Is kiting around an object a bannable offense?

[Amok]

I killed Sandworm today with a pick-up pt. I was RDM 64 and kited it around a rock in Merri Mountains. The pathing as per usual made it so he barely ever hit me. It FEELS like cheating, so I was wondering if they could have GM'd me for that. The rule afaik says something about 'using the environment' which is definitely what I did. It's just not the same as WOJ.

[Day]

I doubt its a bannable offense, but it probably depends on what GM you got, who made the call, if your record is clean, etc... Probably just tell you to stop most likely, I can't really see getting banned for that.

[Charismatic]

Well, I saw someone GM a Ninja who was kiting Despot around a tree in sky and nuking it with Ninjutsu... the Ninja soloed it this way.

Supposedly the GM said that he was killing at a decent speed and there was nothing wrong with that tactic, so I assume that it'd be fine, especially with Sandworm since no one gives a shit about it.

[Brill Weave]

You're manipulating the kiting path to help yourself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you did. There would be no feasible way that you would even have to talk to a GM, let alone get banned. Unless you're kiting it without causing damage and holding it from other people that are able to kill it. Then you may get a trip to Gaol.

[Amok]

That makes me feel more at ease. I recall there was a glitched pathing around a porter on Faust floor which let a solo RDM make him run around endlessly by only moving forward and back a little. There's a similar glitch in dunes. The pathing around the rock was so inefficient that the sandworm was behaving in much the same way. That last part is what made me worry, because the previous two examples were said to get you jailed.

[Sonomaa]

if the mob can still get to you its not bannable, if the mob cant get to you, its bannable (wall of justice, etc)

[Maxxthepenguin]

if the mob can still get to you its not bannable unless somebody else REALLY wants it, if the mob cant get to you, its bannable (wall of justice, etc)

[Aihree]

As said, it depends on the GM. I've had a Despot taken away from me for kite+bio+poison (killing as blm/rdm) and I couldn't do any faster since I didn't have a refresh source at the time. Because I wasn't killing it 'fast enough' for the GM's tastes, he gave me the usual "Release claim or zone or be suspended". Needless to say, I like my clean record, so I did as told. Grumpiness ensued for the rest of the week.

[Darwinion]

Best use of mobs pathing for kiting like this was soloing the level 20 NM fight in Valkurm Dunes (one for the Mercurial Kris). Did this a couple of times but that was before the Goblin Bountyhunters were added to the zone. Dunno if it's possible now because of those mobs, but hell yeah... that was fun pulling that one off. 8)

[Judai]

kiting around a rock feels like cheating? lol... Sono got it right, unless you are doing something where it's impossible for the monster to reach you, it's not cheating. Using terrain is a tactic, using a wall the mob cant get through is cheating.

[Tythera]

I've seen people get jailed holding KV with those plants so it's really just going to depend on how retarded the GM is

[Spekkio]

I've seen people get jailed holding KV with those plants so it's really just going to depend on how retarded the GM is

key word there is holding. doesn't matter if it's sleeping, being kited or otherwise, holding is a GMable offense. if, however, you're fighting it, then it's not holding. they do need to come to some consistent definition of what holding is vs killing for DoT fighting. one GM will not call holding on an LS when they're sitting with a tiamat at 100% for 45 minutes. other GMs...well... everyone remembers the picture of the GM berating the pld for using an earth staff.

[orson]

if the mob can still get to you its not bannable, if the mob cant get to you, its bannable (wall of justice, etc)

Seriously end of thread this is the truth. Unless a GM thinks you're holding but I've gotten Ulli killed with Blm (healer/Bio) + War (Kiting) as long as you're actually making an effort to kill the mob then 90% of the time you're fine. SE has also said there holding policy has become less strict because of the addition of rage timers. Now if you're holding a quest NM so someone can't get it or something like that then you're grieving basically that'll get you in trouble.

[Brill Weave]

well... everyone remembers the picture of the GM berating the pld for using an earth staff.

Don't suppose there's a link to that one? I didn't see it before :ashira:

[Spekkio]

well... everyone remembers the picture of the GM berating the pld for using an earth staff.

Don't suppose there's a link to that one? I didn't see it before :ashira:

i had to summon google to find it (searching for "GM" on the board gets the term ignored...wish i could circumvent that...) but here you go.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=13391&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
"Fighting with an earth staff is not considerable damage."
granted, earth staff, cerberus, kinda silly, but the intelligence of the player is not requisite to call the above quote radically ill informed. were they holding? dunno, but either way, claiming a pld w/ an earth staff is not doing enough damage is a ... moment.

[The Stig]

That would be:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7459/griefbgtm9.jpg





On a side note, if kiting is cheating or bannable, or whatever, then what about the mobs? They cheat a fair amount themselves, from going through doors, walls, ceilings/floors, lifts, insta-porting on top of you at times (i.e. in Palborough Mines) and linking/turning around/being the most random at the worst times possible. :D

[Brill Weave]

Wow. What a fucking moron. It really does make you wonder if the GM's have ever even played the fucking game or if they are just like level 10. Thanks for the link and screenshot.

[Izzy]

Wow. What a fucking moron. It really does make you wonder if the GM's have ever even played the fucking game or if they are just like level 10. Thanks for the link and screenshot.

I still get mad every time I read that shit...

[Genosync]

... I wonder if the GM even realized that Cerb can Stoneskin himself, and he does it a lot. They probably did upwards of 50-60% dmg if it didn't have that.

[Woozie]

I've seen people take 45 minutes to take Cerb down to 95% while a GM was watching and the GM not do jack shit about it >.>;;;;;;

And it wasn't a one-time thing. I've seen this done a lot on phoenix, usually by the same LS. The same LS who wasn't considered to be holding when they fought Tiamat from noon till the sun went down (litterally. I'm not exaggerting).