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  1. #1
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    Blinking Constantly As A Tank

    I just want to know because I've been getting some gripe from mages in my shell. For my PLD/NIN build I like to have two sets of gear; one is for when shadows are down and one is for when they are up. Switching between these obviously causes me to blink out for a second, and apparently the mages have difficulty getting cures off.

    So basically heres my question: Is swapping gear for occasions when shadows are down worth the detriment of maybe a mage missing a cure or two?

    Frankly I think they can macro in to cure a certain party member so it shouldn't be a problem. I also think that when shields are down and you swap to Shield Skill/VIT/Def gear you gain a significant advantage in the fact that while you may have shadows down for 5-10 seconds you have substantial damage mitigation over if you had just stayed in your /NIN haste/enmity build.

    So am I a horrible tank who is just pissing people off or do I have good reason to do what I do?

    Oh yeah I also have a MDB/Magic DMG%- build I swap into if I see I'm about to get raped by a big magic spell, which also blinks me out.

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    you are blinking when mages want to cure you the most. (aka shadows are down and you are getting pounded on)

    I prefer not as much blinking. (some is ok) But most people here think I am lazy for saying that.

    With in reason work w/ your mages over it.

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    I don't blink much when tanking, because if I do then I lose Utsusemi count. A shadow might go by while blinking.

    I do use shadows while tanking though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizerdRemora
    I don't blink much when tanking, because if I do then I lose Utsusemi count. A shadow might go by while blinking.

    I do use shadows while tanking though.
    My whole point is that I'm not going to blink until I have no shadows left and both Ni and Ichi recast are down. And to the first responder, why can't you just have your mages make their macros "/ma 'Cure V' Keno"? I mean if you're main tanking the fight, and you're a good tank they shouldnt be curing other people much anyways. And it wouldn't kill them to make two sets of cure macros, one for main tank and one for <st>.

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    I rarely use Cure V because most of the time I want to use Cure V I have 4 other people seeing you in red and saying OMG must help WHM cure. (which I am not complaining about) so depending on my other mages' or cotanks habits etc I mostly toss out Cure 3s + regens.

    I rarely have a problem with the tanks I work with. It's mostly the DD that swap 150 times a fight.

    edit: Work with your mages on the "Keno" stuff. It's them you have to convince.

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    Dependant upon what you're tanking and where, should dictate how many gear swaps you use.

    Dynamis, for instance, you should try to stick with a nice, well rounded, hybrid gear mix, so you don't "blink."

    BCNM's or small LS events, you should try and maximize your potential by mixing a vast array of gear swaps, including TP, DD, Shield, & Enmity sets.

    Medium sized events, I'd just have two sets, like you're doing. One for recasting Utsusemi or Flash, and one for when Utsusemi is down, which would be a Shield setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keno
    Quote Originally Posted by WizerdRemora
    I don't blink much when tanking, because if I do then I lose Utsusemi count. A shadow might go by while blinking.

    I do use shadows while tanking though.
    My whole point is that I'm not going to blink until I have no shadows left and both Ni and Ichi recast are down. And to the first responder, why can't you just have your mages make their macros "/ma 'Cure V' Keno"? I mean if you're main tanking the fight, and you're a good tank they shouldnt be curing other people much anyways. And it wouldn't kill them to make two sets of cure macros, one for main tank and one for <st>.
    this arguement should be brought up to your mages not to us (btw I hate the idea of personalized macros for tanks, I have enough jobs at 75 I'm already cluttered with macro pages, and I don't personaly like using the macro load/save function)

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    Tell your mages to stop using lol<t> macros and use party and alliance macros and names for tanks.

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    Seriously, people haven't learned <p1>, etc macros yet?

    Teach your mages this, and keep swapping your gear around.

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    It's awesome to hear I can blink as much as I want without worry. I shall inform the mage army! By the way, what are the alliance macros? Like I know <p1> is for player one in your party and etc, but is there a macro like that for alliance members? I'm guessing <a1-12> is too simple.

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    I am glad to hear you convinced your mages.

    Good luck.

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    <p0>~<p5>
    <a10>~<a15>
    <a20>~<a25>

    When I cure on WHM (or on BLM >.>) I use my macros set up for this. I dont do it with cure 1 or 2 cuse its kinda of pointless and I only use them to wake people up, so I just use <t> for those. Each tier cure takes up one macro bar, 6 slots for my PT and other slots for alliance members or tanks. Yes it takes up a lot of room, but it's much easier this way.

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    are you switching macro pallets?

    or you have 15 macros for cure 5? I am not following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fng
    are you switching macro pallets?

    or you have 15 macros for cure 5? I am not following.
    If I understood him correctly, he has a different macro pallet for each tier of cure.

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    The party and alliance tags only work when you are in a party or alliance. People in the outside curing party are SoL, and by extension, so are you.

    The first law of outside curing is: "The moment you have someone targeted for a cure is the time that he/she will pick to change gear."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    The party and alliance tags only work when you are in a party or alliance. People in the outside curing party are SoL, and by extension, so are you.

    The first law of outside curing is: "/blockaid is on? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fng
    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    The party and alliance tags only work when you are in a party or alliance. People in the outside curing party are SoL, and by extension, so are you.

    The first law of outside curing is: "/blockaid is on? "
    QFT. Too much stealy going on recently, wouldn't want to risk it.

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    best to just swap 'non-visible' gear, ie. shield torque, boxer mantle, etc. and leave the rest of your 'visible' gear alone, therefor you won't blink.

    The only time i macro swap visible gear is when i pop sentinel, since the valor boots would make sentinel go up to 100% instead of 90%.

    As for the mages who use the <a00>-<a05>, <a10>-<a15>, <a20>-<a25>, that's a lot of macros just to have for just one job. Not to mention that you'd need it for cure III and IV (and possible V). The ffxi limitations prevent that, and also not having the right macro set on can get annoying if you miss.

    Personally, i use <st> on all my spells (as a pld). And i do cure outside of my own party for that. Makes easy targeting for party members as well, as you can just hit F1-F6 and target that member asap.

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    Yeah I use <st> macros as well, and I dont change visable gear on pld very often.

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    Hmm, I suppose you can go with only swapping non-visable gear but then you're missing out on 17 shield skill.. Not a huge deal I guess, especially if it saves your life because a mage got a cure off. I like the idea of just getting the mages used to <p1> <a20> etc. commands.

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