[Odin]Gordor/Kylira

[Sirsnake]

Hi,

* Name: Gordor

* Jobs: BLM75 RDM75 NIN75 SAM75 RNG75 Subs: WHM37 WAR38 MNK49 THF49 DRK37 SMN67

* Previous Server: Odin

* Previous LS
Thatotherls (Sky/limbus) - reason for leaving - members list died suddenly do to leadership issues
Obsidian (Dynamis) - reason for leaving - Questionable leadership and mysterious point amounts.



* Name: Kylira

* Jobs: WHM75 PLD75 Subs: WAR39 NIN37 BLM38 SAM37 DRG61

* Previous Server: Odin

* Previous LS
Obsidian (Dynamis) - reason for leaving - Because i switched servers.

http://vendetta.fake-wings.de/index....ewtopic&t=3235

[Renzy]

I remember them back when i was on Odin and they were both nice people, (keep in mind this was about 10 months ago lol) I was in a sky LS with Kylara and she had good attendance and a good attitude, never caused any problems.

Gordor and me were in Resurrection together if i remember correctly and he was a cool guy, good player too from what i remember. So assuming they haven't changed that much they're good pickups.

(It says 'Kylira' in the title, pretty sure her name was Kylara if we're talking about the same person)

[Aragon of Odin]

PM sent.

[Illuminos]

can't say anything about kylara.

gordor - acts like he is godgiven. which he is not, sorry. also the term of "monumental douchebag" came up when this application was talked about in our dynamis-shell. which he left for unknown reasons; i can imagine though that nobody is missing him. only things coming from him were which af2 >he< has and which >he< needs.

he's been linkshell-hopping quite a lot. after he left our ls, he went to obsidian, in which he cannot have been that long, so i don't know where the "questionable leadership and points" comes from. if you're new in a shell you adjust and suck it up. and not act like you're some superpowerful ubersam-rng-nin-rdm-blm thrown upon an ff-server by higher powers.

his rdm performance during the toau mission with naja and the gears and that blue mage was piss poor at best. and any blm nuking in af2 feet should be thrown right back at those higher powers with a little note on the back saying "denied".

Illum

[wabbit]

gordor - acts like he is godgiven. which he is not, sorry. also the term of "monumental douchebag" came up when this application was talked about in our dynamis-shell. which he left for unknown reasons;

He was in obsidian before aelita, and told obsidian he left because of his work schedule made it so he couldn't attend their runs (he was unemployed when he told them that). He applied to aelita in april, this is from his application:

What dynamis linkshells were you in and why did you leave?
Obsidian, I disliked a lot of the members so i wanted to move to a better shell that i knew people in.

He said he "needed a break from dynamis" and stopped doing runs with aelita, went back to obsidian. I don't know what he told obsidian when he returned, maybe his nonexistent work schedule improved. When I asked why he was in dynamis with another linkshell when he needed a "break from dynamis" he said "because my friend needs my help to get the win". Comments about obsidian's current leaders aside, they don't need his help to get a win in any zone.

He was afk more than actively playing most of the time. His ability to do simple tasks like "kite mobs away from mages" was limited. Slightly harder tasks like "tanking" were beyond him. He could be an acceptable rdm in merit parties if he wasn't afk, but there's more to being a good player than merit parties.

Our social LS was doing nyzl runs for awhile. He was brought along because his girlfriend was in the LS. He managed to lose goliard feet because we killed boss with ~30 seconds left, he was dead and refused to homepoint. Not because of the XP loss, he had to be allowed to lot. We stopped doing runs with him so we didn't have to deal with his entitlement attitude and the repeated "can I lot on that" questions.

"monumental douchebag" may seem harsh, but it fits.

[Qtipus]

Obsidian (Dynamis) - reason for leaving - Questionable leadership and mysterious point amounts.

That's kind of comical since everything about our points system is listed right on our website. You can do the math yourself for anyone who's active. You have every right to your opinions about leadership, but don't come out here with bullshit like "mysteriouis point amounts" when everything is right there for everyone to see transparent as day.

Everyone can feel free to check for themselves:

http://www.obsidianodin.com

If you find any discrepancy, feel free to send me a PM.

What he told us when he left Obsidian initially was that his work schedule was too busy for him to make our runs. I didn't find out he had been in Aelita until after he came back to Obsidian some 2-3 months later. Seeing this now, really makes me wonder if this guy will just say or do anything he can to get what he wants.

[ringthree]

I really wonder why neither of them mentioned being in Versus? Which Gordor was in for quite a long time before becoming a LS hopper, and Kylara (her Odin name) was in too but for less time.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

I think the comment that Odin didn't fit him any longer is an interesting irony.

