Every ridill owner is a n00b... including me???

[Mohican]

Obviously the thread title is for fun, but just trying to get a few more views. And who knows, I haven't played my WAR in forever.

I play BLM about 95% of the time. BRD about 4% and WAR, unfortunately never.

With new merits becoming available I'm going to pull out WAR to change it up a bit for meriting. (blm solo is when I need buffer, and brd pulling gets boring very quick). All I've seen lately is people trashing adaberk/ridill wars. Now I don't have an adaberk, but do have a ridill... this is in the Newbie question board b/c I just wanna know without 10pages of math.

I played WAR a pretty good bit this week, and was never outparsed (although 2 drg's came within 2% when you included wyverns). These were not super parties with relic's/etc... but I keep reading ridill WAR's not knowing how to 'use' their ridill. This is the part I don't get, but I'm thinking if I don't notice who the n00b ridill war is... maybe I'm him.

so to make it shorter and quit blabbing. I'll just post my gear/typical situation and let you decide how I can improve. (within reason, i'm not buying dusk+1 just to recap merits at this point)

TP:
man/ridd - bomb core
wal-turban
p-charm
suppa
brutal (even with ridill this is still the right choice correct? I remember some long thread about it)
hauby+1
dusk
sniperx2 (have tamas b/c i play blm or brd most of the time)
amemet+1 (obv. foragers, but currently lvlng rng and thf in mid 60's)
swift
byakko haidate
unicorn leggings

WS: (noting changes)
n.head
gorget
armada hands (depending on what i'm fighting n.hands sometimes)
warwolf belt
heca feet

Should I be going war/sam with g-axe? (have 8 axe/sword merits, but could change them)

I serk/aggressor/warcry when I can charge before WS if I can... keep shadows up when I can, defender after triple attacks/firespits/etc...

thoughts?

[DAKPluto]

Throw away the gorget on WS. Sea Gorgets on multi-hit WS = garbage.

[Dantrag]

WAR/SAM > WAR/NIN

<< ridillberk war. 5/5 DA merits 2/5 Bergressor After playing a few times on /SAM i'm not dropping my DA merits for nothing. But 2h will win out easily over /NIN.

The only thing that sucks about you not having rajas is that you can't get a 6hit setup w/o a cor. +7sTP on top of /sam will give you the 6hit setup with byakko's or perdu.

[ringthree]

Throw away the gorget on WS. Sea Gorgets on multi-hit WS = garbage.

There is still some dispute about this, probably not too wise to make such radical statements without support.

[Max™]

Throw away the gorget on WS. Sea Gorgets on multi-hit WS = garbage.

>.>

Still people spread this false information.

A Sea Gorget gives the same accuracy as a PCC, and a unique damage boost to the first hit.

It is a PCC +1 for all intents and purposes, not garbage.


There's not dispute, the only explanation in the fast blade WS tests (with no native DA trait/gear) for the increased 2nd/3rd hit accuracy with the Gorget, is that Gorget gives accuracy to all hits. My own tests were tainted by my DA rate, but still lined up with the same 5%~ increase in hits landed.

[Starr]

Buy a Fire Bomblet

[Xrave]

There's not dispute, the only explanation in the fast blade WS tests (with no native DA trait/gear) for the increased 2nd/3rd hit accuracy with the Gorget, is that Gorget gives accuracy to all hits. My own tests were tainted by my DA rate, but still lined up with the same 5%~ increase in hits landed.

The margin of error and variance on those tests show that the results could have been a fluke. Same as the tests showing P.charm was better.

[Mohican]

WAR/SAM > WAR/NIN

<< ridillberk war. 5/5 DA merits 2/5 Bergressor After playing a few times on /SAM i'm not dropping my DA merits for nothing. But 2h will win out easily over /NIN.

The only thing that sucks about you not having rajas is that you can't get a 6hit setup w/o a cor. +7sTP on top of /sam will give you the 6hit setup with byakko's or perdu.

knowing I can't get a 6hit would you still recommend gaxe over axe/rid? I don't have perdu, but it's definately within reach.

