capitalism = natural selection

[Kuya]

You know capitalism gets a lot of shit from unrealistic hippies about how it's so inmoral but when you think about it, capitalism is about as natural as natural selection. It promotes the success of those who can innovate and change and capitale on oportunities. It raises our greatest individuals to the top.

Take the subprime loans for example: so what if lenders took advantage of the working poor to make money? We blame the lenders, but shouldn't we also blame the poor for being so impatient and unwise? Isn't it natural that those who are smarter suceed over those who are dumb, and that unwise decisions be punished? That's exactly what capitalism does. It works just like nature.

Think about it, sure there are a lot of reasons for people being poor, but there ar also plenty of success stories of people getting out of poverty, so honestly, what's the excuse of everyone else? It's because those success stories prove that those people were smarter and thus they succeed. So why whine about capitalism when the same thing happens in nature (and don't hippies love nature)? In nature, the strongest predators prey on the weak, and the same thing happens in capitalism. So why fight reality and human nature?

[Conrad]

Where did you copy this from, Kuya?

[Kuya]

You say that as if that weren't my real opinion, skirk.

[Conrad]

lol

[Tajin]

Terribad copypasta

[Lucavi]

You know capitalism gets a lot of shit from unrealistic hippies about how it's so inmoral but when you think about it, capitalism is about as natural as natural selection. It promotes the success of those who can innovate and change and capitale on oportunities. It raises our greatest individuals to the top.

Take the subprime loans for example: so what if lenders took advantage of the working poor to make money? We blame the lenders, but shouldn't we also blame the poor for being so impatient and unwise? Isn't it natural that those who are smarter suceed over those who are dumb, and that unwise decisions be punished? That's exactly what capitalism does. It works just like nature.

Think about it, sure there are a lot of reasons for people being poor, but there ar also plenty of success stories of people getting out of poverty, so honestly, what's the excuse of everyone else? It's because those success stories prove that those people were smarter and thus they succeed. So why whine about capitalism when the same thing happens in nature (and don't hippies love nature)? In nature, the strongest predators prey on the weak, and the same thing happens in capitalism. So why fight reality and human nature?

Question: in your view of natural selection, is there such a thing as cheating? If someone cheats to get ahead - screws another out of their rightful place, is that listed as fair in capitalism, if you're grouping capitalism and natural selection in the same lump?

[Kuya]

Nowhere. He spelled "immoral" wrong, which proves that it was written by a beautiful though illiterate brown person.

Even the beautiful people can make mistakes, kohan.

Question: in your view of natural selection, is there such a thing as cheating? If someone cheats to get ahead - screws another out of their rightful place, is that listed as fair in capitalism, if you're grouping capitalism and natural selection in the same lump?

There is only one point in capitalism: to get ahead of everyone else, thus, there is no cheating.

[Shiroikage]

Question: in your view of natural selection, is there such a thing as cheating? If someone cheats to get ahead - screws another out of their rightful place, is that listed as fair in capitalism, if you're grouping capitalism and natural selection in the same lump?

NATURE IS FUCKING SCARY

[Kuya]

Terribad copypasta

Did you buy those sour grapes at a farmer's market?

[Kuya]

Since people in BG like to comment at how stupid people deserve punishment/how humans are so stupid/natural selection at work, i think i might post this in general since i think most would agree with it.

[Shiroikage]

Since people in BG like to comment at how stupid people deserve punishment/how humans are so stupid/natural selection at work, i think i might post this in general since i think most would agree with it.

They very well might.

[Lucavi]

If you think there's no cheating, then yeah, capitalism is similar, though not 100% identical. It's morally similar in its amorality, but the rules of both games are still different.

Its a lot harder for a mouse to "cheat" his way into killing the cat, his natural predator, but its easier for a poor man to book and cheat the system into becoming rich and turning a profit.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Even the beautiful people can make mistakes, kohan.



There is only one point in capitalism: to get ahead of everyone else, thus, there is no cheating.

capitalism is a system, natural selection is a destroyer of systems. capitalism only exists because of a set of regulated standards and rules the herd obeys by.

if capitalism was really like natural selection I would be able to use whatever means necessary to get ahead without limitations. that said, this country is not capitalist by any means, and the subprime mortgages was such an awfully ignorant example I lol'd pretty hard

inb4 trolled backpedaling etc

[Kuya]

If you think there's no cheating, then yeah, capitalism is similar, though not 100% identical. It's morally similar in its amorality, but the rules of both games are still different.

Its a lot harder for a mouse to "cheat" his way into killing the cat, his natural predator, but its easier for a poor man to book and cheat the system into becoming rich and turning a profit.

The system you're talking about is not capitalism, capitalism is him booking and cheating thus proving he is smarter and more resilient. A mouse finding a way to kill a cat is no more cheating than the latter example.

[Kuya]

capitalism is a system, natural selection is a destroyer of systems. capitalism only exists because of a set of regulated standards and rules the herd obeys by.

if capitalism was really like natural selection I would be able to use whatever means necessary to get ahead without limitations. that said, this country is not capitalist by any means, and the subprime mortgages was such an awfully ignorant example I lol'd pretty hard

inb4 trolled backpedaling etc

There are no standards and rules in capitalism.

You can use whatever means necessary to get ahead as long as you don't get caught. Rules and standards are human imposed impediments to success, much like human produced pollution is an impediment to survival.

The only thing that matters in capitalism is success.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

There are no standards and rules in capitalism.

You can use whatever means necessary to get ahead as long as you don't get caught. Rules and standards are human imposed impediments to success, much like human produced pollution is an impediment to survival.

