[Odin] Hanyou (BC)

[Katou]

Greetings,

Applied to our linkshell today. Has a Mandau(recently completed as far as we know - within the last few day). THF BLM 75

[Kumbai]

I met Hanyou about 2 years ago, and he was a good friend of mine.
Unfortunately I can't really account for the past year since I moved server, but he is a very nice guy. He had a very well geared BLM and his THF was just about to hit 75 back then~

[Catilina]

He says he is from LimitBreak ls if that helps any. We really could use some more info on the guy. Thanks.

[Kicoe]

I'm in LB and personally liked Hanyou, even though he left to Ifrit at some point.
I think he was in Arthars's LS while he was on Ifrit, so maybe he can say some more about him.

When he was on Odin he knew his shit, and was a cool guy but I think some ppl didn't like that he was speaking his mind or w/e (nothing wrong with it).

Say grats on Mandau to him from me! =p

[Auronku]

I'm in LB and personally liked Hanyou, even though he left to Ifrit at some point.
I think he was in Arthars's LS while he was on Ifrit, so maybe he can say some more about him.

When he was on Odin he knew his shit, and was a cool guy but I think some ppl didn't like that he was speaking his mind or w/e (nothing wrong with it).

Say grats on Mandau to him from me! =p

All due respect to your opinion Zven, but you weren't the one that had to put up with his shit. As far as the organizers in LimitBreak go, the prevailing opinion was that he knew his shit, but the guy was too greedy for us. It was pretty clear to us that this was the kind of member that would eventually bail in the long run and felt like he would be better served in a different linkshell where greediness was not such an issue.

Among other things, he was upset that he wouldn't use our JoL sets to get him a Novio, rather than save them for the possibility of an AV fix which eventually allowed us to spam AV during the short time he was killable. He told us repeatedly that we were incompetent as leaders because we had made the decision to store our JoL pops rather than just use them as soon as we get them.

Several instances along his tenure where he made comments regarding people getting drops that weren't exactly very team-centric. Petty shit like Warping after a Kirin because we didn't give him an N. Body when we were doing more.

Prior to leaving Odin, Hanyou requested one of our members let him borrow his Ixion Cape. Few days later the linkshell learned he was on another server without having ever told us. At one point Hanyou made a mule on Odin and told the person whose Cape he stole "I'm sorry but you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time".

I'm curious as to how he finished his Mandau unless he just paid people off because he's only been on Ifrit for 6 months at the most and he didn't have the attest or fragment prior to leaving Odin so I wonder if some other shell got dicked over.

Bottom line on Hanyou is he can be a nice guy and he can be easy to get along with, but deep down he's too greedy for his own good, and if you give him enough time and chances you'll find that out the hard way. If you need more information or specifics feel free to message me, but I assure you having dealt with Hanyou in a much more formal capacity than Zven, it's not in your best interest.

[Arthars]

Hanyou is in ifrit for sometime now.

He is NOT in my LS(i dont even have my own LS lol it was a friend's) so pls dont say "Arthars's LS" XD

we both in a friend's LS doing weekend events only mainly (Dynamis sky sea etc). We pretty much a "softcore" LS only

During his time in ifrit, i think hes ok. we kinda get along and hanyou seem to be a nice guy. As for him applying to your LS, i have no idea. However i strongly think hes applying for a dynamis LS, no? Since our dynamis schedule doesnt suit him due to his IRL stuffs.

[Hex]

Whoa Too Greedy for Limitbreak? Now that's hilarious. Especially coming from you.

Hanyou's always been pretty cool in my book. Smart player who isn't one to stand around and take anyone's BS. The story I've always heard was Auronku kicked him from Limitbreak when he (Hanyou) was tops for Abody and Auronku seemed to have a history of dicking people for who were ahead of him for gear. Hanyou was on Odin for quite sometime after this all happened. So he didn't plan to steal anything and leave the server. The stealing of the Ixion cape is true as far as I've heard though. But the cape was kept after he was kicked from the LS. He figured if the LS treated him that way, why give back anything to their members who didn't stand up for him. In a way I can see why he did this just a shame Olandu got the short end.

Hanyou had his Novio earring and that is how he funded his Mandau partially from my understanding.

Honestly the guy felt he got screwed over and retaliated. Hanyou's the type of guy who will be good to you if you're good to him. Honestly, you can't beat that. If you treat your members well, I think you'd luck out having him in your LS.

