Level correction to WSC

[Rena]

So unless I've made some mistake with maths, level correction penalty seems to start lessening again, values for level 78 are consistent with level correction being at least 0.84, instead of 0.83 like it was at 75.

BLU math ahead:

Naked, no MAB trait, using Firespit. 64-1 INT, 56+5 MND, target is Tiny Mandragora (6 INT), 57 dINT.

57*1.5 = 85 damage from dINT.

base D = 78+2.

WSC, prior to level correction, 0.2*(63+61) = 24.

Multiplier is 3. 24*0.83 = 19 WSC, using 24*0.84 you get 20 WSC.
85+3*(80+20) = 385, which is what I got. Using 0.83, you would expect 382 damage.

Tried with Magic Hammer too; with 63 MND, got 106 damage on Tiny Mandragora (7 MND), 107 on Bumblebees (6 MND), which would be 1 less on both if level correction was still 0.83.

[Jaxon]

It is tuff like this that makes me glad i am not an elitist.

[Norellicus]

It is tuff like this that makes me glad i am not an elitist.

Right, because mathematics = elitism http://images.bluegartr.com/forum/im...ns/mmithra.png

[The Blackrose]

Derp.

FTFY

Now pardon my ignorance, since I don't know much about Blue Mage at all. But isn't Firespit an actual magical spell, not a Magic-based WS? From all the places I went looking at for an answer, there was nothing concrete, just theoretical.

[Jaxon]

Right, because mathematics = elitism http://images.bluegartr.com/forum/im...ns/mmithra.png

No, that's not why I said that at all.

I am glad someone out there cares enough to find all the details of every little thing that could possibly give himself/herself 1 more damage. It's people like him and/or you that help make the game what it is. I wasn't meaning it as a put down or an insult.

tl;dr
I was trying to say, in shorter words, that i would go nuts if i gave a shit about any of that crap. If i sat down and figured out that the damage multiplier for level 1 mobs was .84 and not .83, like it used to be... I fucking shoot myself in the fucking head. Then go outside and play.

BAH

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[Chen]

so you come on an "elitist" board

open a thread which has obviously interested you

not understood it

then shit over the thread?

then posted a retard picture in relation to being corrected about it being maths

cool.

[Rena]

FTFY

Now pardon my ignorance, since I don't know much about Blue Mage at all. But isn't Firespit an actual magical spell, not a Magic-based WS? From all the places I went looking at for an answer, there was nothing concrete, just theoretical.

Technically, yes it's a spell, but BLU nukes are really just magical WS diguised as spells, and use the same calculations as magical WS.

[Nightfyre]

FTFY

Now pardon my ignorance, since I don't know much about Blue Mage at all. But isn't Firespit an actual magical spell, not a Magic-based WS? From all the places I went looking at for an answer, there was nothing concrete, just theoretical.

Yes, but BLU nukes (with some exceptions) are unusual in that they have mods like physical spells and WS in addition to their dSTAT component. However, they don't have a set base damage like BLM nukes. See da wiki.

EDIT: Possible value range for alpha using your results is 0.84-0.88. Alpha previously changed every 2 levels for level 60+ so we could reasonably expect a=0.86 if this was done at 80 and alpha reverses the decreasing trend at 76 (0.84 for 76~77, 0.85 for 78~79, 0.86 80~81), but it would be good to confirm this.

[Jaxon]

so you come on an "elitist" board

open a thread which has obviously interested you

not understood it

then shit over the thread?

then posted a retard picture in relation to being corrected about it being maths

cool.

I didn't know what WSC was...

[Nightfyre]

I didn't know what WSC was...

Abbreviation for secondary mods, just like melee WS mods.

Elitist carries the wrong connotation for what you were trying to say. That said, it's been cleared up, let's move on and get back to the numbers.

[Rena]

I'll get back to testing it once I hit 80, not interested enough in 76-79 values atm to bother. I find the interesting part here though, is that it's rising again after decreasing from 1->75.

[Nightfyre]

I'll get back to testing it once I hit 80, not interested enough in 76-79 values atm to bother. I find the interesting part here though, is that it's rising again after decreasing from 1->75.

Hurrdurr, I even saw you enter 78 for D and didn't think about it. This was done at 76? Very promising indeed.

brb coffee D:

[Rena]

Level 78, used 78+2.

[Nightfyre]

._.;

Did I mention I need coffee?

[Byrthnoth]

So, the significance here is the WS mods will start to matter more as we head to 99. At 75, a stat modifier has to be at least 30% (.25/.83) to be better than just stacking STR until fSTR is capped (disregarding that Strength gives attack as well).

This may change our gearing decisions a little, but mostly it will just make our WSs do a little more damage than you'd expect from the (minor) increase in stats that we get going from 75->80.

[Rena]

Checked studio gobli, and they're saying it changed at 75 too, possibly 0.85 at 75/76.

[Rena]

Confirmed level correction at 80 is 0.85.

[Masamune]

my PLD THF BLU are lvl76, WAR BRD & BLM still 75.

Can one of you guys explain me what to do to get new Alpha for 75 and 76, given my current jobs please ?

P.S.: my RDM is lvl72.

[Rena]

Simplest way is really to use BLU spells. Can use magical WS too, but there's not enough information on most that I could tell you exactly what to do, and you'd need to control TP to make sure you use the same amount every time. Physical WS are even worse, since they requires large samples. I'd really suggest you just sync BLU to 75 to get values for that.

Anyway, what I did for 80 was use bomb toss, base damage caps at 40, primary mod is INT with 1.0 multiplier (first cap at 78 dINT), secondary mod 20% INT, fTP 1.625.

Calculation for this would be (40+WSC)*1.625 + dINT (ignoring MAB, staff and day), then just find values where WSC would differ for 0.84, 0.85 and 0.86 and test those and work backwards through the formula.

Setting up some simple tests for you, find a 6 INT mob (most starter mobs outside cities have this, I believe, I know for certain tiny mandragora and bumblebees do).

Use bomb toss at 64, 65, and 70 INT.

At 64 INT, if damage is 137, level correction is 0.83 (possibly less, but ignoring that for now, don't expect it'll be this low at all.), and if it's 139 it's higher.

At 65 INT, if damage is 140, level correction is 0.84, if it's 141, it's higher.

At 70 INT, if damage is 146, it's 0.85, and if you get 148, it's 0.86 or more.

That should cover all possible expected values, I really don't think it'll be higher or lower, but just in case, post your results.