Blizzard has their own AV, and his name is Arthas...

[Kimiko]

http://www.ensidia.com/article/269/e...d-for-72-hours

Basically the short of it is this, Ensidia was suspended for 72 hours, and had their achievements & items revoked after their world first kill of Arthas in Icecrown Citadel. Apparently one of there rouges was using Sardonite Bombs during the encounter which caused a glitch during the encounter (something to do with the frozen throne being misclassified as a siege object if I read it correctly), allowing them to "bypass" a phase of the fight. Of course, Blizzard responded by a 72 hour suspension of the entire guild for "Abuse of in-game mechanics or glitches with intent to exploit or cheat in World of Warcraft."

Coming from someone like myself who has never even once touched WoW before, frankly these guys are getting screwed royally. How the hell does Blizzard fail to test perhaps the most important event in the games history, then suspend/ban people for discovering the glitch during an attempt?

[Noobta]

Not the first time Ensidia has exploited a world first. Karma etc

[Eanae]

Yes it seems this bug does relate to our kill. We had no idea that our Rogues using Saronite Bombs in their rotation (as they always do) was causing it and thusly it occured every try we did. Short version, we're not going to stop trying the boss when all we are doing is playing our normal game. It would be nice if these kinds of things, much the same as Holy Wrath on Anub, were tested before release.

It does make the fight easier, but we are 100% sure it would have died either way. It only affects one of the easier phases.

As a side note this only occured in 25 man.

They knew, they kept going with the ecounter. Ensidia has been known to do whatever they can to win. I wouldn't be suprised if they knew and then played dumb.

[Tenjou]

Blizzard has their own AV, and his name is Arthas...

expected/10

[Cleverness]

All the top raiding guilds cheat since the days of BWL(maybe MC, but then again it was called Molten Bore for a reason). Always have, always will.

[The Blackrose]

All the top raiding guilds cheat since the days of BWL(maybe MC, but then again it was called Molten Bore for a reason). Always have, always will.

Would be MC, considering Conquest's little "exploit" with Garr's room.

[Vobent]

The massive shit storm going on various wow forums is really, really hilarious. People trying to defend ensidia, people relating it to the yogg/0 kill done by....some other cheating guild. Not to mention, some drama queen is appearntly quitting over it....Muqq? I think.

[Titanss]

is Blizzard going to have to release a vague video of the fight?

[Eanae]

If they do it better have chat log zoom ins.

[Korietsu]

http://www.ensidia.com/article/269/e...d-for-72-hours

Basically the short of it is this, Ensidia was suspended for 72 hours, and had their achievements & items revoked after their world first kill of Arthas in Icecrown Citadel. Apparently one of there rouges was using Sardonite Bombs during the encounter which caused a glitch during the encounter (something to do with the frozen throne being misclassified as a siege object if I read it correctly), allowing them to "bypass" a phase of the fight. Of course, Blizzard responded by a 72 hour suspension of the entire guild for "Abuse of in-game mechanics or glitches with intent to exploit or cheat in World of Warcraft."

Coming from someone like myself who has never even once touched WoW before, frankly these guys are getting screwed royally. How the hell does Blizzard fail to test perhaps the most important event in the games history, then suspend/ban people for discovering the glitch during an attempt?

Quite frankly, they deserve the ban. They have a well known habit of exploiting early and often for world firsts, and then throwing shit fits when they don't get them.

[Tulun]

Fight looks fun. 25 man a million times worse than 10 man? Killed first day and all that >.>

[Vobent]

Quite frankly, they deserve the ban. They have a well known habit of exploiting early and often for world firsts, and then throwing shit fits when they don't get them.

Biggest bawing shit fest ensidia threw was when they said yogg/0 was mathematically impossible, and then some chineese guild out of nowhere beats them to it. Then they say, "Oh, we didn't know it was a race, we could of done it had we known." ..or something like that.

