Japanese Small Claims court ruling against SE?

[Gatsby]

Someone light the Elmer signal but a friend of mine sent me these links.

http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame/1232950531/

http://blog.livedoor.jp/yoshy2k7/

The summary I'm getting is that some JP won a ~500 USD settlement against SE. Short summary I'm getting is that there was some sort of personal information and RMT are involved one way or another.

I've tried babelfishing it but its kinda jumbled to get a good understanding.

Move if necessary.

[Fiye]

This is be a very interesting thing to follow.

[Sorantia]

Oh, wow. I'd like to hear more on this. In before details!

[Funkworkz]

And we thought the terms of service was invincible! I forsee an updated TOS on the way to cover their asses in the future, lol.

[Nattack]

in the effect that the law is on your side and not ours, we shall not be held responsible.

sounds like every company
everywhere
in the history of our shifty laws.

[Veyron]

I'll be keeping tabs on this thread.

[Ecki]

Laws do usually have more standing than TOS. >.>;

[Syntex]

Blizzard was in a lawsuit against the person who made WoWGlider(a program that runs in circles and levels for you while you are sleeping/working), the WoWGlider attorney's countersued saying that he made this program to help people level faster and that Blizzard obtained no additional revenue by making the leveling process take longer to reach endgame and in doing so put peoples health at risk by playing hours on end, they ended up winning the lawsuit against Blizzard which part of the conditions was that they lower the XP needed to level and make it easier(Recruit a friend, outland XP needed to level cut by 30% anyone?) as part of the settlement conditions.

Now don't quote me on it but if this can happen maybe there is some form of a twisted lawsuit against SE?

[aznmajiktaru]

if someone actually had that kinda money to waste I wouldn't be surprised if they won against se lol.

[Corinth]

This is very strange indeed. The second link is the person's blog about the ordeal from what I can tell at first glance. I'll poke around a bit.

Edit: Started reading from the beginning. He's got pictures and everything, kind of interesting.

Basically, someone (RMT? Definitely Chinese) kept using this guy's information over and over to register for Playonline. So, SE kept sending the guy postcards about it. He tried to get SE to keep whoever it was from creating new accounts with his information. SE refused.


End result, they went to court, the guy won.

[Tarage]

People are retarded. Retarded people hire lawyers. Everyone needs to die.

Everyone agree?

[Shinsei]

I honestly don't know what to believe in anymore, here we have a justice system that a "crook" that was trying to break into your house, tripped and fell on the sidewalks right in front of your home and ends up suing you for it and won....

Or even that other case with that person who thought Cruise Control would do everything for you (zomg why did I end up in the ditch)........

I guess no matter where in the world people will always find someway to get money out of people.

[Syntex]

Or even that other case with that person who thought Cruise Control would do everything for you (zomg why did I end up in the ditch)........

That was right after it was introduced and in the manual it didn't say how it works as it is commonly known today so I don't think that lawsuit was that stupid.



First one though is bullshit, if someone breaks into someones house they should have no rights at that point.

[ringthree]

Blizzard was in a lawsuit against the person who made WoWGlider(a program that runs in circles and levels for you while you are sleeping/working), the WoWGlider attorney's countersued saying that he made this program to help people level faster and that Blizzard obtained no additional revenue by making the leveling process take longer to reach endgame and in doing so put peoples health at risk by playing hours on end, they ended up winning the lawsuit against Blizzard which part of the conditions was that they lower the XP needed to level and make it easier(Recruit a friend, outland XP needed to level cut by 30% anyone?) as part of the settlement conditions.

Now don't quote me on it but if this can happen maybe there is some form of a twisted lawsuit against SE?

This was overturned on appeal, and I believe that the appeals court scolded the initial court for making an uninformed decision. Google it.

[jmc]

This was overturned on appeal, and I believe that the appeals court scolded the initial court for making an uninformed decision. Google it.

Ya, creater of WoWGlider lost..... Badly.

Blizzard Wins Key Judgments Against WoW Bot Maker MDY on Copyright and Tortious Interference Claims | Virtually Blind | Virtual Law | Benjamin Duranske

[Okan]

And I don't think that this lawsuit really influenced experience point changes considering that Blizzard is always trying to make the game more accessible and fun to everyone. Even the so called "welfare epics" were added to give casual players access to acceptable gear to allow them to progress with up-to-date raiders. The gear would be a tad "out-dated" (Though in most cases, it's not) to encourage players to try the newer content though. In terms of FFXI, it would be like Ground HNM and sky gear readily available to all through something like Campaign with the release of sea (assuming that sea had corresponding gear for those slots and it was on average, better). Each new progression would release something comparable to the previous levels. Sea-like gear would be released with Salvage. Salvage like gear with Einherjar. I know this isn't the best example since some sky gear is still better than just released gear, but WoW evolves each new instance releasing gear that improves upon previously released gear. (Basically, if you quit for 3 years in WoW like I did for FFXI you wouldn't come back to be just as powerful.)

Hope I got my thoughts explained clearly... >.>

[Valena]

Hope I got my thoughts explained clearly... >.>

Not really ...

But it's not hard to imagine winning a lawsuit against SEI regarding FFXI. Hell, even the japanese biased could be easily proven, and i'm sure arguable.

Longer fanfests, longer interviews, prime of 2 or 3 days for an expansion, maintenance and updates always in dead hour in Japan, high playing hours in the rest of the world, POL JP up prior to NA one after maintenances, and so on ... Yet we surely pay the same price per month (actually, i'm wondering, if anybody got the price per month in Yen for FFXI in Japan, i'd like to check it).
You wrap that up with horrible phone center support (no personal experience here, we just kept hearing that when all the hacking stuff happened), clueless GM, and a 18hours Pandemonium barf bag suvival kit and you're set.

But given SEI is based in Japan, good luck actually attempting anything remotedly useful against them. Years of your time probably, and possibly several k of your money.

[ringthree]

And I don't think that this lawsuit really influenced experience point changes considering that Blizzard is always trying to make the game more accessible and fun to everyone. Even the so called "welfare epics" were added to give casual players access to acceptable gear to allow them to progress with up-to-date raiders. The gear would be a tad "out-dated" (Though in most cases, it's not) to encourage players to try the newer content though. In terms of FFXI, it would be like Ground HNM and sky gear readily available to all through something like Campaign with the release of sea (assuming that sea had corresponding gear for those slots and it was on average, better). Each new progression would release something comparable to the previous levels. Sea-like gear would be released with Salvage. Salvage like gear with Einherjar. I know this isn't the best example since some sky gear is still better than just released gear, but WoW evolves each new instance releasing gear that improves upon previously released gear. (Basically, if you quit for 3 years in WoW like I did for FFXI you wouldn't come back to be just as powerful.)

Hope I got my thoughts explained clearly... >.>

I think it's like comparing apples and oranges really, because almost all fights in FFXI can be done with a huge variety of gear. Gear more influences how many people it takes to do something.

In WoW, there are certain fights were it is nearly impossible to beat bosses without a certain grade of gear.

FFXI just has a completely different approach on how to gear effects players. WoW necessitates gear obsolescence, FFXI does not. This is why people complain about the lack of new gear in FFXI, and they complain about other things in WoW.

[Okan]

@Valena
¥1500
That is about ~$16USD (Edit: Closer to $17)

@Ringthree
That is true. Even in the same instance, some bosses are just impossible unless you farmed the previous ones for a few weeks to get the whole raid to perform better (In WoW). Thinking of all the bosses I've killed in FFXI, I'm sure we could have killed every single one of them in our AF (Minus AF weapons >.>)

[Aro]

-Elmer signal activated-

EDIT: read the posts XD