best-case scenario for Pachi, Hagun still comes out ahead.

yea I agree, I mean if pachi was cheaper would be a decent alt to hagun, since I assume it would beat onimaru but it costing more than hagun is just silly/stupid, and not worth it.