Mithra BST (Beastmaster) help?

[Corruption]

Ok guys I know this is a pretty noobish question but the thing about myself, is that I research and like to work with the calculations given in the game... So judging by how much my THF CHR sucks ass, I always ask around about what people think about playing Mithra BST...

Here is the thing. I have 2 accounts and 3 chars that I enjoy leveling on for different occasions. On my main account I only play my kitty and I REALLY want to make her a BST cause on my 2nd account I'm taking an Elvaan up to 75 on WAR 1st, then MNK 2nd, then BST also (yeah I want 2x BSTs under my belt lol)...

Sorry to bore you guys with my reasons, but my better judgment is that playing Mithra BST will either suck or be very difficult but I'm stubborn and want to do it...

Mithra have naturally high DEX and AGI and I could see my DEX and full crit merits helping in party situations and I can always PL myself but that defeats the whole purpose of why I want to play a BST... I have read a few basic BST guides and I have a certain issue that if I can't play a job well (skill wise cause I'm broke and lack hard core LS's) I don't want to play it...

So finally my question is to all you l33t Beast Masters, ranging from the skilled to the well equipped, what do you recommend for a fledgling Mithra BST who enjoys soloing and duoing on THF?

P.S Any math that you guys have that is accurate will help alot

Edit - I was wondering if for a low level (1-10) if BLU (mine is 37) or DNC (32 and working on) would be good subs for BST. Also my White mage is 17 cause I've really been trying to avoid leveling it but it seems from every where I read whm has to go to 37.

[Keria]

you won't notice the difference, just buy normal bst gear

whm has free rr 66+, sneak and invis

/blu probably works but will need to carry sneak/invis meds and rr

/dnc works pretty well, but will need to carry rr

base stats don't mean shit to be honest, crit merits hurt more than help because you may take hate from pet with a string of crits, don't get rid of any you have though.

mithra bst is the same as any other race playing bst, why are people obsessed with character race still?

[neuroticelite]

Like Keria said race really doesn't matter in my opinion. You may have lower CHR but you won't even notice it to be honest. Its like a Taru SAM or something, sure they may have lower STR but they're still gonna do their job just fine.

I would definitely recommend leveling BST if you enjoy soloing. Just gear it as if you were any other race because the differences are negligible. I don't have any math but I can say that for the last 2 years I've been on BST 95% of the time both in endgame activities and solo. Once I hit 75 my well equipped and merited SAM took a back seat to my BST. If you like soloing on THF then you're gonna love soloing on BST, and at the very least you could even go THF/BST which I see more and more once you've hit 75 on BST.

As for subs I would think /BLU would actually be superior to /WHM for the first ten or twenty levels even though my BLU is still not even unlocked. /DNC may be good in some situations but personally I did not melee much until 50+ since early on it is difficult for pets to keep hate off you. I believe I had 4 critical merits as well when I leveled BST and never saw any huge problem. Personally I would say /BLU 1-20, /WHM 20-75 with the occasional /DNC or /NIN. /NIN to me is...meh. I leveled /WHM 1 to 75 and even at 75 I never go /NIN. You will see a lot of BST who go /NIN just so they can be a marginally better DD but its just stupid in my opinion. I just completely hate it unless I'm doing something that requires the shadows.

[Corruption]

you won't notice the difference, just buy normal bst gear

whm has free rr 66+, sneak and invis

/blu probably works but will need to carry sneak/invis meds and rr

/dnc works pretty well, but will need to carry rr

base stats don't mean shit to be honest, crit merits hurt more than help because you may take hate from pet with a string of crits, don't get rid of any you have though.

mithra bst is the same as any other race playing bst, why are people obsessed with character race still?

Hey thanks for the advice... The only reason why I actually worry about my race is mainly thanks to THF and NIN. My nin is only 44, it is the next job I'm taking to 75, but my THF feels the hurt for the lack of STR. I mean my normal TA WS hit for anywhere from 900-1,440 (highest) Eviseration (Dex 30%) and my Dancing Edges are FINALLY doing good dmg since I got my peacock amulet & Optical Hat doing 1,000-1,340 (highest) but then I seen Elvaan just come through and do retarded dmg with similar gear (minus a ring here or two)... I actually seen an Elvaan THF (main was Azoth) pull a 1600+ DE one time then (of course) a Mandau THF (Elvaan also) pull a 2.4k Mercy Stroke (got the screen shot and everything).