I will stop here, but if you wish to have a frank discussion about Gordor you can send a PM to me, as I was a friend of his, and his LS leader for quite some time. I am sure that now this is out there will be a few more posts about Gordor. Everyone has their own little unique experience with him and Kylara (or whoever that is this time, Charlet, or someone else, etc.). Lets just say that he is very good at saying nice things, and then doing something quite different.

[Kaeko]

That's kind of comical since everything about our points system is listed right on our website. You can do the math yourself for anyone who's active. You have every right to your opinions about leadership, but don't come out here with bullshit like "mysteriouis point amounts" when everything is right there for everyone to see transparent as day.

Everyone can feel free to check for themselves:

http://www.obsidianodin.com

If you find any discrepancy, feel free to send me a PM.

What he told us when he left Obsidian initially was that his work schedule was too busy for him to make our runs. I didn't find out he had been in Aelita until after he came back to Obsidian some 2-3 months later. Seeing this now, really makes me wonder if this guy will just say or do anything he can to get what he wants.

The Obsidian point system was extremely complex compared to most LSs, yet largely automated. At least this was true when I was still in it years ago. I can see people getting confused but more than likely, the rules were followed, just he didn't understand them lol.

Good example of what happens when the leadership bends over backwards to please and address complaints... you end up changing little things every time some incredibly obscure situation occurs. 3+ years later you've built up so many little rules the LS rules are like the magna carta.

Leaving Obsidian because of a 'point dispute' is a common scapegoat response for leaving I think. It's complex, but again, automated... the code is not trying to screw you over.

[Qtipus]

+2 for being there
+1 for being late/leaving early
-1 for no-showing.
- whatever you bid if the item dropped.

It's pretty simple. The only two times when points are adjusted otherwise is when someone ran a bid up, then unsigned/noshowed (high bid dropped to +1 third place) or when they approached us after the run was over to let us know why they weren't there.

Either way, this is news to us. He never said a word to any sackholder about point issues. Anyone who knows him or has spent any time with him knows he'd mouth off about something like that. So he's either spouting off something someone told him or he's just trying to make it look like he had legit reasons for leaving the shell and server aside from chasing his on again/off again girlfriend all around SE's mainframe.

Now that I think about it, his leaving Obsidian does coincide with issues he was having with Kylara. He dated Charlet for a while, but not sure if that was while he was out of Obsidian due to "work issues". Then guess he came back when he started having issues with Charlet. Looks to be the server hop is related to Kylara too. Wonder what happens if they break up again. I just never really put that together as I generally took him for someone that was honest. Guess I was wrong. /shrug

[Illuminos]

i think that he left aelita once the liaison with charlet was over, which only makes sense.
he joined when that started.

i have no clue about his relation to kylara and the reason for switching servers.

charlet, however, didn't switch servers because she wanted to. she was transfered by someone else (she's not on hades).

i'm just jumping to conclusions now but it would not surprise me if gordor had something to do with charlet's server-hopping and then switched himself to hades.

[wabbit]

Everyone has their own little unique experience with him and Kylara (or whoever that is this time, Charlet, or someone else, etc.). Lets just say that he is very good at saying nice things, and then doing something quite different.

Rumor has it that gordor transferred charlet to a different server to get back at her for dumping him. Kaylara is not charlet, and charlet wasn't moved to the same server as gordor.


Reason #457 why not to share your account info with anybody.

[ringthree]

Kylara is Gordor's first gf. I know the difference between the two. I don't know about what Gordor did with Charlet's account or anything though.

[Cravion]

I can definitely agree that Gordor seems to think he knows everything.

I can also vouch for the fact that he's AFK more often than he's active during a run.

As a leader in ThatOtherLS, I can say that our member base did drop suddenly, but it wasn't due to leadership issues. We revamped our ls a bit and had a couple rocky runs, and I think that's why the member base dropped off. Gordor was just one of the folks who decided to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Unfortunately for us, he made off with a full kirin pop set.

Gordor's got a bad attitude (he will constantly berate anyone and everyone because his way is better), isn't trust-worthy, and all in all is not even that good of a player. His gear is good, but I'd much prefer a member with average gear and a good attitude than a member with good-great gear and a bad attitude.

Honestly, we're not sorry he left. In fact, it was probably worth a Kirin set.

"He can be someone else's headache now."

[Poppisgirl]

This is probably stuff that's already been said, or that people already know, but I'm going to say it anyways.

I'm the owner of ThatotherS and as others seem to, I have many stories about the person in question ~ more than happy to share with anyone.

