Hyubayu (Phoenix) to Titan Server

[Akisu]

This comes with some shock, as everyone knows Hyu around here as a friendly, kind and helpful taru. This is what we're rather sure happened, as there are few unknowns, but giving a general warning none the less to Titan server.

Hyubayu was loaned a Kyudogi by a LS member to mess around with durring a Nyzul run, however he had a connection lost durring the run. No one thought anything of this, as usually when I'm leading events, I have to mark him down as partialy absent for d/cing halfway through a dynamis, or a sea run, etc... a few days pass, and another member tried contacting him outside of the game... no reply, even though he was online in xbox live, playing Halo3. In the past, he's always been on MSN, or Xbox live telling some of my members, or myself, if he was unable to make an event, or having computer issues.

So, out of curiousity, brought on by a members worries about the missing Kyudogi, we did a search in playonline by player name. To our shock and surprise, he's logged in on Titan server, and the profile had mules attached to it that matched Hyu's mules. Another LS member tried to txt message his cellphone, only to find out he's been blocked on Hyu's end, and he still hasn't returned any messages outside of game, from any of his online "friends."

Based on this stuff, the member who lost the Kyudogi shot a GM a report about it. Not 2 hours later, another of my LS members had run a playonline search for Hyu, except in his profile, the current zone now read GM Jail. (See screenshot posted below.)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1827/hyujailah2.jpg

I did a bit of investigating around, apparently he had broken some LS rules, sold some stuff he shouldn't have sold to buy himself some HQ items beforehand as well, I'm also unsure if he's still holding any pop items, or any other items from my LS members they might have let him borrow.

We're about 95% sure he server jumped with the stuff, and it was pre-meditated, based on some other members who had come forward with some conversations they had with him the previous day, but in the off 5% chance he was hacked or some sort, it still deserves a warning. Keep an eye out for Hyubayu, if he really did do this on purpose, he fooled alot of people for a very long time to gain their trust, almost 8 months.

Turns out his real life friend, Symperia, and her husband(?, don't know his name, wasn't from Phoenix), also jumped to Titan and took her LS's bank with her, Illuminate LS.

[Iremire]

That sucks, wish it was more interesting but sorry you lost a kyudogi?

[johnboy]

Just cant trust these Tarus :/

[durst]

Sucks you lost all that expensive stuff, Looks like he picked the right server to transfer to, plenty of expensive items stolen from me on that server back when i played.

[Akisu]

Turns out his real life friend, Symperia, and her husband (don't know his name, wasn't from Phoenix), also jumped to Titan and took her LS's bank with her, Illuminate LS. Editing main post to include this.

[Ivaden]

Figures some Halofag would care enough about items to do such a thing. This is devastating. I do hope you and your LS can recover from this. Fucking tarus.

[HarrisBanks]

took her LS's bank with her

You mean the 56k that was left of it? lulz

jumped to Titan

Most members transfered to Titan as well. Want us to send a mule back to disperse the 4k payout to the people who stayed? (HI AVA AND MIMSY)

[Akisu]

Talk to whatever Illuminate members are left on Phoenix about your "56k", they aren't my members. Hyu was my member in Glorious, but I was adding that Symperia also jumped as I knew she was RL friends with Hyu.

But if your offering to compensate for losses, I'll take a replacement on any pop items Hyu was holding when he jumped, and the points to gil value of the items he used us to get before server ditching, like the osode he took, sold to get a Haub+1, then the other he grabbed for himself a few weeks back.

Regardless, anyone on Titan server, watch out for these guys, as HarrisBanks has proven, they're a bunch of real winners.

[HarrisBanks]

But if your offering to compensate for losses, I'll take a replacement on any pop items Hyu was holding when he jumped, and the points to gil value of the items he used us to get before server ditching, like the osode he took, sold to get a Haub+1, then the other he grabbed for himself a few weeks back.