So I'm not trying to be the "optimal" race but I do know that the stats do make a bit of a difference. Maybe I should have asked the question better... What I should have asked is "What gear should I lean toward as a Mithra BST for optimal solo/party/duo performance?"

Thanks for the advice though!

[Corruption]

Like Keria said race really doesn't matter in my opinion. You may have lower CHR but you won't even notice it to be honest. Its like a Taru SAM or something, sure they may have lower STR but they're still gonna do their job just fine.

I would definitely recommend leveling BST if you enjoy soloing. Just gear it as if you were any other race because the differences are negligible. I don't have any math but I can say that for the last 2 years I've been on BST 95% of the time both in endgame activities and solo. Once I hit 75 my well equipped and merited SAM took a back seat to my BST. If you like soloing on THF then you're gonna love soloing on BST, and at the very least you could even go THF/BST which I see more and more once you've hit 75 on BST.

As for subs I would think /BLU would actually be superior to /WHM for the first ten or twenty levels even though my BLU is still not even unlocked. /DNC may be good in some situations but personally I did not melee much until 50+ since early on it is difficult for pets to keep hate off you. I believe I had 4 critical merits as well when I leveled BST and never saw any huge problem. Personally I would say /BLU 1-20, /WHM 20-75 with the occasional /DNC or /NIN. /NIN to me is...meh. I leveled /WHM 1 to 75 and even at 75 I never go /NIN. You will see a lot of BST who go /NIN just so they can be a marginally better DD but its just stupid in my opinion. I just completely hate it unless I'm doing something that requires the shadows.

Damn thanks a bunch man! I really appreciate the help and the advice! Yeah I am completely looking forward to leveling BST, and its currently my side (a.k.a fun) project because I have a friend and cousin who need my NIN to hit 75 asap! Still though I REALLY want to play BST enough to the point where I put a thread for it!

Thanks a bunch again, and also I was thinking I know BLU Metallic Body (Stoneskin) kinda sucks but Cocoon is awesome and I could always heal myself a bit... I had also read that putting spells (most healing) that give you CHR + is good to go.

Still though I trust the opinion of higher level BSTs than my own for this job, but I'm definitely going to experiment with BST because I honestly feel it is one of the MOST under rated jobs in the game!

[Spekkio]

just lvl bst. intelligent gear choices and not skimping on the easy stuff (like getting +1 corsette over NQ) and you'll recover the minimal racial differences in short order.

[Keria]

on subs:

imo /nin works best in camps where there's physical AOE, SSG sahagins in early 50s for example, especially since bst/whm stoneskin is pretty gimpy. also works great for bomb soloing, both while kiting and in preventing magic agro. it sucks having to rest hp when you do take damage, though.

anywhere there's status effects, /whm is superior, nothing more annoying than having to wait 30seconds-1min for poison to wear so you can rest, or whiffing constantly when a mob is at 5% because you got hit with Black Cloud or Dark Spore.

i haven't tried /blu because mine is like 16 or 17, however /whm is probably going to be a LOT more useful in emergencies simply because a divine seal cure3 can save your life if a pet dies a little too soon. /blu has nothing so powerful in mid levels. regen is also great when you pull hate, as it restores 120HP with very little enmity compared to a cure. tbh the main advantages of /blu have always seemed a little irrelevant to me, since cocoon and the like are for damage mitigation rather than prevention, and you DON'T want to be taking hits yourself usually. if you do get hate, it's probably wiser to turn for a few seconds, rather than let it beat on you while you keep meleeing.

finally, don't underestimate blink; if a mob is hitting you for 100 per hit and blink absorbs 2 hits, that's more damage mitigation that you get from even stoneskin.

/dnc seems like it could work, however there's no damage mitigation whatsoever unlike /nin, /blu, or /whm. i'd therefore advise it only when you're comfortable with managing hate in a particular camp, and when there's little chance of links (both from mischarms and from prey). the enfeebles it offers are probably great for pets keeping hate, evasion down and whatnot, and drain samba may also be more convenient than cure1 spam/mp resting at low levels.

i would advise you to level whm to 37 because it's pretty much the solo standard, and imo offers great survivability/flexibility with camp locations. having said that, though, the superior sub is the one YOU like the best- so try everything.

