Zhaylom Remants question...

[Jtmoney2424]

During our last Zhaylom run, we ended up not getting enough ranged cells to pop the 5th floor frog NM. We got one from the initial chest and 2 from one of the mobs in the NE room. We normally always have 4+ ranged cells but got unluckly last night for some reason. Is it recommended to save the first 2 ranged cells you get in the 2nd floor NE room to duplicate just in case no more drop? Also, is 2 ranged at least guaranteed to drop in the NE room? If so, then the ranged from the initial chest, we can let our brd use and just duplicate the other 2 with the socket.

[Thorny]

During our last Zhaylom run, we ended up not getting enough ranged cells to pop the 5th floor frog NM. We got one from the initial chest and 2 from one of the mobs in the NE room. We normally always have 4+ ranged cells but got unluckly last night for some reason. Is it recommended to save the first 2 ranged cells you get in the 2nd floor NE room to duplicate just in case no more drop? Also, is 2 ranged at least guaranteed to drop in the NE room? If so, then the ranged from the initial chest, we can let our brd use and just duplicate the other 2 with the socket.

Save the first 2 ranged and rings cells, don't use them until you get another drop. It's not guaranteed to drop though, you can get 0 ranged or 0 rings from the whole room if unlucky :X It sounds like your group is newer, but it's possible to pop both 3f frogs by clearing the whole floor of mamool and still get 6f to pop, or get extra rings/ranged from 4f south, or just pop 5fs and kill that to pop 6f. If you get 0 rings or 0 ranged you can't really recover and hit 5fn whatever you do so you have to settle for 6f+boss(the poroggo on 4fn CAN drop cells but the chances of getting 3 of the type you need are basically 0).

[mallister]

yeah you can (and will, eventually) get boned hard in z b/c of the celldrops. just tough it out and adjust your targets when it happens.

[Corwen]

Save the first 2 ranged and rings cells, don't use them until you get another drop. It's not guaranteed to drop though, you can get 0 ranged or 0 rings from the whole room if unlucky :X It sounds like your group is newer, but it's possible to pop both 3f frogs by clearing the whole floor of mamool and still get 6f to pop, or get extra rings/ranged from 4f south, or just pop 5fs and kill that to pop 6f. If you get 0 rings or 0 ranged you can't really recover and hit 5fn whatever you do so you have to settle for 6f+boss(the poroggo on 4fn CAN drop cells but the chances of getting 3 of the type you need are basically 0).

Are you sure its possible to pop both 3F frogs? I tried this a long time ago clearing south first and popping that frog after getting screwed on 2F cells then clearing north path completely and the north one never popped. This was before the January patch on zhayolm that changed pop conditions on 1F frog though so this might have changed since.

[cdgreg]

I know the threads are probably getting a bit lost in this forum, but OP look for a thread dedicated to each of the remnant zones with probably 50+ pages and give them a read when you're bored.

[Julian]

Are you sure its possible to pop both 3F frogs? I tried this a long time ago clearing south first and popping that frog after getting screwed on 2F cells then clearing north path completely and the north one never popped. This was before the January patch on zhayolm that changed pop conditions on 1F frog though so this might have changed since.

I remember this NOT being possible, although I don't really remember if anyone actually tried. (What with the whole only one frog in the dat for the 3rd floor)

Anyway, poidh, I suppose.

Like others have said, do either 4fN or 3fN if you get ring/range screwed.

[Gwynplaine]

I'm fairly certain Wafik and/or Aurik's group attempted to do that long ago and they found that only one frog spawns on 3F (must be anyway since zones mob list only supports one). If you're desperate you could also try for a random cell drop from frogs on 4F but eh.

[Thorny]

maybe i'm thinking of a run where we cleared south for cells then north for 15s :s probably am wrong, it was a while ago.. you can still pop 5fs to maintain 6f though

[tymora]

Bring THF or /THF and it will be really rare to go w/o ranged & rings. My group saves the first 4 of each but we use w/e we get on the first.