[Mybeli]

I know Hanyou for more then 2 years now. He is a good guy, fair and always helpful. He switched server to Ifrit because he got screwed over by his LS Limitbreak here on Odin. On Ifrit he joined his friend's LS, which is a small group and just do stuff for fun, and from what i know his friend was the one who helped Hanyou with Mandau.
Which leads me to reply to Auronku's post, about "I'm curious as to how he finished his Mandau ... bla bla ..."

There are always 2 sides of a story, the first one is Auronku's. I got Hanyou's story and that is basically that LB leaders decided to screw Hanyou, and take him off all list but still demand him to camp shit for the LS/Leaders, because Hanyou had the nuts to say what alot members in ur own LS thinks, which is that Auronku is the greediest guy he ever met/known. And that Auronku wants always be first in anything.
(Before u tell me how not greedy u are and give me examples about u being "mother theresa", i dont care about that becuz I'm not in LB, i just giving out Hanyou's part of the story).

All in all, please tell him gratz to his Mandau and greetings. ^^

[Xajii]

Hanyou's an awesome guy. A lot of shit got spread about him for no good reason because he had a disagreement with higher ups. I think if you ask most members of LB that aren't in the "core few" that pretty much run and get everything, you will hear good things. Send him my regards if you see him!

[Auronku]

Whoa Too Greedy for Limitbreak? Now that's hilarious. Especially coming from you.

Hanyou's always been pretty cool in my book. Smart player who isn't one to stand around and take anyone's BS. The story I've always heard was Auronku kicked him from Limitbreak when he (Hanyou) was tops for Abody and Auronku seemed to have a history of dicking people for who were ahead of him for gear. Hanyou was on Odin for quite sometime after this all happened. So he didn't plan to steal anything and leave the server. The stealing of the Ixion cape is true as far as I've heard though. But the cape was kept after he was kicked from the LS. He figured if the LS treated him that way, why give back anything to their members who didn't stand up for him. In a way I can see why he did this just a shame Geddoe (right?) got the short end.

Hanyou had his Novio earring and that is how he funded his Mandau partially from my understanding.

Honestly the guy felt he got screwed over and retaliated. Hanyou's the type of guy who will be good to you if you're good to him. Honestly, you can't beat that. If you treat your members well, I think you'd luck out having him in your LS.

Not gonna sit here and play whose penis is bigger with you. I'll let our reputations among our peers speak for itself. We all want shit in this game. The bottom line is if we have to reason to believe you're a flight risk, we're going to be more cautious with you. Hanyou struck those who were actually running the linkshell as this type of person.

The Ixion Cape stolen was Olandu's who hardly even plays the game so it's not like there was any tension between the two of them. As you state Hanyou was just trying to enact some "revenge" on the linkshell. You want to say it's justified, go ahead, but I don't deal with those kind of people. Also, if he had a Novio it wasn't from us, because the part about us being incompetent for not klling JoL for him occurred days before he switched servers.

I agree with the fact he'll be good to you if you're good to him, but that attitude only lasts so long and the longer he goes without getting the shit he wants his attitude deteriorates.

I know Hanyou for more then 2 years now. He is a good guy, fair and always helpful. He switched server to Ifrit because he got screwed over by his LS Limitbreak here on Odin. On Ifrit he joined his friend's LS, which is a small group and just do stuff for fun, and from what i know his friend was the one who helped Hanyou with Mandau.
Which leads me to reply to Auronku's post, about "I'm curious as to how he finished his Mandau ... bla bla ..."

There are always 2 sides of a story, the first one is Auronku's. I got Hanyou's story and that is basically that LB leaders decided to screw Hanyou, and take him off all list but still demand him to camp shit for the LS/Leaders, because Hanyou had the nuts to say what alot members in ur own LS thinks, which is that Auronku is the greediest guy he ever met/known. And that Auronku wants always be first in anything.
(Before u tell me how not greedy u are and give me examples about u being "mother theresa", i dont care about that becuz I'm not in LB, i just giving out Hanyou's part of the story).

All in all, please tell him gratz to his Mandau and greetings. ^^

It's at least good to hear he went about finishing his Mandau in the right way and didn't try to pull some of the shit I've seen other people do. There's always 2 sides to a story fair enough, but I'd like to think the people who oversaw him in his time in LB would have a better understanding of what exactly transpired. Bottom line is we weren't comfortable giving him shit when we had all these indications he wouldn't be a good long term member.

He was never demanded to camp anything. We gave him a choice of staying in the linkshell and showing us he could be a better member and more of a team player after which he'd be in line for his shit again. He chose to stay for about a half week or so before he changed his mind and told me he was leaving.

