Where in the World is Osama bin Laden? (movie)

[Exoduso]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=swEIU67t24g

I gotta see this lol...

[Blarg]

I like that guy, he made the movie Super Size Me, I'll probably see this one too.

[Tomiko]

That looks like it'll be pretty good.

[guartz]

what, I don't get it.

Everybody knows where he is... I mean, don't you guys?

Is this a joke or something?

[sunb1ind]

Kinda funny, but also kinda sad at the same time lol

I don't think I'm going to lay down 8-9 bones for this, the mockumentary-style comedy works best on the internet IMO.

[Lordwafik]

8-9 bones? What are bones?

[Atlasion]

Hah. That actually looks really good.

"How do I say don't take me, take the camera man?"

[Mizango]

Yeah, Morgan Spurlock is the man.

[Myst]

i loved supersize me.

[Maxxthepenguin]

most importantly, what exactly created bin Laden to begin with.

<America> >_> <_<

[Khamsin]

most importantly, what exactly created bin Laden to begin with.

<America> >_> <_<

America did not invent terrorists. It's not as if the world would be a happy peaceful place without terrorists if we were an isolationist country. Some of our policies made some of the already-existing terrorists pissy, and they unsuccessfully try to get us to change them. They can use us as an excuse for a rally cry, but they'd have found an excuse either way to build their numbers.

If you're referring to us supplying them with weapons back when they were helping us out, then all I can say to that is that people can change sides and they would have had weapons and training by now anyways, even if we didn't give them a nudge. It's not as if they'd be using sticks and stones without us.

Bottom line is that while we may piss off terrorists with the way we do things, it's not our fault that they exist. They're already there, and it's not appropriate for us to change things just to appease such a small number of faceless people that aren't even part of a single nation that we can be diplomatic with. They're response to the frustrations of dealing with America is wholly inappropriate and should not be encouraged through appeasement. It should be protected against with heightened security and attempts at eliminating the threat until they give in to us.

And I'm liberal, btw. I hated Bush.

[MisterBob]

most importantly, what exactly created bin Laden to begin with.

<America> >_> <_<

America did not invent terrorists. It's not as if the world would be a happy peaceful place without terrorists if we were an isolationist country. Some of our policies made some of the already-existing terrorists pissy, and they unsuccessfully try to get us to change them. They can use us as an excuse for a rally cry, but they'd have found an excuse either way to build their numbers.

If you're referring to us supplying them with weapons back when they were helping us out, then all I can say to that is that people can change sides and they would have had weapons and training by now anyways, even if we didn't give them a nudge. It's not as if they'd be using sticks and stones without us.

Bottom line is that while we may piss off terrorists with the way we do things, it's not our fault that they exist. They're already there, and it's not appropriate for us to change things just to appease such a small number of faceless people that aren't even part of a single nation that we can be diplomatic with. They're response to the frustrations of dealing with America is wholly inappropriate and should not be encouraged through appeasement. It should be protected against with heightened security and attempts at eliminating the threat until they give in to us.

And I'm liberal, btw. I hated Bush.

100% agree

[Bebopaloo]

8-9 bones? What are bones?

you crazy aussies.


dollars, good sir. bones are a slang term for dollars.

[Saga]

8-9 bones? What are bones?

you crazy aussies.


dollars, good sir. bones are cruise control for cool.

[Maxxthepenguin]

most importantly, what exactly created bin Laden to begin with.

<America> >_> <_<

If you're referring to us supplying them with weapons back when they were helping us out, then all I can say to that is that people can change sides and they would have had weapons and training by now anyways, even if we didn't give them a nudge. It's not as if they'd be using sticks and stones without us.

That's exactly what I'm referring to. We didn't give them weapons, we gave him weapons. And his anti-americanness was not as rabid then but its potential in his radical beliefs was there, we just chose to work together to destroy communism. So we gave him training, we gave him weapons. You say that he would have gotten the money, training, and weaponry anyways but how? Who would have done all of that? I'm not sure, because it would have required a military superpower on his side and, frankly, I don't know any that would have been.

In any case, whether it was inevitable or not, we did end up being the cause of his power.

[Khamsin]

most importantly, what exactly created bin Laden to begin with.

