RDM/NIN tanking help

[sleekmotorwurkz]

A good friend of mine just left the game and left me with her account which has a 75rdm on it. Now one of my jobs being a NIN myself I decided I wanted to turn her into a tank. Ive seen a few shells tank hnms with rdm and Ive always wanted to do it, but my rdm is 37 and I never got the chance to get it up there. Just basically looking for some wal-mart gear suggestions to fill in the slots, and maybe which r/ex pieces to use for what situation. She gave away most of her sellable gear, so I can buy back a few if necessary but for the most part all she has is rare/ex.

She has all her AF, tabard+1, 4/5 duelist (feet +1) no hat, 4/5 zenith no dalmy. crimson feet and legs, Etherial earring, tamas ring (which i could switch for sattva). Only AH pieces I have gotten so far are chainsaw swords+1 x2, and warwolf belt.

After the gear is settled, maybe some advice on strategy. From what I have seen they start out the fight with chainspell (insert high hate spells here) and have trick attacks going off while mages work their way up to higher tier spells. Still being a somewhat novice rdm, but an experienced tank, It seems like a lot of work to keep up haste, refresh, utsusemi, stoneskin, phalanx, and keep enfeebs on the mob all while tanking. Typically on rdm/nin tanked mobs I would assume that there would be another rdm to keep up haste/refresh/enfeebs or am I wrong there? Maybe whm for haste, another rdm in ally to keep up enfeebs, and keep refresh on yourself? Thanks for the help everyone!

[Zosi]

Trick attacks are completely unnecessary, as are other mages buffing you. Stop thinking like a NIN with more spells and start thinking like a RDM. Every spell you cast is a method of increasing your hate. At all times, you should be casting the spells that gain the most hate per unit of MP. You should be loaded up with haste and enmity gear, and ideally you'd have two BRDs in the tank party, one singing double March, one singing double Ballad. A single BRD singing March/Ballad can suffice. Remember that getting your Utsusemi recasts down lower also reduces your hate spell rotation's recast, meaning you can pull a tighter rotation without resorting to more inefficient spells. Remember that you can (and should) cure yourself for hate whenever possible, and that Convert isn't just there for more MP, it's also a huge hate spike to Cure IV yourself twice.

If you need more advice, go watch QolSol or HnaNMs fight something with your filters off, they pretty much always use rdm/nins.

[Alibeemac]

Spam spells like Bind, Sleep, Sleep 2, Dispel over and over for hate. Spam cures on other party members who need it for extra hate. Convert and Cure IV gives you lots more hate and use whenever needed. Put up refresh and haste on yourself only. It isn't your job to refresh/haste the rest of the party. You are a tank, not a standard alliance RDM. Keep up Stoneskin/Phalanx/Utsu whenever needed. You will be surprised how much hate you get so quickly. RDM/NIN is pretty broken as a tank. There is absolutely no need to use Chainspell unless something goes wrong like hate reset and you need it back quickly or you get switched in late or something. CS is a huge hate getter but if you are tanking from the start you won't need to use it if the melee and other mages sit back for a min or 2 to let you build hate. Standard party setup with a RDM/NIN tank is RDM/NIN, Tank 2, WHM, RDM, BRD, BRD.

As for gear, I have the following setup:

Weapon: Machi+1/Seveneyes
Head: Warlocks Chapeau+1
Body: Dalmy / Duelist Tabard (Dependant on mob)
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Legs: Crimson Cuisses / Nashira Seraweels (Dependant on mob)
Feet: Crimson Feet (Can't afford to shell out for Dusk for RDM/NIN which I rarely use)
Back: HBM
Waist: Trance Belt
Neck: Harmonia Torque
Rings: BQ Ring/Merman's (Going to get Mermaid's instead of Merman soon as one is on ah that hasn't been jacked up)
Earring: Loq / Eris

[Naramaska]

Standard party setup with a RDM/NIN tank is RDM/NIN, Tank 2, WHM, RDM, BRD, BRD

On that note, we've been dinking around with...

Tank1, Tank2, RDM, BRD, BRD, COR

If the jobs are Cure-dependant (or augmented) for hate like PLD or RDM, it's abso-freaking-lutely hilarious to give them up to 13MP/tick in addition to what they innately have. You can just set a WHM in a second PT if you need Cure5's, since I can't honestly think of many fights anymore where you'll need Erase.

[MarkM.]

Another spell that I didn't see mentioned that does gain hate is blind. If you like to merit on rdm, you could also get blind II.