What point would there be in me telling you how "good" of a person I am? As if you would have a reason to believe me anyway? I came here to give the opinion of someone who oversaw Hanyou in the kind of position that the people who came here looking for information are probably going to be in. If they think I'm full of shit, that's fine, but I'm merely giving them our experience with him

Hanyou's an awesome guy. A lot of shit got spread about him for no good reason because he had a disagreement with higher ups. I think if you ask most members of LB that aren't in the "core few" that pretty much run and get everything, you will hear good things. Send him my regards if you see him!

I haven't spread any "shit" about him in what I've posted. Everything that occurred with Hanyou was documented which led us to being uneasy about giving him bigger items. While I would say it's fair to say not everyone in LB is on bad terms with Hanyou, I can tell you that reaction from people upon learning about him stealing the cape was not favorable to say the least. By all means, get a variety of opinions from LB members if you wish though.

[Xajii]

Wasn't accusing you of anything, I don't know where a lot of the information came from but like Mybeli said, always two sides to a story.

[Oniken]

He stole from a LS member and caused drama whenever he didn't win items with our bidding system. Seemed to have some kind of vendetta against Auronku based mostly on the fact that he would be the one who beat him to certain items. Took the issue far enough that he screenshotted conversations he had with other members and posted them without their permission on our forums in an attempt to cause drama. Got angry when he found out who the people were who recieved LBs first AV kill items like 2-3 years prior to him joining our LS because they weren't good enough players for him in the present and he wanted them. Greedy pretty much sums it up. I wouldn't even post here if it wasn't for the fact that he stole from us, it was like a big FU to everyone he called friends.

[Hex]

You join an end game LS for items, period. When you're sitting there going to event after event and building up lolpoints and you see other members who were allowed to use said points on an item like say Novio earring but when you've the points to be 1st and ask when you'll be doing JOL and you're told that the LS isn't doing it to save their pops so in 6 years AV might be killable, I can see why the dude would have a problem.

I mean you got people in LB who a day after obtaining a Novio/Novia (yes both) magically toss that Linkpearl to join LB. I don't see how that's much different than what you're claiming Hanyou did. Except you guys told Hanyou "thanks for all the time and effort but we're not getting shit".

We can play the reputation card here and I bet a lot more would be said about LB's greed than you may wanna know. I mean Auronku used to e-hump one of the ugliest people on the planet for lolsky gear. Once he used that all up he quickly dumped that LS to join Limitbreak himself. That's real loyalty isn't it?

The fact is, seems it's going to be a negative response from the Leaders of the LS who are all very close to each other. And the sheep of the LS, sorry the non leaders will say good things. Plus you're going to get a very positive response from people that knew him as a good player and a good guy. Drama is everywhere but take caution with which side of it you get.

Linkshells tend to be quite bitter when someone becomes an ex member. Mybeli had talked at one time Hanyou may return to Odin and could be interested in my LS. We checked in with people we trusted in Limitbreak and everything came back positive.

And like everyone else, Tell him Grats on his Mandau.

[Kicoe]

Oh sry Arthars, should have said "the LS is Arthars is in". =p

And um.. "you weren't the one that had to put up with his shit"; Auronku I'm very aware of the thread on organizer forums that I believe you made, tossing my pearlsack doesn't mean that I forgot about the past. If "putting up with his shit" means like, talking to him about drop decisions and such, then I had to "put up with his shit" a few times aswell.

"Linkshells tend to be quite bitter when someone becomes an ex member." This, and everyone has a different oppinion of things, thank god.

[Mybeli]

Well it seems there are 2 sides aswell to this story. The one that see's in Hanyou the greedy member and thief who screwed a LS over. And the other one that see's in Hanyou an awesome and nice guy who got screwed over.

I dont know how LB's bidding system works and its none of my business either. But i do believe Hanyou earned his right to ask for items he worked for and when then Leaders decides to give items to longtime members, who didnt worked for the items which they are getting, then yes i can understand Hanyou's frustration. If i remember right Hanyou was a fulltime member and always active for more than a year in LB.

Regarding the JOL popset which is hold against Hanyou.
The questions behind it is: Who still wants JOL items? -> Members.
And who are first on AV item list and wants AV drops? -> Leaders.
So yeah i can understand why they rather store it for the "possibility of AV fix - no one knows how long that can take" so they can spam AV more, the items they long to have, without having to farm more JOL sets. Now guess who that benefits at all?

Its your right to tell ppl your opinion about how it is to be a leader of Hanyou and its my right to tell ppl that in my eyes and it seems not only in my eyes, Hanyou is a good guy and if ppl say Han is greedy then ppl should understand all the story behind it.

