Chest/Coffer Fatigue (Illusionary Chest BS)

[Kimiko]

Ok, now I know that SE implemented a fix to prevent RMT's from camping coffers & chests. Tonight however, I found out how much utter bullshit this "fix" is...

Apperently, although I hadn't touched a chest in Upper Delkfut's Tower for around 6 months (real time). After finding a coffer on the 10th floor, farmed up a key, attempted to open the chest and... BOOM.

"The chest was but an illusion"

wtf is going on here? if opening a chest = permaban from opening other chests in the future, well... /argh

[FailureMidgard]

Ok, now I know that SE implemented a fix to prevent RMT's from camping coffers & chests. Tonight however, I found out how much utter bullshit this "fix" is...

Apperently, although I hadn't touched a chest in Upper Delkfut's Tower for around 6 months (real time). After finding a coffer on the 10th floor, farmed up a key, attempted to open the chest and... BOOM.

"The chest was but an illusion"

wtf is going on here? if opening a chest = permaban from opening other chests in the future, well... /argh

Were you partied with someone who opened a chest earlier? I'm pretty sure the thing applies to your whole party, not just you....I also thought the cooldown was just 1 hour.

[Teorem]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/67306...t-fatigue.html

The coffer should reappear in another location within a few minutes, if not instantaneously. Receiving the message does not depend on you having opened a chest/coffer--with anyone--at any point earlier.

[Ashky]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/67306...t-fatigue.html

The coffer should reappear in another location within a few minutes, if not instantaneously. Receiving the message does not depend on you having opened a chest/coffer--with anyone--at any point earlier.

I was solo in The Boyahda Tree the other night and I got the illusion message on a chest in 3 different locations, and I have not opened a chest there in months. It's pretty stupid to do this. 30 minute cooldown on the chest repopping would have sufficed.

[Isiolia]

It's because it's zone-wide, apparently. If -anyone- in the zone opens the chest/coffer for something other than quest items, then it'll do that for anyone else trying to open it for non-quest items for a period of time.
There's no way to tell that it'll just depop like that. It's incredibly poor design, they should at least make it pop with a different model or name if it's for quest items only at the time.

I can see how doing it this way could possibly prevent abuse, though it's abuse that they wouldn't need to worry about if they hadn't nerfed some of the NPCable items, but meh >_>

[thatwasnifty]

It's not poor design. It's basically the same as it was before: it takes 30 minutes after a chest/coffer has been opened for loot for another to appear. But in the meantime, people with quests active that require the chest/coffer can access them and not have to compete with everyone else.

[Soa]

It's not poor design. It's basically the same as it was before: it takes 30 minutes after a chest/coffer has been opened for loot for another to appear. But in the meantime, people with quests active that require the chest/coffer can access them and not have to compete with everyone else.

Except it doesn't work this way.

If you or anyone in your party opens a chest/coffer for gil/map/AF, neither they nor anyone else will be able to open another chest until someone else outside the party opens one first. Yes I found this out while helping some people get AF in Garlaige. The first person popped the coffer and got their AF, the next person got 5 illusions until we gave up.

Another example was when I was helping a friend break some Nyzul latents in Boyahda. I had a key and found a coffer right away and popped it for gil. One respawned almost immediately in the spot where we were skilling up and wasn't touched for well over an hour. I went to pop it after getting a key drop and it was an illusion. We tracked it down 3 more times, all the same result. We asked someone else in the zone to pop the next one and he got it to open.

I also took a friend to Toraimarai (since noone ever pops them here) to test how long it took to get a real coffer to repop and we didn't see another real one till the 1 hour mark, after trying a few between the 30-60 minute mark.

I've seen plenty of posts on various forums saying the same things I am saying so the system isn't working like it is supposed to.

[Isiolia]

It's not poor design. It's basically the same as it was before: it takes 30 minutes after a chest/coffer has been opened for loot for another to appear. But in the meantime, people with quests active that require the chest/coffer can access them and not have to compete with everyone else.

It's poor design first and foremost because it does not distinguish between a "real" coffer, and one that will poof if you're not getting AF/map/whatever.

If there are restrictions on opening a chest, then fine, but they should be indicated. For example, make the coffer model the blue chest model if it'll disappear, and then have it repop as a brown/gold one when it can be opened for anything.

For the personal "chest weakness", there should be a status icon or something.

As it is, unless you're going for a quest item, it's a gamble. Did someone else open the chest? Is your weakness timer up? Who the hell knows. Try it and see if it disappears. In the case of some coffers, that could actually repop them in a far more inconvenient place to open them.

[Lahan]

I have never poped one in upper tower and while screwing around for alky goingn back and forth from lower i saw pone and tried it and it was a fake.

I had not opened one in the grotto for months and 1st one i found there screwing around was a fake too.

so there should have been no cool down for me like some posts say these were the 1st one I found in the zones in months.

I have to agree i never farmed chests and this is a crap fix

[Ziero]

The changes to chests in this game was one of the most retarded things SE has done in a long while

[noodles355]

The changes to chests in this game was one of the most retarded things SE has done in a long while

qft

[Raineer]

Why does everyone think it depends on when they last opened a coffer? Just a rumor?

It's because it's zone-wide, apparently. If -anyone- in the zone opens the chest/coffer for something other than quest items, then it'll do that for anyone else trying to open it for non-quest items for a period of time.

is how it works. Without much time to craft I've gotten a decent amount of money from coffer keys while leveling NPC recently, it's worked like that every time.