Ninjutsu Skill?

[EdgeMoragan]

A friend of mine recently argued that I should stack lots of Ninjutsu+ on my nin, this same friend seems to wear AF2 boots almost full time (or from what I've seen, it could just be macro'd incredibly often).

Should I be wearing jutsu pieces whenever I can? I currently believe in a TP/Enmity setup with a macro for WS gear and haste%'s as needed. I tend to have a diff set of macros for endgame function which is more Enmity based than the meripo TP/enmity setup.

Any thoughts? Is hate affected by whether you do or do not land a jutsu? Also is it very important for a ninja to be landing jutsu in events such as dynamis?

[Fistandantilus]

Tanked plenty of things with Nin/Drk and my ninjutsu was like 50 below cap when I hit 75, nearing cap but still not there yet (Lvl'd in a 2brd static with 2 outside PL's, anything other than doing dmg was essentially useless lol) and I use 0 ninjutsu skill gear, have never had issues holding hate. Whether you land the spell or not doesn't have an effect on how much hate you generate, otherwise Nin/Drk and Rdm/Nin would not really be able to tank at all, since on both majority of the spells have no effect or are resisted. If you're on Nin/War tossing in skill where you can't get enmity for enfeebling or nuke spells wouldn't hurt but I really don't see it being a big deal at all.

In Dynamis I don't really see why ninjutsu landing would be very important, hate is usually bouncing around on dynamis mobs quite a bit and they die quickly for the most part. If it's a boss or something that needs enfeebles usually a RDM will do them.

If your friend wears AF2 boots fulltime... well I think that says enough about him to know you can ignore pretty much everything he says.

[Chen]

higher skill on smn means a lower interuption rate on summoning an avatar,
maybe he was refering to recasting shadows while being attacked?

[Weeks]

Don't listen to your friend.

[Wizerd]

I'm not gonna say that Ninjutsu skill is useless or anything (it's certainly not useless), but damn. Full-timing anything with Ninjutsu is shameful.

[Dalmbraast]

Haste/Att/Acc/+stat > Ninjutsu in any slot. Maybe swap out some +nin skill pieces while casting enfeebs, but don't wear them full time.

[Lyramion]

Ninjutsu Skill influences the Shadows taken by AOE attacks of a certain kind like Whirl of Rage. For example it´s quite comfortable when everyone /NIN loses 3 Shadows per AOE in Einherjar by BOSS AOEs but you only lose 1 or 2.


Wearing +Ninjutsu skill items full time for that purpose tho is like a BLM wearing an Emperor hairpin trying to evade stuff.

[Maaglin]

I macro in my ninjutsu skill set for soloing/low manning shit. Otherwise, it never leaves my mog safe.

[fantasticdan]

Just macro it into enfeebles. And yeah your spells will generate hate even if resisted.

[Amastacia]

Whether +skill is useful or not is heavily dependent on what you're doing.

For any HNM tanking or endgame events like Dynamis, it's pretty useless. You're not casting Ninjutsu because you need the debuff effects on a monster, so it's better to use +Enmity and +Haste to increase hate gain and decrease recast.

For solo and small group play, +Ninjutsu is fabulous to have. Anything that's pushing recast timers pretty hard can do a lot of damage if Kurayami or Hojo resist. In my experience, the difference between 269 and 307 (I don't have AF2+1 feet, Ninjutsu Earring, Stealth Earring, or Astute Cape) is pretty noteworthy when you start casting on VT-level stuff.

That said, full-timing Ninjutsu gear is pretty much always made of fail. Macro in for debuffs when needed, macro back out.

[Ehran]

For solo and small group play, +Ninjutsu is fabulous to have. Anything that's pushing recast timers pretty hard can do a lot of damage if Kurayami or Hojo resist. In my experience, the difference between 269 and 307 (I don't have AF2+1 feet, Ninjutsu Earring, Stealth Earring, or Astute Cape) is pretty noteworthy when you start casting on VT-level stuff.

I've gone ahead and capped Ninjitsu merits, and I've found that to be sufficient for landing all the debuffs (Para/Blind/Slow) when soloing VTs. I've gone ahead and added some Magic Accuracy gear to my debuffs (Denali Feet), but that is something that I carry anyway, and isn't taking up more

It's more a matter of personal preference, but I would rather have Haste/Evasion over Ninjitsu skill. If worse comes to worse, you can always go back to the lolelemental wheel and use an elemental debuff before you enfeeble to help it stick (Raiton -> Hojo).

[Abraxas]

I use only my Af1 headpiece for skill+. I mainly do solo limbus and the enfeebles stick long enough. I dont see a reason to spend gil on more equipment until i need it.

but as it was pointed out, using it for solo/low-man stuff isnt that bad, otherwise, it takes up some valuable slots

[maddadon]

+ ninja magic is not useless=--- but as always- shit is situational.

I use it a lot for low man and for solo stuff. Solo-Ninja/Dnc is a monster esp when you are landing enfeebs on IT's. Its fun

Using + NInja Magic gear full time is- as has been stated already- not a good idea.

[Danielb]

the +7 dex @ night is good for jin

[Rags]

I went ahead and caped Ninjitsu merits. Thus I don't have much need to be dragging around that kind of gear anymore. Ninja AF2 feet were great awhile ago. But once S.E introduced merits. It made them pretty much useless. To be honest I dont think they would be worth it for lower lvls either. Just use the ele wheel to make the mob weak to the stength of the buff.

I'm to the point where I don't give a crap about gear anymore. It just seems all worthless in the end. Chr72+99 and I mischarm on a D/C mob.

[Lyramion]

I went ahead and caped Ninjitsu merits. Thus I don't have much need to be dragging around that kind of gear anymore. Ninja AF2 feet were great awhile ago. But once S.E introduced merits. It made them pretty much useless.

With merits it´s fine up to low VT. High VT spawns and IT will start to resist your stuff even with merits.

[Weeks]

VT Marids are low VT and resist my Hojos pretty often with full merits. Not often enough that I'm going to drag out my ninjutsu build when I go marid-farming, but plenty often enough to be a pain in the ass.

[evilpaul]

I really wish they'd add more Magic Skill merits since mine are capped from BLM. I get resisted on merit-level mobs pretty frequently with just the AF head macroed in.

[Rags]

VT Marids are low VT and resist my Hojos pretty often with full merits. Not often enough that I'm going to drag out my ninjutsu build when I go marid-farming, but plenty often enough to be a pain in the ass.

Stupid thing is with the way S.E's formulas works. You could still add in the +ninjitsu gear and still miss more then you should or would like too. Causing you to go WTF regardless.