[Auronku]

You join an end game LS for items, period. When you're sitting there going to event after event and building up lolpoints and you see other members who were allowed to use said points on an item like say Novio earring but when you've the points to be 1st and ask when you'll be doing JOL and you're told that the LS isn't doing it to save their pops so in 6 years AV might be killable, I can see why the dude would have a problem.

I mean you got people in LB who a day after obtaining a Novio/Novia (yes both) magically toss that Linkpearl to join LB. I don't see how that's much different than what you're claiming Hanyou did. Except you guys told Hanyou "thanks for all the time and effort but we're not getting shit".

Will clarify the Novio situation since this is the point of contention. We've operated under the same system for sea now for years. A system which Hanyou was told about prior to joining the linkshell so if he had an issue with it, then whose fault is that he decided to join anyway? Not to sidetrack the discussion, but to give reference to what I refer to, our sea system works on a ranking system. This means everyone makes a list #1 through # whatever, keeping in mind these rankings can be changed as many times you wish prior to receiving the item. Accumulating so many points specific to sea qualifies you for your rank 1, 2 and so on. Hanyou happened to have Novio ranked 2nd at the time the Novio in question dropped. Not surprisingly someone else happened to have it ranked 1st, thus, they were given the Novio.

Upon learning about who got the Novio, Hanyou took it upon himself to chastise said member for taking his Novio and the leaders for "fucking him over". Mind you the same JoL that dropped this Novio also dropped a Novia and a Love Torque, BOTH of which went to Hanyou. It was beyond stupid to us that someone could be so oblivious to the fact that it was his own damn fault for having chosen not to rank Novio higher. Hanyou told us because the member who received the Novio was less active than he was that we should ignore this member's contribution from the past and skip over him. Even then, there were 4 or 5 other people who had the Novio ranked 1st and would of received it before Hanyou.

To his credit, when called out on it, Hanyou apologized for the incident and stated he wished he had handle the situation differently. But he maintained his position of disagreement with who the Novio went to. Now likely, people are gonna use this opportunity to rag on the system and how it's such a horrible idea. That's fine, that's your opinion. But don't tell me he wasn't informed about the system before he joined the linkshell. If you don't agree with the system and you join the linkshell anyway then quite frankly it's your own damn fault.

Hanyou was told repeatedly that our stance on JoL was that we would accumulate 20 sets in hopes of a future AV nerf, at which point any remaining JoL sets we would pop and attempt to get Earrings and Torques for those members who chose to rank JoL items. Hanyou obviously didn't agree with this stance, but once again, he was aware of this prior to joining.

I assume you meant to say the LB member got Novia/Novio and moved to another linkshell. I'm struggling to think of the member you're referring to because I honestly don't remember someone having done this. By all means, set the record straight if you have information I don't then.

We can play the reputation card here and I bet a lot more would be said about LB's greed than you may wanna know. I mean Auronku used to e-hump one of the ugliest people on the planet for lolsky gear. Once he used that all up he quickly dumped that LS to join Limitbreak himself. That's real loyalty isn't it?

If the people requesting information want to discuss my credibility I'm open to having a discussion with them, but there's no point in this sort of bickering and name-calling here. Does it really need to be made more clear to them that you and I are not exactly the best of friends? Me calling Hanyou greedy is an opinion as far as these people should be concerned. You calling me greedy is an opinion. The bulk of what I've stated is the facts regarding Hanyou's tenure in LB. That's what I came here to discuss.

The fact is, seems it's going to be a negative response from the Leaders of the LS who are all very close to each other. And the sheep of the LS, sorry the non leaders will say good things. Plus you're going to get a very positive response from people that knew him as a good player and a good guy. Drama is everywhere but take caution with which side of it you get.

Linkshells tend to be quite bitter when someone becomes an ex member. Mybeli had talked at one time Hanyou may return to Odin and could be interested in my LS. We checked in with people we trusted in Limitbreak and everything came back positive.

And like everyone else, Tell him Grats on his Mandau.

For the record, Oniken is not a leader, but I guess he's just been "intoxicated by our bullshit" like the rest of the linkshell. I already granted Xajii the fact that not everyone saw Hanyou's actions in the same light. I'm not bitter at Hanyou for leaving. I actually told him it was in his best interest because I told him he'd be better off in a linkshell that was strictly point based where character issues were null and void. I will say this, if the linkshell Hanyou is applying to operates strictly on a point system and there is no form of discretion at the top regarding drops then he may well work out for you guys. I never called the guy an asshole, or questioned whether he was easy to get along with because for the most part he was. I stated that in my opinion and in the opinion of the people who actually ran the shell, Hanyou was too greedy for his own good and we don't want those kind of members.

