Sylph Server Salvaged Soldiers Squalls

[Jada]

Ok, I seriously don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been at this for almost a year and not one upgrade what so ever. We are able to defeat NM's along the way some we never even popped. Rampart-NM-Spitters haven't spat out anything in gear since we tried this. (unlucky? expected even after 7-8 months of nothing?)

Bosses, even with the strats that are on this site I don't see how 2 mnk/nins, a job that is not good on def will work. plds? maybe?

How the hell do some people do runs with only 6 people and beat bosses? I don't see how. I went along with a group that calimed they didn't it and they got their butts handed to them.

Bhaflau - 2nd floor Fomor NM. 16 mobs 4 imps. How do people combat this w/o dying? Can you gravity the imp and kite it while you kill the fomor? Or is it easy to kill the imp and sleep the fomor? Sleep seems to not work on fomor from what I seen.

Arrapago - 3rd Floor NM. Does any one go after this one? It seems pointless...

[Iced]

2 mnk/nin's are fine to tank the MB's. When we go with just 6, we don't have a problem, except maybe BR if we don't kill all the gears to weaken HM.

With haste that SV marches, shadows aren't a problem and even without SV marches, it isn't too bad. Are you rdm's enfeebling capped? We also have a rdm use a mnd potion @25% for more effectiveness when they get spammy.

2nd Floor Fomor I assume your referring to SSR Powderkeg. If you link, would be recommend to have your rdm grav and kite the fomor and kill the Imp first. The 3rd Floor QQ is easy to do, alot of strats in this area you could look at and they work well.

There is always a point in killing all the QQ's in BR otherwise whats the point of going. Including the 2 that pop on the 6th floor if you can clear the gears and ramparts in under 7mins.

FYI: You can't sleep the Fomors in SSR so don't even bother wasting MP on that.

Edit: I don't know why you haven't seen a drop for the NM's in BR that the Ramparts spit out, there isn't anything that I can tell that causes them spawn more often, seen 7 spiders and 8 bees in same run, but have also gone a month or so without a single one. Even with TH4, the drop rate isn't the best in the world. On that particular run, 1 Macha's cuffs and 2 Hikazu Sune-Ate dropped.

[Ferien]

I apologize in advance if I start to sound like an asshole.

Ok, I seriously don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been at this for almost a year and not one upgrade what so ever. We are able to defeat NM's along the way some we never even popped. Rampart-NM-Spitters haven't spat out anything in gear since we tried this. (unlucky? expected even after 7-8 months of nothing?)

Do you bring a THF to your runs? Have you even gotten the NMs to pop? Their drop rate isn't even that terrible without TH.

Bosses, even with the strats that are on this site I don't see how 2 mnk/nins, a job that is not good on def will work. plds? maybe?

MNK/NIN doesn't need Defense, it has Utsusemi. Keep them hasted, keep them cured, paralyna'd, etc. The fight relies on good MNKs who know what they're doing and good healers who know what they're doing. If you have neither, you shouldn't be fighting bosses.

How the hell do some people do runs with only 6 people and beat bosses? I don't see how. I went along with a group that calimed they didn't it and they got their butts handed to them.

Read above. Cleared Arrapago just the other night with MNK WAR THF RDM WHM BRD. Again, skilled healers, skilled tanks, or don't bother.

Bhaflau - 2nd floor Fomor NM. 16 mobs 4 imps. How do people combat this w/o dying? Can you gravity the imp and kite it while you kill the fomor? Or is it easy to kill the imp and sleep the fomor? Sleep seems to not work on fomor from what I seen.

Assuming you mean SSR. If you do get a link, kill the imp and kite the fomor, they run slower than you do. Realistically though, they're not difficult to pull without a link, so really, tell your puller to pay more attention.

Arrapago - 3rd Floor NM. Does any one go after this one? It seems pointless...

Why's that? Plenty of people on these boards kill it, and they kill it pretty efficiently.

From what it sounds like, you've got a big group that doesn't know what it's doing. That's issue number 1, and everything else will generally fall into place once you trim the fat and leave yourself with members who listen and actually know how to do their jobs properly. Then again, the problem could be you

[skurlover]

Ok, I seriously don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been at this for almost a year and not one upgrade what so ever. We are able to defeat NM's along the way some we never even popped. Rampart-NM-Spitters haven't spat out anything in gear since we tried this. (unlucky? expected even after 7-8 months of nothing?)

I'm confused, what NMs do you normally defeat, and what ones have you never beaten/seen?

Bosses, even with the strats that are on this site I don't see how 2 mnk/nins, a job that is not good on def will work. plds? maybe?

Has nothing to do with defense, has EVERYTHING to do with good shadows and good mages. Also, insert completely pimped SAMs and they can tank this as well. I have seen Aegis PLDs tank the fights, but my group uses 1-2 MNKs depending on the runs for most of the DoT as well as the tanking.

