Documentary Trolls GOP succesfully

[Apelila]

Documentary purports to rip GOP's closet doors

Documentary purports to rip GOP's closet doors

California GOP Rep. David Dreier and a number of other politicians are the unwilling stars of a controversial new documentary with an explosive premise - it's time to blow open the closet door on prominent politicians who have hidden their homosexuality while actively working against gay causes.

"When a (movie) like this only highlights Republicans, it causes you to immediately question the motives of the people putting it out," said Jon Fleischman, the conservative vice chairman of the state GOP and publisher of the Flashreport.com, a California Republican Web site.

Well gee guys, I don't know. I mean, show me a closeted Democrat working against gay rights and maybe you'll have more of a point to bitch about.

So 'Outing' as its called is a practice that actually kind of pisses me off: I know if I was in a position like that trying to work to better society then I'd be pissed right the fuck off at some jerk off with a camera airing my dirty laundry.

However, all of the people are working against gay rights. If they're not gay then they have nothing to freak the hell out about; but if they are gay does the end justify the means?

[Kohan]

Well gee guys, I don't know. I mean, show me a closeted Democrat working against gay rights and maybe you'll have more of a point to bitch about.

Though the documentary would certainly be fairer if such a thing were included, that doesn't make it an outright hypocritical film. It's akin to revealing a black man at a KKK meet. Whether he's Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or what have you, doesn't matter as much as where he stands and what he's doing.

If there are Democractic homosexuals who decry the the Republican party strictly because a documentary like this exists, they're as stupid as their male peers who say ridiculous things like "women are slutty and ugly," or the lesbians who claim "men are disgusting and stupid."

[Vuitton]

So 'Outing' as its called is a practice that actually kind of pisses me off: I know if I was in a position like that trying to work to better society then I'd be pissed right the fuck off at some jerk off with a camera airing my dirty laundry.

However, all of the people are working against gay rights. If they're not gay then they have nothing to freak the hell out about; but if they are gay does the end justify the means?

Being homosexual is something that nobody should be ashamed about (in a perfect world.) However, due to the fact that ignorant people get up in arms about homosexuals and will disown their children over it, or fire their employees, or just beat up or murder people over it, I am against outing if done in a malicious manner in order to discriminate against them for being homosexual.

I am not against outing people in a malicious manner, not to discriminate against them, but to forcefully show them to be hypocrites. If you want to be a closet case, feel free. Just don't be a closet case who is trying to work against other homosexuals. These people deserve to be outed. Outing them does the homosexual population a service. By outing these politicians who are secretly gay and working against homosexuals, it eliminates all of their credibility (if they had any) in the eyes of their voting base. Furthermore, it eliminates someone working against homosexuals (temporarily). In addition, it shows to the entire U.S. that these people are hypocrites and plants seeds of doubts across the country for those still on the fence or slightly against homosexual rights, that perhaps they're wrong about this whole thing. Which further alienates social conservative voting populations and makes it slightly more difficult to elect in the future candidates who use anti-gay rights as their marketing device to win elections.

[Headspace]

I feel what these GOPers are doing is righteous. I voted for them to represent me, and they certainly are, and they're even doing so against their own stance.

[Vuitton]

I feel what these GOPers are doing is righteous. I voted for them to represent me, and they certainly are, and they're even doing so against their own stance.

Obvious troll is obvious. If this mindset was true and/or common then documentaries such as these wouldn't be made. In addition, there would be no media hype around these type of situations (outings) when they occur. Furthermore, there would be no reason to be secretly gay and running as a republican if your voting base thought you were so righteous for being gay and working against gay rights. The fact that there is so much commotion about closeted republicans, and the fact that they are elected to office without telling their voting base how righteous they are, just proves that these closeted republicans are ashamed of themselves (which they shouldn't be) for being gay, and they KNOW if their voting base found out they were gay, they would have no political career as republican.

[miokomioko]

This is not hypocracy.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Obvious troll is obvious. If this mindset was true and/or common then documentaries such as these wouldn't be made. In addition, there would be no media hype around these type of situations (outings) when they occur. Furthermore, there would be no reason to be secretly gay and running as a republican if your voting base thought you were so righteous for being gay and working against gay rights. The fact that there is so much commotion about closeted republicans, and the fact that they are elected to office without telling their voting base how righteous they are, just proves that these closeted republicans are ashamed of themselves (which they shouldn't be) for being gay, and they KNOW if their voting base found out they were gay, they would have no political career as republican.