Well it seems there are 2 sides aswell to this story. The one that see's in Hanyou the greedy member and thief who screwed a LS over. And the other one that see's in Hanyou an awesome and nice guy who got screwed over.

I dont know how LB's bidding system works and its none of my business either. But i do believe Hanyou earned his right to ask for items he worked for and when then Leaders decides to give items to longtime members, who didnt worked for the items which they are getting, then yes i can understand Hanyou's frustration. If i remember right Hanyou was a fulltime member and always active for more than a year in LB.

Regarding the JOL popset which is hold against Hanyou.
The questions behind it is: Who still wants JOL items? -> Members.
And who are first on AV item list and wants AV drops? -> Leaders.
So yeah i can understand why they rather store it for the "possibility of AV fix - no one knows how long that can take" so they can spam AV more, the items they long to have, without having to farm more JOL sets. Now guess who that benefits at all?

I believe the brunt of this is covered above explaining how the sea system does not involve bidding whatsoever and it was actually Hanyou's fault for not having ranked the Novio higher than he did. Covered the part about storing JOL sets for AV. This should have been completely transparent to Hanyou. We have every intention of continuing to farm JoL after having accumulated the sets we would like to store. The JoL mentioned above was actually one we had done after having reached the 20 mark. But telling Hanyou to be patient and allow us to farm another set before popping more was something he obviously did not agree with.

Its your right to tell ppl your opinion about how it is to be a leader of Hanyou and its my right to tell ppl that in my eyes and it seems not only in my eyes, Hanyou is a good guy and if ppl say Han is greedy then ppl should understand all the story behind it.

Have no qualms whatsoever with this statement. I will go so far as to say this, Hanyou in my opinion had earned his Novio prior to leaving the linkshell. He had done enough in my eyes to be worthy of receiving one. But once again I state the problem is that others had done so as well, and they had decided to rank the item higher than Hanyou. I understand frustration over not getting what you want quick enough, but don't blame the people behind the system when it was your choice to rank things as such. Not when you knew of the system before having signed up for it.

[Kumbai]

I love how all Odin BGs turn into some form of drama lol.

[hanyou]

Wow I didnt know so many people thought about me, Im honored to say the least..

Auron!! Hey man havent heard from you in forever? How goes it your way? I see that you're still a web rat that has the time to write books on forums...This must mean you still dont have a job... You gotta get on that man, between you and me, the women dont like broke guys who sit in their mom's basements playing video games... Anyhow, Im doing pretty well and having some fun over here in Ifrit with Red. We both miss you and wonder how ur doing?! Oh man, I heard that nastiest rumor about you the other day.. I heard that you had awarded yourself a Aureole and a Novio to go along with the Nintura's Sash you already had and then on top of it tried to take away some of ur member's AV items and put them on a mule cause they didnt meet the "acquired hours"? I also heard that you started beef with the best tank in ur LS and probably the best one on Odin... God knows you wouldnt do something like this and I encourage ppl to stop starting rumors!!!!!! Alright bro, just wanted to stop in and say hi and thanks for ruining my chance to join a einherjar LS for no reason at all, good times right?

Oh btw, be more careful now and try not to give out ur password again and lose all ur items... It would be a shame to lose all those nice 0s and 1s.


Kumbai hey man, how is it going? Thanks for ur support bro I appreciate it and hope you're kickin ass still.

Xajii! again miss chillin and being roasted on Odin, those were some fun times dude, burn one down !

Zven, whats up hoss? I can only imagine how nasty ur gear has gotten since i left, thanks for the support and tell Orfeo I said hi and to make that fucking xacalibur!

Hex, we dont really know each other that well but thanks for ur support! Gotta love it when ppl talk alot of shit just to try to make things bad for other people right?

Myb! Hola mamita, How are you? Are you still happy in Spain? I need to get on MSN so we can catch up some! I hope you are happy and doing well! Thanks for setting people str8 here! Ur my girl!

Oni well dude i dunno what to say except I just found out how deep the rabbit hole goes in LB... I wish you well too and hope Geddoe is doing well.

[Titanss]

I sense much sarcasm in your post Skywalker ...

[Hex]

I mean you got people in LB who a day after obtaining a Novio/Novia (yes both) magically toss that Linkpearl to join LB. I don't see how that's much different than what you're claiming Hanyou did.

I guess that can be confusing. I'm referring to Spardan getting Novio/Novia from 1000 needles then dropping the pearl almost instantly to join Limitbreak.