1: Cry me a fucking river. Also, I don't know what Osode you're talking about, Sym bought him one ages ago. If he got another one with you guys after clearly seeing that he allready had one, well that's your fault.

2: Those points he changed to gil to buy items, it's clearly in YOUR rules that he can do that. Nowhere does it say that a member can never leave your LS after getting points and earning gear.

3: You say you'll take a replacement on any pop items he was holding? Like as in you think he might have some but don't know? As a LS leader you should keep better track of pop items in that case, since he didn't have any.

Regardless, anyone on Titan server, watch out for these guys, as HarrisBanks has proven, they're a bunch of real winners.

You're the one people need to "watch out for" as you've proven a second time that you're a moron who bitches and complains whenever someone uses your own LS rules AGAINST the LS to earn what they want. Here is another post about you guys bitching about the same thing, http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...t-warning.html

From that thread:

I appreciate your attempt at a warning, but I don't think there's anything to be worried about. If he earned enough points to use your override system, then he earned the drop. I don't see a problem with that. It's not like he ninja-lotted them. Does it suck he got them then transferred? Yeah, but I don't think it was sinister on his part.

COP help? Come on, you get XP for fuck's sake and the fights are WAY dumbed down. It's a little time consuming yeah, but it ain't the COP of a few years ago, so again I don't see much of an issue here.

So to sum up: you're bitter about a little time investment and losing a pair of w.legs to a transfer, even though the guy obviously earned them. I think your LS has it pretty easy if this is what you feel is devastating enough to post a BG warning over.

That pretty much sums it up. Take your petty drama back to alla you fucking waste of bandwith.

[Rya]

I'll take a replacement on any pop items Hyu was holding when he jumped, and the points to gil value of the items he used us to get before server ditching, like the osode he took, sold to get a Haub+1, then the other he grabbed for himself a few weeks back

2: Those points he changed to gil to buy items, it's clearly in YOUR rules that he can do that. Nowhere does it say that a member can never leave your LS after getting points and earning gear.

Points system are often used to benefit the highest attendees, if he was getting items then he was clearly attending events enough to "earn" them. Seriously Akisu, you shouldnt be suprised at people that take what they want and then leave.

But at the end of the day he still stole a Kyudogi.

[Herukyoru]

Honestly Akisu, you act like this is a shock. I know that this is atleast the fourth time that someone has gotten stuff from Glorious and jumped servers, with me being one of them. The first was Kiskie, then Boydinho, then me, and now Hyubayu.

I haven't heard of anyone else that has done this from the people I still talk to, so there may have been more.

[Akisu]

Third time, Boydinho didn't steal anything when he left, so I didn't have any issue with him. and I'll continue posting warning about members that steal items and jump to other servers. If you're trying to defend item theft, feel free. Seeing as the GM tossed him in prison not an hour after the call was made, I'm guessing you know something the GM's don't? The only reason I posted here was about the kyodogi theft. As far as pop items go, with the system I have, members farm off-event time, then pass it off to officers, or members that will be online, and are then marked down upon the next sky run for bonus points. From what I've been told, Hyu was supposed to deliver a few during the next sky run because he was able to be there, while the other member wasn't. If you like, I can have my officer in charge of the pop item lists post here, as we split the important jobs of running the shell up between the officers.

--- Regarding the comment about my point system, it's a hybrid. Not a standard DKP style payout system. (Earn 50 points, buy 50 point item.) We run a hybrid system with 4 levels (overriding, standard lotting, primary and secondary free-lotting), all attached to an attendance percentage system. It's complicated, but it works quite well. If you're curious as to how this system works - and the rules we carry with it - feel free to send me a PM with any questions. One of the rules we do have, however, is we don't allow for lotting on expensive items to sell, especially if you've already recieved one, until all members who actually need it to use recieve one. We also have a payout system in place for members to cash points in for the generic gildrop items (V.Claw, S.Cloth, etc.) or purchase set amounts of gil using points if that's how they want to use their points. Even with being able to TP burn Kirin down in under a few minutes; it's still a pain to farm the pops to get the seals to get the Kirin.