[Titanss]

Make a mule on bahamut ...watch FI at camps.

[Seditedi]

Another spell that I didn't see mentioned that does gain hate is blind. If you like to merit on rdm, you could also get blind II.

Blind II is a waste. Horribly MP inefficient compared to any other spell used for hate as well. I'd rather just cast Blind a few times instead of using Blind II. 5 MP vs 31 MP and Blinds recast time is almost nonexistent anyway.

[Naramaska]

Another spell that I didn't see mentioned that does gain hate is blind. If you like to merit on rdm, you could also get blind II.

Blind II is a waste. Horribly MP inefficient compared to any other spell used for hate as well. I'd rather just cast Blind a few times instead of using Blind II. 5 MP vs 31 MP and Blinds recast time is almost nonexistent anyway.

Not to mention you've got so damn many other spells you can rotate in the same span of time--Bind, Sleep, Sleep2, and Dispel rotation takes up something like 8-12 seconds, more than enough to handle the recast on any of them with capped recasts, so sticking another high-MP spell in there doesn't really seem worthwhile unless the hate from it is high enough to justify bumping Sleep2 or Dispel for it, which I can't really see happening.

[donnie]

bind , sleep , dispel , blind spam
only enmity+4 from sword. you dont need anymore
and rest are combo of HP , haste and fast cast equips depends on what mob
you have to get magic dmg taken and MDB for some mobs too.

[blue]

Hmmmm I asked myself wouldnt be the Goliard Saio be a nice alternative for those who dont have dalm/af2 body?
I know it has -5enm but would it hurt that much? On the other hand it has haste+4% and hp+42 (and clown-effect+7).

[Septimus]

Hmmmm I asked myself wouldnt be the Goliard Saio be a nice alternative for those who dont have dalm/af2 body?
I know it has -5enm but would it hurt that much? On the other hand it has haste+4% and hp+42 (and clown-effect+7).

The negative enmity is caused by it being so ugly that mobs don't even want to look in you general direction.

[Medivac]

Spam spells like Bind, Sleep, Sleep 2, Dispel over and over for hate. Spam cures on other party members who need it for extra hate. Convert and Cure IV gives you lots more hate and use whenever needed. Put up refresh and haste on yourself only. It isn't your job to refresh/haste the rest of the party. You are a tank, not a standard alliance RDM. Keep up Stoneskin/Phalanx/Utsu whenever needed. You will be surprised how much hate you get so quickly. RDM/NIN is pretty broken as a tank. There is absolutely no need to use Chainspell unless something goes wrong like hate reset and you need it back quickly or you get switched in late or something. CS is a huge hate getter but if you are tanking from the start you won't need to use it if the melee and other mages sit back for a min or 2 to let you build hate. Standard party setup with a RDM/NIN tank is RDM/NIN, Tank 2, WHM, RDM, BRD, BRD.

As for gear, I have the following setup:

Weapon: Machi+1/Seveneyes
Head: Warlocks Chapeau+1
Body: Dalmy / Duelist Tabard (Dependant on mob)
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Legs: Crimson Cuisses / Nashira Seraweels (Dependant on mob)
Feet: Crimson Feet (Can't afford to shell out for Dusk for RDM/NIN which I rarely use)
Back: HBM
Waist: Trance Belt
Neck: Harmonia Torque
Rings: BQ Ring/Merman's (Going to get Mermaid's instead of Merman soon as one is on ah that hasn't been jacked up)
Earring: Loq / Eris

pretty much nailed it but gonna mention a few things i would do diffrently.
weapon: Terra Staff, machi+1 is good but if your spamming spells you dont need it
Feet: relic feet are good
back: HBM is easily substituted for resentment cape, or cerb manlte. only reason i say that is using a charge on HBM while tanking should be last thing you are focusing on
rings: bomb ring is meh, if ur taru i say use it. use emnity+2 ring and MDB+1 ring

order of spells sleepII sleep blind bind dispel repeat spam spells until you get hate cureIV is a big hate puller as well, then once you have it stop until another rdm pulls it off you. good practice is on lolskygods or jorm

[Saraphym]

I believe one the more important aspects of rdm/nin tanking is utilizing haste to max potential. Since rdm can haste themselves + have the benefits of fast cast and access to plenty of fast cast/haste gear, it's not too difficult. I think having the proper eq sets and swapping them accordingly is key in tanking as rdm/nin. I'd imagine the only real difficult part would be holding hate which you'd have to build up gradually over the course of the fight.