[Gulkeeva]

Well.. ensida could of 'not kept exploiting the bug" once they ound it.. obviously someone would notice...

supposedly theirs a parse somewhere shows them completely ignoring the Valkyries (which are supposed to pick you up and toss you off the edge that breaks off) but without it.. can just ignore them. supposedly doing this breaks something else... (not his frost aoe blast thing or avoiding that defile black swirl stuff)

[Titanss]

are there guilds that every one knows about like ls's on XI? or is WoW just too big?

[Ohaigaiz]

are there guilds that every one knows about like ls's on XI? or is WoW just too big?

there's a few. i heard of this guild years ago. something about they get paid to play wow.

of course, if you're on that server, you've heard of all the good guilds. i know of elitist jerks and juggernaut which are in the top 5 i think? other than that nothing is quite 'world wide' known because there aren't forums like BG(besides EJ i guess? to which i only read about class mechanics on that forums).

[The Blackrose]

supposedly theirs a parse somewhere shows them completely ignoring the Valkyries (which are supposed to pick you up and toss you off the edge that breaks off) but without it.. can just ignore them. supposedly doing this breaks something else... (not his frost aoe blast thing or avoiding that defile black swirl stuff)

That's because the Saronite Explosives restore the parts that break off, thus negating everything.

[Vobent]

Point is moot anyway, Paragon just killed him legitly on their first attempt. 25-man, of course.

[Kimiko]

That's because the Saronite Explosives restore the parts that break off, thus negating everything.

Then at best, reset of achievements/items and reset the encounter after it's hotfixed. Problem solved. No justification for any form of ban in this.

[Correction]

Coming from someone like myself who has never even once touched WoW before, frankly these guys are getting screwed royally. How the hell does Blizzard fail to test perhaps the most important event in the games history, then suspend/ban people for discovering the glitch during an attempt?

A lot of the hatred coming Ensidia's way is a mere product of their fame so most commentary isn't being even-handed based on that alone. Yeah, they've intentionally glitched bosses and gotten loot out of it, so the only thing to examine is the degree of the punishment and whether this represents a big policy shift on Blizzard's part, and how big the move was. To my memory, the only big bans handed out prior to this were:

1. Overrated's guildwide ban for messing with AQ40 terrain data.
2. Dozens of guilds using the Rampage bug to one-shot world bosses and Hakkar
3. Exodus using LOS and healing aggro to ignore adds during P3 Yogg0

Of the things on this list, Ensidia's offenses most closely resemble the Exodus exploit, mostly for the 'haha what's so hard about this phase' encounter skip it represents. It's subjective though, no two people will see the similarities the same way (Exodus's discovery was equally accidental), and you'll never really know what was going on in the minds of Ensidia's leaders when suddenly they had all this extra room to ignore Valkyrs and spread out more during Vile Spirits. Their claims of complete innocence will go unchanged.

Comparing this to AV though is just straight up retarded. Blizzard has learned over time to design encounters where surviving the boss's damage and learning the cause/effect relationship between player abilities and mob behavior is intuitive and reproducible within the skillset already honed to killing every boss we've seen this expansion. AV is none of these things, and remains an unsolvable, years-old frustrating puzzle locked behind some extremely bad design.

Well.. ensida could of 'not kept exploiting the bug" once they ound it.. obviously someone would notice...

This is an unrealistic expectation from guilds who define their existence by how quickly they can clear content. Clearly they measured smiliar risks when they killed Vashj and C'Thun.

[The Blackrose]

Then at best, reset of achievements/items and reset the encounter after it's hotfixed. Problem solved. No justification for any form of ban in this.

It's already hotfixed. Basically anything that caused Siege damage caused the stage reset. Two items total.

The big irony out of all of this is the person who years ago delivered a big "Fuck you, fix this shit or I quit" to SOE over Plane of Time is working on World of Warcraft, and I don't doubt that he had a hand in this encounter.