[Arcanesoul]

If you're really worried about mis-charming then /blu is definitely a great sub. The spells offer a good natural chr boost, and at low levels actually hit and take effect because of the lower difference in blue skill. I personally used /blu up to 50 until I went to SSG near Waverider, when I needed snk.

I basically stopped at that point and leveled whm/bst in the same camps I went to up 42.

Anyway Neurotic covered the subs issue well, and the others have covered the rest.

If you want "optimal" solo/duo/party performance, I'd suggest carrying 2 sets of gear at least. Charm gear, and DD gear. I personally only made a dedicated DD set at 40, but I currently on bst carry a few sets now, including sets like an mp set which has resting gear, and has enough mp to cast RR while weakened.

[Bakthi]

Get a Gaudy Harness, and you'll be amazed at just how far 49 MP can go. And no, race really doesn't matter; BRD and BST were my first two 75s, and I'm a Mithra.

[Cesaria]

I went to 75 /WHM as a hume, in a static duo with a mithra. There was practically no difference in our mischarm rates at all - we both had shitty days where we failed charms on too weak forest hares, and days where nothing went wrong at all.

If you have to prioritize what gear you buy - get the good charm gear first, don't be a wazzock with a haub+1 and an nq light staff. Just remember that you're going to have days where you'll not stick charms and will end up eating dirt in a variety of wonderful, annoying and vaguely entertaining ways.

As for subjobs - I personally prefer being /WHM but my o/h tends to go around /NIN a lot more than me - it's just how you work best. Perhaps it's because he came from a melee background and I was a mage originally - I don't know.

Just level it - it's the most fun I had in-game levelling BST and I almost want to do it again on my mule to have either a taru or mithra BST because they look cute in AF.

[Absolutely Virtue]

Get a Gaudy Harness, and you'll be amazed at just how far 49 MP can go. And no, race really doesn't matter; BRD and BST were my first two 75s, and I'm a Mithra.

This. ^ I can't tell you how useful that piece of gear is.

Be prepared to fail charms as you level BST. It will have nothing to do with your race's CHR or your gear or anything else. BST charms fail sometimes, it's a fact of life. And I swear SE put some kind of secret dickpunch code in to make them fail at the worst times- like when you have a link, or you're in red HP, or at the end of an XP chain. You'll fail charms, and you'll most often die. Don't read too much into it, don't analyze your gear, just try to be prepared for it.

After leveling BST to 75 and playing with a lot of other 75 BST, I've come to realize that what really separates the good BSTs from the average ones is how you handle yourself when shit goes wrong. Practice those situations and you'll become awesome.

Also, I leveled 1-75 with a /WHM sub. BLU wasn't around when I was a lowbie, but I can see how that has some merit if you have the spells for it. But you really can't beat the flexibility of /WHM.

[Amok]

I've always understood that the charm success rate after something starts guaging "<me> should be able to charm the <mob>" won't increase much or any by adding more CHR. So if you can get to that point on your pet mobs then you're good to go. There probably is a capped success rate like there is for anything in the game, and my opinion is that beyond the "should be able to" there isn't that much room to improve.

[Bakthi]

Be prepared to fail charms as you level BST. It will have nothing to do with your race's CHR or your gear or anything else. BST charms fail sometimes, it's a fact of life. And I swear SE put some kind of secret dickpunch code in to make them fail at the worst times- like when you have a link, or you're in red HP, or at the end of an XP chain. You'll fail charms, and you'll most often die. Don't read too much into it, don't analyze your gear, just try to be prepared for it.

Do not, under any circumstances, announce to your LS that you have gained a level until you have a comfortable buffer...say, halfway to the next level. Do not ever say anything like "Only 1k tnl". Doing either of these triggers the special SE Anti-Solo Code, spawning pets with Resist Charm IV and prey with enhanced accuracy, evasion, and critical hit rate.

[Innuendo]

Absolutely, definitely get a gaudy harness. It's the best piece of gear a BST can own (tied with apollo's/light staff I guess.) Once I got to 51 I stopped bothering with CHR gear; light/apollo's makes that much difference. If you can dual box you might consider duoing your BSTs. And if you want to party, just gear your bst like you would an axe war.

[Valyana]

I've always understood that the charm success rate after something starts guaging "<me> should be able to charm the <mob>" won't increase much or any by adding more CHR.