<America> >_> <_<

If you're referring to us supplying them with weapons back when they were helping us out, then all I can say to that is that people can change sides and they would have had weapons and training by now anyways, even if we didn't give them a nudge. It's not as if they'd be using sticks and stones without us.

That's exactly what I'm referring to. We didn't give them weapons, we gave him weapons. And his anti-americanness was not as rabid then but it was there, we just chose to work together to destroy communism. So we gave him training, we gave him weapons. You say that he would have gotten the money, training, and weaponry anyways but how? Who would have done all of that? I'm not sure, because it would have required a military superpower on his side and, frankly, I don't know any that would have been.

In any case, whether it was inevitable or not, we did end up being the cause of his power.

I was going to ninja edit my :ashira: mistake, but now that I've been quoted a couple times, that won't work! At least no one has noticed...

But anyway, on topic, our support was a one-time thing way back then. Any money we gave them has long since been spent. You have to be naive if you don't think they get a lot of money and weapons rolling in from other sources. That area of the world has some of the filthiest rich (and dirt poorest) people alive. I'm sure there's at least one oil baron with unlimited funding willing to donate a few bucks for their cause. If they didn't keep getting money from somewhere, they wouldn't even be around anymore.

I will concede that we may have given Osama what he needed to get his foot in the door at the time, so maybe we are the reason he is where he's at now as opposed to some other guy. But would some other guy really have been any better or worse? If we had never given them support, we would have never gained their assistance at the time we needed it, and in present times, the terrorist organizations would still be there anyways. You give us too much credit if you think that without us, terrorist organizations just as dangerous as Osama's wouldn't exist without our one-time offering of support.

But perhaps I read too much into your statement, and if I take it at face value, you may be correct. Maybe we did give Osama power, and the fact that someone else would have just filled the role otherwise is irrelevant.

[Alleya]

Coddling Israel, killing Muslims, calling our military operations "crusades", referring to the enemy as islamic terrorists, supporting brutal dictators while simultaneously trying to push our systems and beliefs on strategically irrelevant countries nearby...these things do not fucking help us when it comes to terrorists wanting to kill us. Moderate governments in power and peace in Gaza, two things America has actively worked against for going on a century now, will go lightyears further in solving the problem than military action (which just exacerbates it). We might not create the terrorists per se, there will always be nutjobs (that's just humanity), but our destructive policies give them ample reason to want to blow us up. We don't create them, sure...we just, you know, sustain them ideologically and add hundreds to their ranks every day.

[Septimus]

what, I don't get it.

Everybody knows where he is... I mean, don't you guys?

Is this a joke or something?

Why yes, everyone knows that...

But I think I lost that slip of paper, so could you tell me where he is, you know- latitude, longitude, altitude, landmarks, preferable air routes to get there, defensive capabilities, times when no one is looking so that it would be easy for special forces to slip on in and wisk him off to the Hague? I, umm... Forgot to send him a Valentine's Day card... Yeah, that sounds convincing.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I will concede that we may have given Osama what he needed to get his foot in the door at the time, so maybe we are the reason he is where he's at now as opposed to some other guy. But would some other guy really have been any better or worse? If we had never given them support, we would have never gained their assistance at the time we needed it, and in present times, the terrorist organizations would still be there anyways. You give us too much credit if you think that without us, terrorist organizations just as dangerous as Osama's wouldn't exist without our one-time offering of support.

But perhaps I read too much into your statement, and if I take it at face value, you may be correct. Maybe we did give Osama power, and the fact that someone else would have just filled the role otherwise is irrelevant.

Terrorist organizations just as dangerous as Osama's that aren't Osama's didn't launch a direct attack on America. Whether or not they're potentailly just as dangerous isn't the issue... They. Didn't. Succeed.

The fact is, one of the ones we supported is the one that attacked us.

And plus, we did these deals in the 80s and by that time Russia was almost completely in shambles anyways due to the failing concept of communism, or at least their way of doing it (though we didn't exactly know it.)

More or less, we did it and whether it was inevitable is unknown. The moral of the story: the enemy of your enemy is only your friend while you share the enemy.

And now we're funding radical Islamists who might potentially be our future enemy to defeat Al Qaeda. Freaking great huh.