To clarify on what Cravion said (not like this matters totally because Gordor was a member of both sky/limbus), but it was our Sky "wing" that had some membership issues. And it was for the reasons that Crav pointed out. That aside, everyone knows that at some point EVERY linkshell is going to have problems with attendance, members, etc. It's going to happen. Funny that this is the one thing Gordor complains about, yet "claimed" he wanted to be one of the ones to help bring attendance in sky back up. Of course he also failed to mention he was kicked once from my LS (back when it was just Limbus) because of his poor attitude and "I'm better than everyone else" belief. Being too nice for my own good, I let him back in, mistake #1.

He does AFK more than normal, afking once about 5 minutes before a Suzy pop ~ and was gone for well over an hour. Didn't say a word, and upon his return had (as always) some lame ass excuse like his dog's hair needed to be washed. His attendance dropped, and when asked why he hadn't been attending runs, I got "I"m doing Jury Duty this week" or "My dog has to go to the vet all week" or w/e else he could come up with at the time. But I'd find him EXPing another job during run times. Of course you bring this up to him, and right a way he's "afk" because of some other crisis. And the fact that he throws hissy fits like a 10 year old chid if things aren't done HIS way is pretty comical in itself.

Gordor constantly bitched about Obsidian during my run time, which he was told to stfu about. Especially since *my* linkshell doesn't do dynamis. I don't like nor allow Drama in my linkshell. We've got many members from "rival" linkshells that come to Limbus and Sky with us, and they leave their crap at the door, because I wont tolerate any less. Gordor constantly tries playing one person against another (including linkshell members/leaders) and figures everybody "owes" him something for him "allowing" us to accept him into the LS. Sorry Gord, your bubble's been busted.

Maybe a little long winded, but I've been reading these posts for a few days now and wanted to share my thoughts. Yes, he did leave with a Kirin pop set, but as one of my wonderful sackholders/leaders Crav pointed out, It was worth the pop set.

Everyone has to make their own decisions about who they let into their linkshell and who they don't, I'm just here to give you my knowledge and experiences with Gordor. Kylara I don't really know all that well, but I don't have anything nice to say either, so I won't ^^

And hey! The headache line was mine! -8000!!!!! points Crav >.>

(Feel free to send me a PM should you need and/or want any more info on Gordors actions)

[Zelly]

Gordor was in my sky shell for awhile. He actually helped us build it.

We went from just doing dio/despot, to doing everything in sky. If he didn't join, we would have ended up breaking up.

Sure, he can be mean sometimes, but you kind of have too to get things done. I think if you guys would have gotten off your high horse, and tried his way, things would have worked out.

Also, we were planning to make a Dynamis shell, and he held our 3mil bank for us. Which he returned when he ended up quitting the shell.

[Starr]

Well he's doing good so far, but he hasn't got anything he can jump ship with I guess, active and good enough player.

[Zeimeane]

I was on odin for a short time (about 11 months) and i was in STRIFE sky and he left because he was not able to lot on something, i think it was like w hands or something.

He was really nice at first but once you did something he didn't like or didnt respect as a godgiven he was an asshole to you.

I was in ressurection with him and both him and kylara left res. Its been a while since i had been there so i couldn't remember reasons ^^;

[fraguar]

OMG wow.

I can just look at 75% of these responses and give a huge LOL.

I did some time on Odin back in the day ( and yes i termed it like that because it is indeed comparable to time spent in prison ). Odin has become the worst server ever, the most people are there and 80% of them are huge douchebags.

Me and Gordor go back a long way and hes never been anything but a great friend to me.

It really doesn't help to do a BG check on a site where most of the 15 year old drama idiots hang out anyway, especially from a server where most of the jerks in ffxi reside.

I'm being serious here ive never seen a server that has more elitist retards than odin does, everyone tries to one up everyone and they think they are better than everybody.

I would take anything thats said about Gordor here with a grain of salt and would only believe about 10% of it. Kthxbai.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

OMG wow.

I can just look at 75% of these responses and give a huge LOL.

I did some time on Odin back in the day ( and yes i termed it like that because it is indeed comparable to time spent in prison ). Odin has become the worst server ever, the most people are there and 80% of them are huge douchebags.

Me and Gordor go back a long way and hes never been anything but a great friend to me.

It really doesn't help to do a BG check on a site where most of the 15 year old drama idiots hang out anyway, especially from a server where most of the jerks in ffxi reside.

I'm being serious here ive never seen a server that has more elitist retards than odin does, everyone tries to one up everyone and they think they are better than everybody.

I would take anything thats said about Gordor here with a grain of salt and would only believe about 10% of it. Kthxbai.

I dont know him or anyone else in this thead, but you're not helping his case. Out of everyone in this thread, you sound like the biggest "15 year old drama idiot" out of all the posts here.