The only thing that matters in capitalism is success.

right, and using subprime mortgages as an example of capitalism was a very slob attempt to prove a point as that crisis never would have happened if we were operating under a capitalist system

[Kuya]

right, and using subprime mortgages as an example of capitalism was a very slob attempt to prove a point as that crisis never would have happened if we were operating under a capitalist system

You don't seem to understand. Capitalism always exists, whether there are human imposed rules and regulations or not. It doesn't matter what you call it, what matters is that you succeed.

Even in a communist State capitalism exists, it just requires that you're smart enough to get your way.

Capitalism will always exist because it is part of human nature to take and take. Amassing wealth is the game, and you can do this in any society. Doesn't matter whether you do it by force or by cohersion, the only difference is that in the former, the weak will call you a tyrant, and in the latter the weak will call you a businessman.

That's what capitalism means. To capitalize, to accumulate. Driven by desire. What human history has proven is that taking wealth from others through force is less efficient than the means we use today. Indeed, capitalism, the search for the most efficient way to accumulate, has lead to the world we see today. Where cohersion, not force, is the best means to accumulate.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

no I understand clearly, you're trying to use the word capitalism in place of natural selection. natural selection will always exist, because the more clever / stronger / faster etc will find a way to succeed.

capitalism is just a system designed by man to regulate trade. what you're trying to do is design a context and label, you have fun with that brosef but you're not convincing anyone to come to the land of make-believe with you

[TheShadyMan]

You know capitalism gets a lot of shit from unrealistic hippies about how it's so inmoral but when you think about it, capitalism is about as natural as natural selection. It promotes the success of those who can innovate and change and capitale on oportunities. It raises our greatest individuals to the top.

Take the subprime loans for example: so what if lenders took advantage of the working poor to make money? We blame the lenders, but shouldn't we also blame the poor for being so impatient and unwise? Isn't it natural that those who are smarter suceed over those who are dumb, and that unwise decisions be punished? That's exactly what capitalism does. It works just like nature.

Think about it, sure there are a lot of reasons for people being poor, but there ar also plenty of success stories of people getting out of poverty, so honestly, what's the excuse of everyone else? It's because those success stories prove that those people were smarter and thus they succeed. So why whine about capitalism when the same thing happens in nature (and don't hippies love nature)? In nature, the strongest predators prey on the weak, and the same thing happens in capitalism. So why fight reality and human nature?

Let's start with people being poor and 'success stories' of people getting out of poverty. Not intending to put words in your mouth on this one, but these sort of stories are usually referred to 'as beating the odds', yes? Beating the odds does not mean that there are no odds; odds, by definition mean that only a certain percentage results in one outcome, and the rest do not. Just because a few can pull themselves up by their bootstraps does not mean that the rest can’t, or are too lazy, they just lost the probability game. I mean, you don't get to choose your parents (i.e. genetic material), so you have no power over what your natural talent for intelligence is (I won't even get into trying to define 'intelligence' because that'd be opening a whole other can of goddamn worms), so there's an address for the Nature theorists. You also don't get to choose where you were born, or the home you're raised in. So your cultural view points, and to an extent, your morals and values are out of your hands too (I am fully aware that once people 'get out into the world' many can readily change their beliefs, but that's only if the tinted glasses you're looking at the world through allows you to do so. If you're raised in hardcore racist environments, it'll get plugged in so goddamn deep in your head you'll refuse to believe anything else. See also; religion) so hidey-ho, there's nurture addressed. So when it comes down to it, saying x is like nature is basically saying the dice got rolled, and you had no power over what the outcome was, but goddamn, you've got to play with what you're dealt. I think you'd readily agree with that, and if not, we can debate the point in further posts.

Now, it is my belief (this, again, is totally up for debate) that the difference between man and animal is the ability to manipulate nature. And I don't goddamn mean being able to make tools out of a goddamn stick and a rock, I know monkeys and birds do it, but let's be fair, that's adapting to an environment, not changing it. Humans create their own ecosystems and habitats, look at any fucking urban center in the world. It's one thing for some ants to dig a colony in the ground; it's completely different for humans to take metals from the ground, purify them, and then mold and shape them into gigantic urban sprawls. It almost seems to me that the point of being human is fighting nature. It's cold outside, you don't like that. What does an animal do? It finds a hole and cuddles up in it. What does a human do? It will procure what it needs from its environment (be it clothing, or burning fuel, or building material for an insulated building) and go on with what they were doing. Day after day, humans are finding more and more ways nature works and using them for their own ends. They aren't adapting to their environment, they're learning all of the rules of the environment, and putting them to use to create their own environment that better suits their wants and needs. It's one thing to say 'I'm hungry' and go and kill something and eat it. It's another thing to say 'I'm hungry' and setting up a system of husbandry, where you raise animals, slaughter and eat them. That's not adaptation, that's change.

So with this point made, I have to ask; why shouldn't we be fighting 'human nature' (whatever the hell that's suppose to mean)? The ability to rationalize and abstractly contemplate ideas like this is exactly what being human is. It just bewilders me when people compare capitalism to nature and say that we shouldn't fight it, because that's how things are supposed to be (supposed to be? What the fuck? That's almost admitting an intelligent design theory and just... lol). They say we shouldn't fight nature, but that's exactly what we've been doing every step of the way since fire and the wheel. If you didn't want to 'fight nature' you'd still be out in the goddamn woods throwing rocks at birds.

[Yabby]

Not the same in a few ways. If it was the same i would go kill bill gates because he is weak. And as you stated above there is not cheating so we should be able to do that.


Edit: Also if capitalism was so close to nature selection.... How come america is becoming more fat and dumb every year.