[donnie]

rdms are the best tanks in game period . only if you know how to play it well though .. mostly because they are 100% self suffecient (sp?).

[LakshmiPuba]

If you are planning on taking it anywhere hardcore you'd want some pretty intense super macros with emnity, Fast Cast, MdB, and HP/Def/Physical-DMG taken gear. If you have a good tanking partner haste gear isn't as necessary, although fast cast is good. RDM/nin is all about getting your hate up high on the list, after you get some hate (usually good after a few minutes, its wise to swipe on a Terra's Staff over x2 Machdlfasd w/e +1s. As said before A LOT of the gear is really situational. If i was gonna give a I guess "basic"(includes lots of r/ex stuff) it would look like ;

Weapon: Mach +1 x2, Terra's Staff, Genbu's Shield (For a half/half setup).
Head: AF1 and AF2
Body: Dalm and AF2
Hands: Dusk / AF2
Legs: Nashira / Blood
Feet: Ataractic Solea (Azure Exp. Mdb+4), Blood / Dusk
Back: HBM(Really useful for a taru like myself lol), Cerb / Gigant Debatable
Neck: Harmonia's Torque
Ranged: Lamian Kaman +1
Ears: Static Earring(Mdb), Loq Earring, Eris Earrings(+1s)
Rings: BQ / Jelly / Satva / Unyielding(I Think thats the 2 MdB one), D Ring(Join HNA or QS if u want one of those for rdm lol)
Shadow Items would be good also if you had em. The list is pretty intense but thats what I would set for a goal if you ever got into it hardcore. For food id eat Carbonara or something, for more HP, but i've seen lots of people eat tacos.

Also carrying mind gear/enhancing skill+ gear for stoneskin is a smart thing to do. I see a lot of ppl that don't swap in for it and honestly it does make a big differnce)

[Medivac]

If you are planning on taking it anywhere hardcore you'd want some pretty intense super macros with emnity, Fast Cast, MdB, and HP/Def/Physical-DMG taken gear. If you have a good tanking partner haste gear isn't as necessary, although fast cast is good. RDM/nin is all about getting your hate up high on the list, after you get some hate (usually good after a few minutes, its wise to swipe on a Terra's Staff over x2 Machdlfasd w/e +1s. As said before A LOT of the gear is really situational. If i was gonna give a I guess "basic"(includes lots of r/ex stuff) it would look like ;

Weapon: Mach +1 x2, Terra's Staff, Genbu's Shield (For a half/half setup).
Head: AF1 and AF2
Body: Dalm and AF2
Hands: Dusk / AF2
Legs: Nashira / Blood
Feet: Ataractic Solea (Azure Exp. Mdb+4), Blood / Dusk
Back: HBM(Really useful for a taru like myself lol), Cerb / Gigant Debatable
Neck: Harmonia's Torque
Ranged: Lamian Kaman +1
Ears: Static Earring(Mdb), Loq Earring, Eris Earrings(+1s)
Rings: BQ / Jelly / Satva / Unyielding(I Think thats the 2 MdB one), D Ring(Join HNA or QS if u want one of those for rdm lol)
Shadow Items would be good also if you had em. The list is pretty intense but thats what I would set for a goal if you ever got into it hardcore. For food id eat Carbonara or something, for more HP, but i've seen lots of people eat tacos.

Also carrying mind gear/enhancing skill+ gear for stoneskin is a smart thing to do. I see a lot of ppl that don't swap in for it and honestly it does make a big differnce)

people dont use mnd spwap becauseit would cause you to blink. its easy to say "hey have a whm make macros" but in all honesty plds or other rdms would get more hate by curing you. as far as good does dorado sushi is good for +enmity but if your a taru definatly use HP food

[Septimus]

rdms are the best tanks in game period . only if you have 15-20 minutes to let them build up sufficient hate so that the DDs won't take aggro and die instantly if they cough at the mob.

:-"

[Medivac]

rdm take maybe 1 minute before blms can start nuking. and they dont lose hate. hell if you have 1 rdm tanking you almost must have another to pull hate off it, pld have the edge at the begging of fight by using dancing edge and JA's though

[Dalek]

rdm take maybe 1 minute before blms can start nuking. and they dont lose hate. hell if you have 1 rdm tanking you almost must have another to pull hate off it, pld have the edge at the begging of fight by using dancing edge and JA's though

wut

[Medivac]

i was saying that rdm/nins dont take long to get hate at all