I've figured that "should be able to charm" is like "low evasion", i.e. 75% or better chance before level difference adjustment, or at least 90% with apollo staff, so more chr can still be useful, especially if you are charming with your axe on to save TP.

[fndragon]

Everything said so far has been pretty much accurate in my experience. My first 75 was BST, my second was BRD. (I'm a mithra). CHR is overrated, Apollo's Staff is underrated.

Honestly, the CHR isn't going to affect you. I stopped building a CHR swap set for charm after I got Apollo's and around +20~25 CHR. What will affect you is the small random chance of abject failure. Bring Reraise and a good sense of humor. If you can manage to not die the same way twice, you're learning from your mistakes. Part of the fun of BST is being able to size up a room full of mobs and manage to play tetris with them (DC+DC+me > T, how to link/despawn mobs you don't want to play with right now, etc.)

And as far as "DD" goes on BST.. Well, I levelled other jobs to contribute more in a party setting. The thing nobody tells you is that Beastmaster 75 has the exact same STR (on mithras) as Bard 75. So, yeah, you're not a powerhouse hitter. But for its own niche, Beastmaster on Mithra is just fine.

[Corruption]

just lvl bst. intelligent gear choices and not skimping on the easy stuff (like getting +1 corsette over NQ) and you'll recover the minimal racial differences in short order.

Ok so far so good that is a lot more hopeful for me who was thinking I'm gonna need all HQ CHR gear and lots of lots of girl for it... /relief lol. (^.~)

on subs:

imo /nin works best in camps where there's physical AOE, SSG sahagins in early 50s for example, especially since bst/whm stoneskin is pretty gimpy. also works great for bomb soloing, both while kiting and in preventing magic agro. it sucks having to rest hp when you do take damage, though.

anywhere there's status effects, /whm is superior, nothing more annoying than having to wait 30seconds-1min for poison to wear so you can rest, or whiffing constantly when a mob is at 5% because you got hit with Black Cloud or Dark Spore.

i haven't tried /blu because mine is like 16 or 17, however /whm is probably going to be a LOT more useful in emergencies simply because a divine seal cure3 can save your life if a pet dies a little too soon. /blu has nothing so powerful in mid levels. regen is also great when you pull hate, as it restores 120HP with very little enmity compared to a cure. tbh the main advantages of /blu have always seemed a little irrelevant to me, since cocoon and the like are for damage mitigation rather than prevention, and you DON'T want to be taking hits yourself usually. if you do get hate, it's probably wiser to turn for a few seconds, rather than let it beat on you while you keep meleeing.

finally, don't underestimate blink; if a mob is hitting you for 100 per hit and blink absorbs 2 hits, that's more damage mitigation that you get from even stoneskin.

/dnc seems like it could work, however there's no damage mitigation whatsoever unlike /nin, /blu, or /whm. i'd therefore advise it only when you're comfortable with managing hate in a particular camp, and when there's little chance of links (both from mischarms and from prey). the enfeebles it offers are probably great for pets keeping hate, evasion down and whatnot, and drain samba may also be more convenient than cure1 spam/mp resting at low levels.

i would advise you to level whm to 37 because it's pretty much the solo standard, and imo offers great survivability/flexibility with camp locations. having said that, though, the superior sub is the one YOU like the best- so try everything.

Damn once again thanks Keria for the very solid advice! It seems that after reading what you say it makes sense why /blu isn't that great unless I can get enough CHR from blu spells for stuff that I can't charm or something (hopefully won't be that bad)... I like the idea of /dnc alot though the more I think about it but again like you said, I don't think there is anyway around it. I guess I'm gonna have to level my kitty's whm to 37... Which I guess isn't THAT bad cause then when I play BLU main I could go the healing route when needed and its a good sub for RDM (also needs 37) for a sub for my ninja in situations where Fast Cast > Heals (/dnc). Woot you are teh rockz0rz!

If you're really worried about mis-charming then /blu is definitely a great sub. The spells offer a good natural chr boost, and at low levels actually hit and take effect because of the lower difference in blue skill. I personally used /blu up to 50 until I went to SSG near Waverider, when I needed snk.

I basically stopped at that point and leveled whm/bst in the same camps I went to up 42.

Anyway Neurotic covered the subs issue well, and the others have covered the rest.