[Max™]

There's not dispute, the only explanation in the fast blade WS tests (with no native DA trait/gear) for the increased 2nd/3rd hit accuracy with the Gorget, is that Gorget gives accuracy to all hits. My own tests were tainted by my DA rate, but still lined up with the same 5%~ increase in hits landed.

The margin of error and variance on those tests show that the results could have been a fluke. Same as the tests showing P.charm was better.

You're referring to the Nin/Thf with underskilled fast blade WS tests?

I did a sample of 300 WSes a while back, and got the same total increase in accuracy gorget vs no neck....

What's the margin of error regarding the likelihood for two people doing two completely different tests to get the same margin of error?

The comparison between PCC and Gorget would definitely come down to margin of error though, since they should be virtually identical.

Gorget vs no neck is another story.

[layoneil]

WAR/SAM > WAR/NIN

<< ridillberk war. 5/5 DA merits 2/5 Bergressor After playing a few times on /SAM i'm not dropping my DA merits for nothing. But 2h will win out easily over /NIN.

The only thing that sucks about you not having rajas is that you can't get a 6hit setup w/o a cor. +7sTP on top of /sam will give you the 6hit setup with byakko's or perdu.

knowing I can't get a 6hit would you still recommend gaxe over axe/rid? I don't have perdu, but it's definately within reach.

why can't you get 6 hit?

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ar_Korazin.JPG

[Gadritan]

War/sam 8/8 GA merits with perdu is going to win everytime. Set ups for it can vary quite a bit and still do exceptionally well. Still might be wise to go /nin for random merit prtys though.

[amylea]

Anyone have any parses of equally geared Gaxe vs. Rid/Joy DEX WARs? (Colibiri) or any other such parses, just curious how much /SAM "destroys" /NIN now since I haven't gotten to merit /SAM much, let alone try a 6hit, but I do want to try it out some more when I get back from my trip and whore out merits for the new extended categories.

[Kayos]

why can't you get 6 hit?

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ar_Korazin.JPG

Would you take that over
http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...manHauberk.png

/sam?

[Gadritan]

Try it yourself. Ridill owners fail as the title says. Would you really trust their parses? And the results will be totally different as your own anyways. Always parse against yourself. Just taking someone else's word usually ends in failure.

[amylea]

Like I said I can't try myself since I'm on a trip, was just curious about the numbers is all, would give me a basic idea at least.

[Therin]

why can't you get 6 hit?

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ar_Korazin.JPG

Would you take that over
http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...manHauberk.png

/sam?

If accuracy is capped (which it probably would be for birds) and that Store TP is the difference between 6 and 7-hit, then absolutely.

Still use E.Body for WS, though.

[Dantrag]

Adaberk > all.


I don't exp @ birds at all, hate them with a passion. Yes they're easier and what not. But they're defiantly not the most balanced thing to merit on. Next week Kkel is going to go on DRK so that we can see how a well geared drk does vrs a well geared warrior. I can't test ridillberk dex war because i don't know any other than ryko and he quit.

Also even with 7 hit WAR/NIN or SAM will out do a WAR/NIN with axe/ridill. I was parsing myself in a LS pt where i was helping someone get to 75 i went out WAR/NIN started off with Maneater/Ridill and found my plateau and then switched to G.Axe and i was able to push that plateau up a few more % points.

[Gadritan]

On average it seems to be about a 3% increase in overall dmg from what I've seen in merits. Don't have any saved parses though atm.

[Mrdude]

I love having ridill, and am very gateful for it, but lately I've been considering swapping merits and such to favor war/sam and great axe. The next time I merit, which likely wont be until after I ding 75 pld (67 currently), I will be trying war/sam a bit and see how I like it. Obviously, for 90% of endgame fights war/sam and gaxe is the way to go over war/nin man/ridill, but the amount of hnm dding I do is very scarce (75 ninja, 75 rdm(sigh)).

Hi Amy


Edit: missed Dantrag's post, Amys war is perfectly geared for a dex build iirc, but like she said, shes been gone on a trip.

[Dantrag]

On average it seems to be about a 3% increase in overall dmg from what I've seen in merits. Don't have any saved parses though atm.

What vrs what?