Bush/Cheney 2.0 now with more zionism

[guartz]

I've always thought that whatever the difference was between democrats and republicans was always cosmetic and engineered to oppose the other, while simultaneously keeping whatever status quo was present in Washington.

So Obama's campaign of "change" gave me a particularly ironic set of lulz and facepalms, specifically from people who thought that this "change" was in someway beneficial to them.

To those who are unware, the status quo in Washington is to grow. Bigger, badder and all consuming, whittling away whatever control average man and women have over their governance and placing "it" in the control of fewer and fewer men. So whatever "change" Obama was talking about, wasn't to reverse this trend, quite the opposite really, it's to use the deception of democracy and people's will to surrender their options and choice.

Many of you know this, and might feel apathy towards politics because of this deception. Sorry about that. To those who think I'm making it all up, this is where I will explain my reasoning.

Many will agree, that one of the best ways to know how an administration will organize and government, is whom the president elect picks for his office. People that are picked have histories, and those seldom change. Kind of like that quote "Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are"

So let's have a look at Obama's choices, to see how the next four years will shape up.


First and foremost, Joe Biden. Obama's VP pick.

Particularly his history in foreign relations, and what it tells us is that war doesn't particularly bother this man. He was vocal in support of Bosnia and Iraq war, and even suggested of training muslims "insurgents" in Bosnia to oppose Slobodan Milošević. Because you know, that's always a good idea.

That, and he's also a self-proclaimed zionist. And we know those zionists sure are peace loving rational people.

YouTube - Sen. Joe Biden on Shalom TV

And how dare these people even suggest that he wouldn't attack Iran if he wanted to?

Biden camp says report on Iran a lie | Iran news | Jerusalem Post


Next, the Chief of Staff position.

That proudly goes to Rahm Emanuel. Who? You might ask.

Well, Rahm himself is sorta a nobody yet, his father was somewhat famous in the holy lands.

Benjamin Emanuel, was a memeber of Igun. The old school jews who took "Zionism" to extreme by blowing up stuff in the name of God and holy land, and Emanuel senior has big plans for his Son and how he will promote zionist agenda (whatever the fuck that means, but I have a feeling it's not mandatory Mezzuzas in the white house)

Although a raving lunatic dad doesn't speak for his son, I hope. What Rahm himself believes is that what America needs is a mandatory enlistment into military for anyone between 18 and 25, akin to soviet style ak-47 training in 9th grade.

Civil Liberties Examiner: Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

Fuck yeah, sign me up.

Since we are talking about paternal proteges, looks like Mark Brzezinski made the list of foreign affairs staff. Fucking lol. Coupled with Antony Lake, who was personally trained by Kissinger, we have a fucking win combo right here.

We are gonna make countries PAY for the bombs we drop, as they are dropping.

lol


Ok let's see,

Stephen Flynn? Holy fuck. This guy is the physical manifestation of neocon's wet dreams of paranoid psychosis. Think I'm exaggerating? Read this:

Boaters, Lend a Hand in Name of National Security - Council on Foreign Relations

Well, here is the full list

List of Barack Obama presidential campaign staff members, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Make your judgment call on what this "change" is all about.

[Kwijiboe]

Too much info posted, you're just gonna get Guartz'd.

[guartz]

Too much info posted, you're just gonna get Guartz'd.

If Guartz could guartz guartz, how much guartz could guartz guartz?

[Zosi]

I was wondering how long the unusually sane guartz would be able to keep the batshit crazy one quiet after the election. Welcome back, psycho!

[guartz]

Hey, i'm just adding a little win to general. Most of it is made of suck now.

Also... I did not make anything up in that post. Unlike before. I don't need to.

[Correction]

When did 'Zionism' become some negative epithet?

[guartz]

When did 'Zionism' become some negative epithet?

When was it a positive epithet?

Or do you mean "appositive" lol

[Muffins]

When did 'Zionism' become some negative epithet?

When American foreign policy became inextricably bound to Israel's self-interest and detrimental to American interests.

[Correction]

I mean you use it like a cudgel to criticize someone, but by any definition of Zionism I've ever heard, it's nothing to be particularly ashamed of or hide. The way you use it makes it sound like 'pedophile.'

[guartz]

I mean you use it like a cudgel to criticize someone, but by any definition of Zionism I've ever heard, it's nothing to be particularly ashamed of or hide. The way you use it makes it sound like 'pedophile.'

well, to be fair, Correction..

"someone" does not = american politician.

If you know what I mean.

Criticizing a american politician who is not even jewish as a zionist has implications beyond jew hating on my part. So let's get off that dead horse.

[Correction]

So it's a bad thing to not be Jewish but support the continued existence of Israel?

[Kiro]

Nuke the area until it's uninhabitable. Whichever race/religion/whateverthefuck re-establishes a civilization there wins.

The Fucking End.

[guartz]

So it's a bad thing to not be Jewish but support the continued existence of Israel?

define "continued existence of Israel"

[Mizango]

Quick! To the Beckwin mobile...duna duna duna~

[Correction]

define "continued existence of Israel"

"It's okay if Israel continues to exist."

Was there something you saw as subtext to an obvious phrase?

[pohibaba]

"It's okay if Israel continues to exist."

Was there something you saw as subtext to an obvious phrase?

Israel has the right to exist, but we have the right not to put American lives at risk to ensure it, right?

[guartz]

"It's okay if Israel continues to exist."

Was there something you saw as subtext to an obvious phrase?

If that's your sole definition then that's ok then.

I assume you believe that it's ok for non-muslims to support the continued existence of Palestine?

[Elvis]

Zionism is a racist ideology. And tell me how the minority population (who owned the least amount of property) in olde Palestine had the right to 55.5 % of the land (and the best parts - crop-wise and access to water).

And the entire 'right' to exist phrase is unusual in regards to other nations. It only applies to Israel? Sure, Israel has a right to exist. Just not on Palestine. People should accept Israel as it is but don't expect Arabs to ACCEPT it's right to be there.

That's like asking the Native Americans to accept the USA's right to exist. It's laughable.

We can make a distinction between an unavoidable reality and the right of that reality (ie, the justification in context) to exist.

[guartz]

Zionism is a racist ideology.

No wai! Correction only knows of one definition of zionism and only one, the peaceful and noble support of the state of amazing and freedom loving israel, that never did wrong and it's against God to criticize it or anyone who supports it.

anybody who has any other definition is a crazy conspiracy nut.

[Kazen]

After much consideration, I have found my birthday ban. Nothing personal, but this will be the fastest ending Guartz thread ever.