If you want "optimal" solo/duo/party performance, I'd suggest carrying 2 sets of gear at least. Charm gear, and DD gear. I personally only made a dedicated DD set at 40, but I currently on bst carry a few sets now, including sets like an mp set which has resting gear, and has enough mp to cast RR while weakened.

I notice a lot of you guys mention RR so I'm guessing I can look forward to a lot of hitting the dust on BST! Hahah I guess its not that bad though I don't mind dying in the game anymore especially after level sync was introduced and now getting buffer is cake! In fact I maxed out my 75 THF's xp in 2 Level Sync parties since the xp wasn't as good as merits but not bad at all considering.

Cool I'm definitely going to atleast try out /blu because the scientist in me demands it lol... Though after reading what Keria said /whm seems like a solid move. On Thief I carry about 3-4 sets (not huge differences) but for different things SATA gear, WS gear, Atk/haste, Acc/eva. So I gotta mule up if anything lol.

Get a Gaudy Harness, and you'll be amazed at just how far 49 MP can go. And no, race really doesn't matter; BRD and BST were my first two 75s, and I'm a Mithra.

Oh snap Bakthi cool so if you remember your BRD and/or BST career when you started did you have a problem with CHR at all? I mean what was your gear focus if not, and stuff like that. I want to rock ze kitty right! lol.

[Corruption]

I went to 75 /WHM as a hume, in a static duo with a mithra. There was practically no difference in our mischarm rates at all - we both had shitty days where we failed charms on too weak forest hares, and days where nothing went wrong at all.

If you have to prioritize what gear you buy - get the good charm gear first, don't be a wazzock with a haub+1 and an nq light staff. Just remember that you're going to have days where you'll not stick charms and will end up eating dirt in a variety of wonderful, annoying and vaguely entertaining ways.

As for subjobs - I personally prefer being /WHM but my o/h tends to go around /NIN a lot more than me - it's just how you work best. Perhaps it's because he came from a melee background and I was a mage originally - I don't know.

Just level it - it's the most fun I had in-game levelling BST and I almost want to do it again on my mule to have either a taru or mithra BST because they look cute in AF.

Definitely the more and more I read what you guys say the more I want to just give my Thief a little vacation and allow the BST to run rampant in the wild (pun intended... sorry it was cheesy lol). I'll tell you though my very first char ever was a Hume Monk to 75, but I also enjoyed playing whm to 58, got thf to 56 (reason I fell in love with the job), and had most of the existing jobs at the time 30+ (no Blu, Cor, Pup, Dnc, or Sch) So I kinda like being a mage but it really depends on my mood... Its one of the reasons I have two characters now (my mithra Corruption) and my little taru (Oshogatsu) cause I switch between them when the mage in me wants to play or the melee strikes back lol.

This. ^ I can't tell you how useful that piece of gear is.

Be prepared to fail charms as you level BST. It will have nothing to do with your race's CHR or your gear or anything else. BST charms fail sometimes, it's a fact of life. And I swear SE put some kind of secret dickpunch code in to make them fail at the worst times- like when you have a link, or you're in red HP, or at the end of an XP chain. You'll fail charms, and you'll most often die. Don't read too much into it, don't analyze your gear, just try to be prepared for it.

After leveling BST to 75 and playing with a lot of other 75 BST, I've come to realize that what really separates the good BSTs from the average ones is how you handle yourself when shit goes wrong. Practice those situations and you'll become awesome.

Also, I leveled 1-75 with a /WHM sub. BLU wasn't around when I was a lowbie, but I can see how that has some merit if you have the spells for it. But you really can't beat the flexibility of /WHM.

Thanks that should be encouraging enough to brave the wilds! Cause I usually always analyze things and try out different setups when I see something fails so I just gotta remember charm just fails no matter what sometimes lol... Watch it be something silly like its based on the moon phase + items in inventory lmao... So yeah it sounds pretty unanimous... Gotta level whm 20 levels to be an appropriate sub for my new toy!

I've always understood that the charm success rate after something starts guaging "<me> should be able to charm the <mob>" won't increase much or any by adding more CHR. So if you can get to that point on your pet mobs then you're good to go. There probably is a capped success rate like there is for anything in the game, and my opinion is that beyond the "should be able to" there isn't that much room to improve.