As much as I agree with outing for hypocrisy, I'd like to hope it's more than opportunism. I mean maybe it's fucked up to hope these people are so psychologically fucked that they're self-hating and have to be secret about this ( Hello Ted Haggard ), but it's a serious conflict of religion and genetics.

Yes, I am going to be the prick that brings religion into the debate, because these guys vote against gay rights and AIDS funding based on religion, not fiscal policy. It's absurd among other things, and it's a shame they feel the need to hide this based on not a paycheck or stature, but what the religious community will judge them for.

[Kuya]

Outing used in a malicious context reaffirms the idea and affect of homosexuality being something wrong and therefore something to be ashamed about. Whether they're "hypocrites" are not is not relevant in the sense that the outing is being done in a malicious manner.

I'm not surprised though, many gays still answer to accusations with "It's not my fault!". Self victimization and deprecation is nothing new here.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Outing used in a malicious context reaffirms the idea and affect of homosexuality being something wrong and therefore something to be ashamed about. Whether they're hypocrites are not is not relevant in the sense that the outing is being done in a malicious manner.

I'm not surprised though, gays tend to answer to accusations with "It's not my fault!". Self victimization and deprecation is nothing new here.

Truth is malicious because it's true. The intention isn't to be harmful, it's to expose.

The documentary doesn't expose homosexuality as being wrong, but then again, you wouldn't have anything to post if you couldn't argue a contradictory talking point regardless of your personal feeling or stance on the issue. Just because you constantly post against the majority doesn't make you a rebel, it makes you a misfit.

[Kuya]

Truth is malicious because it's true. The intention isn't to be harmful, it's to expose.

The documentary doesn't expose homosexuality as being wrong, but then again, you wouldn't have anything to post if you couldn't argue a contradictory talking point regardless of your personal feeling or stance on the issue. Just because you constantly post against the majority doesn't make you a rebel, it makes you a misfit.

It doesn't seem like you have any real arguments here, so i think it's safe to assume i should ignore you.

edit: well you do, but you can't really argue with someone who doesn't have knowledge of the subject at hand.

[Beckwin]

I like this premise because as Vuitton said, it destroys any credibility these people have with the public at large and especially their voting base.

I don't quite remember the sequence of events for John Edwards' infidelity outing, but it seriously hurt his credibility. And while he wasn't actively campaigning against extramarital affairs, he did portray himself to the public as a family-man sort of guy... certainly wasn't a free-love advocate, that's for sure. Similarly there's a popular Florida padre who's been exposed as a bit of a ladies man, when he, as a catholic priest/bishop, actively campaigns against extramarital sex.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

It doesn't seem like you have any real arguments here, so i think it's safe to assume i should ignore you.

edit: well you do, but you can't really argue with someone who doesn't have knowledge of the subject at hand.

Why don't I have knowledge of the subject at hand? I crusade for gay rights, I march with gay friends, and I am personally effected by the hypocrisy of GOP reps that are gay yet vote against gay rights through my social circle.

A public life is exactly that, no one should complain that when their paycheck is given to them by the taxpayer that their personal lives are exposed. Unless they are privately employed by government and don't solicit donations for office based on their convictions and promises.

[Kuya]

For starters, i can't even tell what hypocrisy you guys are talking about.

[miokomioko]

"Hypocrisy" would be if this guy was also marching/speaking for gay rights. Oh wait, he wasn't.

[Beckwin]

the hypocrisy is pandering to the gay=evil crowd (the core of the anti gay marriage movement) while being gay.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

"Hypocrisy" would be if this guy was also marching/speaking for gay rights. Oh wait, he wasn't.

Sorry but if you're fucking dudes and voting against dudes fucking then you're a hypocrite. I'm sorry you didn't make it to your GED but here's a Dictionary.com

[miokomioko]

Sorry but if you're fucking dudes and voting against dudes fucking then you're a hypocrite. I'm sorry you didn't make it to your GED but here's a Dictionary.com

So, you're saying... that this guy... was fucking dudes... in complete secrecy... while at very the same time... trying to outlaw... dudes fucking dudes in secrecy... ?

[archibaldcrane]

The whole ordeal sounds pretty lulzy to me, should be fun, break out the popcorn.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

So, you're saying... that this guy... was fucking dudes... in complete secrecy... while at very the same time... trying to outlaw... dudes fucking dudes in secrecy... ?

Yeah, grats for being a dipshit. You can play the literal game when it works for you. I'm sorry you're too ignorant to debate hypocrisy. It must be tough for you putting orders through the register when someone asks for a double bacon cheeseburger without cheese.

[archibaldcrane]

The Finesse - while I agree with you, you suck...like really hard. Just so you know.