How the hell do some people do runs with only 6 people and beat bosses? I don't see how. I went along with a group that calimed they didn't it and they got their butts handed to them.

Same question as above. MNKx2, BRD, WHM, BRD, THF is a great group to go with. Ask Aurik, LW, or any of the other Salvage diehards how they do it. Practice, practice, practice.

Bhaflau - 2nd floor Fomor NM. 16 mobs 4 imps. How do people combat this w/o dying? Can you gravity the imp and kite it while you kill the fomor? Or is it easy to kill the imp and sleep the fomor? Sleep seems to not work on fomor from what I seen.

Fomors link together with sound, Imps link with sight. I generally pull 1-3 fomors at a time hoping to avoid the imps in that mix as well. If you get a clear shot on a imp, you can try to pull them, but more than likely you will get a couple fomors as well. Clear as many fomors as you can first (~500hp each) and then deal with the imps as you can. If this is making your group struggle after a year, you need to re-evaluate your strategies.

Arrapago - 3rd Floor NM. Does any one go after this one? It seems pointless...

For QQTH, we clear up till the furthest North room (big long room) then we send our WHM and RDM to the Teleporter room to spawn him upon opening the door. They DoT it and the QQTH takes off towards us. When he gets in range, we engage him and do as much damage as possible, hopefully killing him before he starts to run back towards the teleport room. If for some reason, he gets past the melee, we have the mages finish him off. QQTHs are easier than the QQAs (Sleepga) in my opinion.

[Uzor]

Not to sound like an asshole, but it sounds more like your group is a bunch of noobs. As been said before, you don't need DEF to utsu tank the bosses. The idea is to not get hit, not to blood tank them. As for the other points, 3F QQTH have just as high drop rate as the other QQTH's. They have horrible drop rate as it is, so you might as well get it out of the way and kill as many as possible every run. Hammerblow fomors are easy to pull and kill without links. Even if you link, it shouldn't be a problem in itself, as the fomors are easily kited.

Really, its not hard to hit all NM's on one run. Hitting all NM's and boss is slightly harder, but still possible.

Also, you say you don't know how people can do the zones with 6, it sounds to me like you go with a full alliance, or at least 15 people. If you try to go with 9 at first, you'll see how much easier Salvage is with a smaller group then a full alliance. Less is more, more or less. Really, killing a boss with 6 people is not hard. MNK MNK WHM RDM BRD is all you really need, which is 5 people. I'm sure you could kill it with less if you need to and are skilled, but MNK MNK WHM RDM BRD is, in my opinion, a sure win.

Skurlover: You can eat Poison Potions and Sleepga won't be a problem on Astrologers, if you have a problem with that getting off.

[Neosutra]

I think im going to start frapping our groups runs and make a compilation of "perfect" runs that hit all NMs and boss and where everyone does everything perfectly so new people can see what a run is supposed to be like to rock every zone with 6 people. There just seems to be alot of people having trouble with the basic stuff.

Maybe have one from the perspective of the puller, one of the main healer, and one of the tank lol.

[Iced]

Thats not a bad idea. Would save alot of time sending them a video instead of typing it out all the time

[Aemora]

Thats not a bad idea. Would save alot of time sending them a video instead of typing it out all the time

Typing/Reading Strat, 5 mins, perhaps.

Viewing Salvage, 100 minutes.

wot?

[Iced]

Read again, would save my time, not theirs

[Jada]

We do have a thf all the time. Sometimes with TH4.

an Alliance with this event is horrible. I usually go with 9-12 people.

Well, It might sound that way but we do have 3-4 people who know what do to, its just keeping people I guess would be the problem.

You can sound rude if you like. Its constructive and understandable.

so would MNKx2 RDM BRD WHM THF, would that work? BLMs arent needed really? If I threw a melee job in there would that make it better as well?

What about cor? If I don't have a brd. Can that be a good replacement?

On the Ramparts that spit mobs, is a brd a must if dealing with only 6 people?

On LAC - Would Elegant Ribbon and Merrow Locket be something worth to try?

[Iced]

We take 8, 3x MNK, THF, RDM x2, WHM and BRD to most zones. BR one of the RDMs comes RNG. We always have the THF steal from the Ramparts in BR to get them started, probably doesn't effect the rate at which the NMs might spawn, but it doesn't hurt either.

Not sure about the COR taking the BRD's spot, never did Salvage with one.

[Iced]

On LAC - Would Elegant Ribbon and Merrow Locket be something worth to try?