Ah ok so when you Guage something it gives you different messages now? I mean its been WAY long since I ever played the job and honestly when I did I was only like level 14 lol. I want to do it right now thats why I even bothered asking for help on ze forums!

Do not, under any circumstances, announce to your LS that you have gained a level until you have a comfortable buffer...say, halfway to the next level. Do not ever say anything like "Only 1k tnl". Doing either of these triggers the special SE Anti-Solo Code, spawning pets with Resist Charm IV and prey with enhanced accuracy, evasion, and critical hit rate.

LMAO I know a friend personally who would do that when he was in his 30's for BST! He would always say "oh man this is fun I'm less than 1k tnl" and then 5 minutes later be like "$&@# 1.5k tnl" LOL... Lucky for me I don't really get mad when I die in this game if its something worth it... I only get mad when I die on something super easy and stupid like Peacock Charm BCNM... Thats just dumb lol.

Absolutely, definitely get a gaudy harness. It's the best piece of gear a BST can own (tied with apollo's/light staff I guess.) Once I got to 51 I stopped bothering with CHR gear; light/apollo's makes that much difference. If you can dual box you might consider duoing your BSTs. And if you want to party, just gear your bst like you would an axe war.

Yeah I definitely most definitely want to dual box my BSTs! Its gonna be Mithra (main) and Elvaan (2nd) and hopefully I can take them all the way together! So in that case I'm gonna need 2 Gaudy Harnesses and Apollo's Staffs lol... I better start doing some BCNMs or something lol.

Everything said so far has been pretty much accurate in my experience. My first 75 was BST, my second was BRD. (I'm a mithra). CHR is overrated, Apollo's Staff is underrated.

Honestly, the CHR isn't going to affect you. I stopped building a CHR swap set for charm after I got Apollo's and around +20~25 CHR. What will affect you is the small random chance of abject failure. Bring Reraise and a good sense of humor. If you can manage to not die the same way twice, you're learning from your mistakes. Part of the fun of BST is being able to size up a room full of mobs and manage to play tetris with them (DC+DC+me > T, how to link/despawn mobs you don't want to play with right now, etc.)

And as far as "DD" goes on BST.. Well, I levelled other jobs to contribute more in a party setting. The thing nobody tells you is that Beastmaster 75 has the exact same STR (on mithras) as Bard 75. So, yeah, you're not a powerhouse hitter. But for its own niche, Beastmaster on Mithra is just fine.

So I should definitely shell out for an Apollo's Staff then right? I have to save up a bit I guess but should be worth it... I also hear from my BST friends that you make a good bit of $$ on BST getting all those seals and items to either synth or npc. Ok so Gaudy Harness I know I can get with a group of my friends, but Apollo's needs to be bought so I'll try my best!

[Bakthi]

Oh snap Bakthi cool so if you remember your BRD and/or BST career when you started did you have a problem with CHR at all? I mean what was your gear focus if not, and stuff like that. I want to rock ze kitty right! lol.

I don't think I really had more issues than anyone else. I did have an Apollo's Staff as soon as my BST hit 51 (it was the first HQ staff I bought). I used CHR rings/neck/head/waist, Savage feet, Gaudy, and Apollo's once I hit 51. No melody earrings +1 for charm or anything. I definitely had gear swaps for fight/charm mode.

[SephYuyX]

It's a shame people still take their race into consideration when leveling a job, any race can play any jobe just fine; being a great Mithra BLM and BST myself I can attest to that.

I dont know about sub choices now a days, the only sub that was used when I lvld was WHM. Stack CHR as much as possible and bring lost of RR.

You will die, you will mischarm and then die often, you will delevel over and over, you will go all day XPn and break negative or even, you will get forced out of camps, and get screwed over and mistreated by others, you will get utterly frustrated and not touch BST for days on end, etcetc. But this happens to everyone no matter what race, or how much CHR they have.

If you have the patience to SOLO BST to 75, that earns you a gold ticket. The hardest part about leveling BST is you yourself, and as long as youre persistence to get to 75, youll be fine. The plus side to getting BST to 75 solo is a sense of reward and a better understanding of the FFXI hate system, as well as numerous other aspects. Plus all the loot you get is yours to keep.

Come back when youre 60+ and then we can talk about more indepth situational gear. Untill then, take full CHR (+Apollos), ACC (dont worry about STR), and MP gear with you.