HarrisBanks, you're attempting to derail this using a 6 month old subject while trying to make this a personal issue. Not sure why, as this has nothing to do with Heru, that's an entirely seperate subject, and you're quoting only one side of that argument, which are hardly in the same context as the issue here. Heru earned the points to override the legs, yes. Would he have recieved them over a member who would have stuck with us a long time if he would have told us he was planning to jump? Very possibly, and might have even recieved them as a send off gift seeing as most of us were friends with him before he decided to take an underhanded aproach to it. If you want to argue the stuff about Heru with me, feel free to PM me about it, or post under the older thread, but it has nothing to do with this thread.

Regarding the comment he "didn't have any," as far as I know, he had a summerstone, as well as a god seal, or two. We've been having database issues with our hosting server, and I keep my pop sets in my database which is then viewable through my membership forums, as well as updatable. After getting the restore on the database, I'm missing a summerstone, and two seals, as well as a curtana. Not too big of a deal, granted- but I've also been told by other members that they were given to Hyu to bring up to sky, as he had a rather good attendance record.

Hyubayu stole a Kyudogi, and other junk, before jumping servers. Keep topic, allright, good? It was an obvious pre-meditated theft, as he went around asking many members to borrow many different items. The Kyodogi is the only one he was actually able to borrow that night.

I don't care if you've earned items, and left for real or understandable reasons, I've had a few members do that, and we're still on good terms. The problem I have is when members decide to decietfuly use the shell to get what they want and bail. We've had some rough spots, and dramatic moments, but what endgame shell doesn't? If you want to take a shot at how my shell runs, feel free, doesn't bother me at all, I'll be happy to talk it over with you, or anyone else who might have a problem with it. However - that's not the point of the thread. The point is, Hyubayu went around the shell, asking to borrow many expensive items (Hagun's from multiple members...last I checked, you can't dual weild those?...etc), borrowed a Kyudogi, then hopped to Titan server, halfway through a nyzul isle assault static run after a fake d/c none the less.

If you think it's acceptable to do this, please continue to defend him here.

Joining and leaving linkshells happens, for whatever reason, personal, real life, or "dramatic". It's a game. Server jumping is all well and fine, stealing people's expensive items while asking to "borrow them", then server jumping without telling anyone, while at the same time blocking, blacklisting, and breaking contact with everyone on the old server... Yeah. It merits a warning to residents of Titan server, so the same doesn't happen to them later on. It's a warning, nothing more, nothing less.

[Helm]

If you guys are going to focus on the point system, you're entirely missing the point of the post in the first place. The fact of the matter is he stole items from members and tried to get more than he actually got away with. Not only this but he created a fair bit of dissent within the shell itself. Honestly, so what if it was 'only' a kyudogi and some pop items, it was still several million gil worth of items he knowingly asked for and transferred with. If you want to risk someone like that screwing your shell by all means.

In short if you want to play-down the theft, be my guest, people like you guys are the ones will get screwed by people like him. However we posted this to warn people that, gasp, do not want these sort of people (thieves, liars, etc) in this shell.

[HarrisBanks]

So the GM got the Kyudogi back right?

[HarrisBanks]

In b4 "he stole it".

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7203/hyuebodyfe5.jpg

Congrats haha

[Helm]

I don't see how that pertains to Hyu being a thief. If you don't have anything relevant to post, I am not sure why you bother.

[Niki]

And Helm knows what he is talking about!

After seeing your shells behaviour at Aspid today, no wonder people run away.

admin: removed link because people are paranoid and keep IMing me about it

[Iremire]

Helm I hear you like Mithra Drg's sup baby i got a mule who wants to see your mog house

[Helm]

I'm sure

[Akisu]

I believe we need an admin here, as this topic is being turned into a personal flame. Also, you have a problem with one of my members, you can take it up with me in tell in game.