Worst form of cheating?

[Gaea]

Basically, I was always under the impression that duping and manifesting items were the worst forms of cheating as they were the most game breaking. Unless of course the whole game is based on PvP, then I could see how movement speed and position hacking could be arguable worse.

For the sake of argument, in FFXI, what do you believe would be the most game breaking form of cheating?

I thought virtually anyone would agree with Duplicating gil/gear, but now that I've actually seen someone disagree with this, I'm purdy curious now. Maybe its because I watched duping and item manifesting ruin Battle.net on Diablo II a decade ago.

So, with that said, vote for what you think is the most damaging to the game; particularly in terms of the economy as this is one of those important functions in an MMORPG.

I'm not sure if this is Advanced or not, but seeing as most of the threads regarding this issue were posted here, I suppose I'll just stick it here first.

To see how everyone is voting (including who voted for what) use this link:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...ll-1404-a.html


Thus far, about half of the votes point towards item/gil duplication as doing the most overall damage to the game:
Asleep, Aurania, BlakLanner, bombhit, Bwelch, Charismatic, Drace, evilpaul, Gaea, Hobbes, Iceblazek, Juib, Lilioh, miokomioko, Omniyoji, Phraust, Raen Ryong, Rugazanami, Tekki, Uzor, Vajra, zild

The other half of the votes, those below, believe one of the other options does more damage to overall system of the game:
Atma, ikariiiii, drwaffles, Overburn, Acturus, amentis, Arouz, Belgaer, Hellfury, Infini, Missnasty, Rahm, Therin, Thorny, wyred, Xephon, Yuki, Lionsheartt, TheBlazed, Vade, bebeci, Budonez, Kurt Cobain, Rampagesama, BRP


This value seems to be relatively constant. So about half agree duplication of items/gil is the worst thing you can do and the most game breaking. I personally agree as there would be little reason to even do the other forms of cheating, or play at all for that matter, if everyone was wearing everything they ever wanted. What would be the point of playing?

[Katoke]

The ability for players to manipulate prices on the auction house.

[Gaea]

So, Belgaer, Hellfury, Missnasty, Therin, Thorny, wyred, you think claim botting, which doesn't affect the overall balance of the economy (just the distribution of items that will be distributed regardless), is more game breaking that item or gil duplication? Out of curiosity were any of you temp/permanently banned? I'm just wondering if that's a factor in your decision.

Drwaffles, you really think that position hacking is more "game breaking" than the unchecked duplication of items and gil? You honestly believe that it would be more game breaking?

Budonez, Kurt Cobain? You two honestly believe that seeing party members TP or the recasts left on spells and abilities is more game breaking than item duplication, flee/pos hacking, and botting?

[BRP]

You are a disgrace to humanity.

[Thorny]

So, Wyred, Missnasty, Hellfury, you think claim botting, which doesn't affect the overall balance of the economy (just the distribution of items that will be distributed regardless), is more game breaking that item or gil duplication?

Claim botting directly effects the people camping against the linkshell using it. Duplicating items in sandworm/salvage has a relatively minor indirect effect on the people not using it.

Drwaffles, you really think that position hacking is more "game breaking" than the unchecked duplication of items and gil? You honestly believe that it would be more game breaking?

I've soloed Boroka, Heliodromos, 3/4 of CoP, Carmine Dobsonflies, and quite a few other assorted things with POS.. if you use it right it's pretty game breaking.

Oh, and GTFO POOF.

[aurik]

This is a terrible poll.

[Gaea]

Claim botting only affects the overall distibution of drops. If we could duplicate items, people wouldn't even bother claim botting anymore because there'd just be plenty to go around. Yet you still find claim botting to be more game breaking?

I know it might be difficult, but try to be civil. Being that this is a video game, an intangible fantasy land, I'm curious to how morality plays out even in make-believe where there are no real life consequences to one's actions (other than getting banned and wasting your time on a character that's being deleted)

Furthermore, quit trying to confuse people. Poof is now Gaea. They are not two different people.

[BRP]

You are a disgrace to humanity.

[amentis]

Claim botting = ruining other people's game experience by making them waste hours upon hours of their lives to not claim things against your packet-injection bot.

Duping = OH NOES SOMEONE GOT SOME SALVAGE GEARZ

[Juib]

I believe he is talking about duping in general. not just duping salvage gear

[evilpaul]

Claim botting only affects the overall distibution of drops. If we could duplicate items, people wouldn't even bother claim botting anymore because there'd just be plenty to go around. Yet you still find claim botting to be more game breaking?

Seeing as people prefer to ground drops that they don't need and can't sell rather than give them away, I don't see how that's the case.

But this is a rather pointless thread, so whatever.

[kayn]

The worst thing anyone can do related to FFXI is continually make crappy threads about the same topic a million times.

[Gaea]

Claim botting = ruining other people's game experience by making them waste hours upon hours of their lives to not claim things against your packet-injection bot.

Duping = OH NOES SOMEONE GOT SOME SALVAGE GEARZ

This wasn't just about salvage duping, although I don't think understand that the dupes also included Sandworm Drops and Alexandrite/Coin Purse drops which translated into billions of gil. This is about something destroying the game overall to the point where it would be the "most unplayable".

In otherwords, if all these forms of cheating were legalized except for one, which one would you vote to make illegal as you think it would do the most damage to the game.

[Thorny]

Claim botting only affects the overall distibution of drops. If we could duplicate items, people wouldn't even bother claim botting anymore because there'd just be plenty to go around. Yet you still find claim botting to be more game breaking?

You couldn't dupe drops from kings, the major thing claim botting effects.

I know it might be difficult, but try to be civil. Being that this is a video game, an intangible fantasy land, I'm curious to how morality plays out even in make-believe where there are no real life consequences to one's actions (other than getting banned and wasting your time on a character that's being deleted)

I am being civil, I was explaining my thoughts on those 2 types of cheating.

Furthermore, quit trying to confuse people. Poof is now Gaea. They are not two different people.

As I've said before, the name Poof is enough to make you look bad. As such, I shall refer to you as Poof not Gaea. Don't you have some GMs to sleep with anyway?

[Pandum]

Fucking botters.

[Gaea]

How does Poof make me look bad? Because my main used to be Black Mage so I called my character Poof? Granted, Black Mage is an awful job, I would think calling me by my Puppetmaster name would be more "lol".

Ah well, your logic is beyond me. I never could figure out /anon e-thugging.

Anyways, I honestly find it amazing that a number of people chose claim botting to a game breaking issue over arbitrary item/gil duplication. This actually clears up a few things for me as I thought I had an easy argument that duplication was the worst thing. Even though most people still feel the same way, I thought it would be closer to 90% and not just half.

[lysol]

Packet injection bots fuck shit up for the general population way more than duping

[Cream Soda]

k, voted

[Ashira]

This thread isn't even what you were purporting it to be. You're calling out everyone who disagreed with you and are trying to convince them they're wrong. Not exactly conducive to good discussion.

If you want to have an actual discussion and debate, you have to at least be open minded to what they want to say too. Bringing up everyone's name in BOLD and essentially forming questions directed at them screaming 'YOU ARE WRONG' really doesn't make anyone want to participate.

[Thorny]

/anon? I've posted my gear on every character I've had in the media center, Thorny is the name of my first good character.. hardly ethugging when I mention nothing rl-related. Calling you Poof is lol because you have a long-standing reputation for sucking GM schlong to get what you want and supposedly even fucked one of them in real life. At the point in time this story was the big thing in BG, you were named Poof.. hence you'll always be Poof to me.