Here is a thread already in here that would answer this question.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=30744

[Jada]

We always have the THF steal from the Ramparts in BR to get them started, probably doesn't effect the rate at which the NMs might spawn, but it doesn't hurt either.

o.O I'll try that

[Uzor]

We do have a thf all the time. Sometimes with TH4.

an Alliance with this event is horrible. I usually go with 9-12 people.

Well, It might sound that way but we do have 3-4 people who know what do to, its just keeping people I guess would be the problem.

You can sound rude if you like. Its constructive and understandable.

so would MNKx2 RDM BRD WHM THF, would that work? BLMs arent needed really? If I threw a melee job in there would that make it better as well?

What about cor? If I don't have a brd. Can that be a good replacement?

On the Ramparts that spit mobs, is a brd a must if dealing with only 6 people?

On LAC - Would Elegant Ribbon and Merrow Locket be something worth to try?

Yes, mnk mnk rdm brd whm thf could do all zones, and BLM's aren't needed. Throw a SAM or another 2-handed melee in to the mix and you'll take down bosses in under 5 min.

As for the COR question, yes, its possible to replace a BRD with a COR. However, I prefer a BRD over COR. But then again, you can have both.

[Gaea]

Most recently did Zhayolm Remnants with 6 without too much difficulty. MNK/NIN SAM/NIN SCH/WHM BRD/WHM RDM/DRK THF/NIN

This can be one of the hardest chariots to low-number because of the "4400 needles" Discoid move. Fortunately, its stunnable, hence the RDM/DRK who managed to peg it everytime stun was up. The other times we had to eat it, Stoneskinga negated about half of its 700+ potential damage.

Having more people on chariots can be nice, even if you have to have a couple hang back until someone goes down and they run in and take their place. Thing's you don't do are allow more than 2 people to melee the chariot, though ranged attacks are OK. Less people allows you to nearly fully unlock you entire group rather quickly and take out several NMs without worrying too much about time.

While I'll agree with Uzor its possible to kill every boss with 5, your margin for error gets pretty small and you'd have to have your RDM subbing DRK for BCC.

[Bakthi]

COR is really good to have in Salvage, but I wouldn't take one instead of a BRD if I could help it. Elegy on a chariot is irreplaceable, and if you can get a BRD with a Storm Fife, that's a consistent 5 MP/tick on top of whatever else your healer might be getting (Sanction refresh, RDM or drink refresh, ToAU ring, body/head gear, and maybe even that COR). But yeah, it sure is nice when your COR manages to reset BRD and MNK 2hours.

I guess a good summary would be that we have a COR whenever we can, but we don't do bosses (and rarely do any runs at all) without a BRD.

[Uzor]

Naw, don't need the RDM to sub DRK with 5 or 6 on BBC. We've always had the RDM sub WHM without any problems. A bonus is if the WHM have rings, weapon and body unlocked, and have him equip Medicine Ring after every Discoid for a total of +30% Cure potency, assuming its not lightsday or light weather.

[Ferien]

We do have a thf all the time. Sometimes with TH4. an Alliance with this event is horrible. I usually go with 9-12 people. Well, It might sound that way but we do have 3-4 people who know what do to, its just keeping people I guess would be the problem. You can sound rude if you like. Its constructive and understandable. so would MNKx2 RDM BRD WHM THF, would that work? BLMs arent needed really? If I threw a melee job in there would that make it better as well?

My group generally does runs with MNKx2~3 WAR THF WHM RDM BRD(horn). Our full roster is a lot bigger, but the rest either just joined or come sporadically. The setup you described is considered the ideal 6-man setup. BLMs aren't needed, though they're helpful for QQs in Arrapago and for bosses. Extra melee can be either a benefit or a hindrance, depending on whether or not they listen, and how well-geared they are.

What about cor? If I don't have a brd. Can that be a good replacement?

It's ok, but COR doesn't have March or Elegy, so I'd rank BRD higher on bosses. However, COR+BRD is absolutely amazing, and if it's an option, you should definitely take it. MNK's roll and Wild Card rock for boss fights.

On the Ramparts that spit mobs, is a brd a must if dealing with only 6 people?

It's not a must, but it certainly helps. The Rampart mobs don't hit hard enough to matter, and any decent melee can obliterate them pretty quickly.

On LAC - Would Elegant Ribbon and Merrow Locket be something worth to try?

Worth a shot, but kiting during Brainjack is easier and more reliable.

[Jada]

Naw, don't need the RDM to sub DRK with 5 or 6 on BBC. We've always had the RDM sub WHM without any problems. A bonus is if the WHM have rings, weapon and body unlocked, and have him equip Medicine Ring after every Discoid for a total of +30% Cure potency, assuming its not lightsday or light weather.

Medicine Ring - 75& HP and 100% tp is what im reading on that. True?

[Uzor]

under 75% HP and under 100% TP, not over. I love my Medicine Ring.