[Arthars]

We normally always have 4+ ranged cells but got unluckly last night for some reason.

there is no always

you can also get jewed from ring cells

sometimes you can also end up with only 2 range, 2 ring cells, and theres nothing you can do about it. this means you need to choose another route for 6F frog since 5F is no longer possible

all i can say is, always wield thief knife, and always always safe up the first 2 range and ring cells until you get 4

[pchan]

Can't pop both frogs on 3F. If you only got one range cell (from chest), you can still kill 5FS and pop 6F easily if you dupe range, as you would have 2 person unlocked. It's possible to pop 5FN even if you got only 2 range or even zero, but you would need to farm the porrogos on 4F (and repop the floors probably). I've never farmed them, but they are supposed to drop random equipment.

[Hanyoko]

My groups would always hoard Ranged, Ring, Body cells untill all the lizards + mamool were dead, then decide what to duplicate. Although we have not been screwed by lack of body cells yet, the possibility for that to occur is there (slightly rare since there is ummm 16+ mobs that can drop it); but if we had more then enough ranged/ring we would dupe the body cells since those unlocked can provide a nice boost in killing/healing power earlier.

[Shassira]

all i can say is, always wield thief knife

No That thing makes your thf incredibly gimp, it makes me sad. Swaping it at the end of NMs is the only time i like to see a thf with it ; ;

and always always safe up the first 2 range and ring cells until you get 4

Indeed. Just hold rings and range until you see 3+ drops. Even if so, you'd do well holding for a ranged so you can have at least 4 of them. My setup for this zone has been MNK, THF, BLU, RDM, WHM, BRD (or change the whm for a sch, but we don't have that one available anymore). We make the main three MNK, THF and RDM, so a fourth ranged is needed for the brd. Normaly we get enough cells to actualy unlock 4 people completely, which means at least 5 ranged.

It's been long since we got screwed on cells, but it can happen even if you take all precautions.

[Narse]

Although we have not been screwed by lack of body cells yet, the possibility for that to occur is there (slightly rare since there is ummm 16+ mobs that can drop it)

Has happened to my group once, almost. Ended up, in the first room, having only 4 rings and 2 ranged, so we had to switch to the BRD being one of the fully unlocked (fortunately had gotten a ranged from start chest), and later on the run we just did not get body cells. Had gotten 2 from the first room, and one from the starter chest, but the initial 3 unlockers used the body cell, and since we changed to a BRD unlocking due to a lack of ranged cells, we needed another body cell. Had to go back after completing the rooms and clear them out, got a 4th body cell on the 2nd to last cell dropping mob of the last room.

[ringthree]

We always have the three full unlocks be the first two melee and the BRD.

Also, I would suggest always porting up in the NE wing, and don't have anyone use cells in that room until you know how many extra items you need.

[Hanyoko]

We always have the three full unlocks be the first two melee and the BRD.

Also, I would suggest always porting up in the NE wing, and don't have anyone use cells in that room until you know how many extra items you need.

Back/waist being exempt from this since those (as far as i have ever seen) are 100% 2x drop per cell dropping mob.

[Fridell]

We always have the three full unlocks be the first two melee and the BRD.

Also, I would suggest always porting up in the NE wing, and don't have anyone use cells in that room until you know how many extra items you need.

Just curious, why the BRD ?

[tymora]

Just curious, why the BRD ?

I prefer unlocking the RDM. BRD seems like a waste.

[Scorp]

People do this as a cautious step, assuming bad luck strikes, unlocking Bard means you can get by with ranged or ring in opening chest and 2 drops of each from lizards/mamool. Rings are generally more use so you could dupe them and still have 3 unlocks.

In the 2 times we've not seen enough drops we've just gone for either boss or the 15 hands frog to rescue something from the run and left.

Personally I'd recomend saving any ring/range cell until you've cleared the opening room then make a decision to duplicate whichever you need most. Certainly save ranged/ring when you are on the 2nd floor already.

[ringthree]

Back/waist being exempt from this since those (as far as i have ever seen) are 100% 2x drop per cell dropping mob.

I don't think this is the case.