DECIDE THE FATE OF SENOSKA

[Sonomaa]

BG, we ask you humbly, do you want threads like this in the buy/sell/trade forum.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105...itter-Facebook

I personally was skeptical about it, as were other people who approached me, saying they didnt want it on the forums, since buy sell trade was conceived to sell your old games and other cool shit you had, not stuff like this but Senoska insists its legit even though it looks like spam I get all the time.

[Vandole]

it's legit however it's a moral grey area. he sells spam.

[Senoska]

I think this thread is largely unneeded Sonomaa, in the description of the board it says this:

Buy, sell, and trade your extra gaming related items and other items.

Further more, there is absolutely no spam involved. The method I use is a website that trades likes for likes, views for views, and followers for followers. It is a single post on a single website dedicated to getting views, likes, and followers. This does not violate any terms of service for any of the websites, including this one. I am offering a real service that boosts the views because I have worked my ass off following, rating, and liking pages that were looking for likes. You're talking about something you personally have no idea about, and if you would ask Ragns or do a simple google, you would realize that this isn't spam.

Google has released an ebook on using these methods to make money. There are ethics statements on any of the sites that I use, which I have AIM'd you to research, but you obviously haven't even clicked on the link. You can call it spam all you want, but that doesn't make it spam. You said "Its like spam, but without bots." because its not spam, and doesn't use bots. SEO and internet marketing is a billion dollar industry. I have worked with Verizon and Sprint telecom, as well as several software companies in Michigan. This is how money is made online. I am doing nothing different than Google ads in promoting a website. If you're going to try to sit here and tell me posting a link to a page is spammy, or some how against any rules, you deserve to be called out on it. You're selectively policing a thread that not even the webpages police. Who are you enforcing these nonexistent rules for? If people don't want to use the service, it will die.

As I mentioned in my PM to you, I am a registered LLC in the state of Delware, and I have been doing this for years. I make my living off of promoting websites through legitimate white hat means. So what's the problem? Do you not like me running a service on your board? If thats the case, explicitly write this into your rules. As far as I see it, you have no idea what it is I do, and simply jumped to some erroneous conclusion based on nothing without even asking me or looking at anything I've sent you.

[Eanae]

Yeah.... no.

[kyod]

Eh, I'm on the fence about it. On one hand, Sensoka is selling nonsense. On the other hand, if you buy into it (and are going to BG to try and find ways to promote your business lol), you totally deserve to get your money taken. But hey, I vote no. (And lol to your blog post about posting links on popular fan pages since someone is bound to click it, hence spam)

And to Sensoka (since Sonomaa closed the thread right as I was hitting reply!):

Spoiler: show

You don't get it. If you're guaranteeing someone 1000 fans or 1000 followers, it's meaningless unless those followers are relevant. If my business sells booth materials for trade shows, I want those 1000 fans/followers to be people who are involved with trade shows. Are those 1000 fans/followers you get me going to be relevant to my business? If I have a Youtube video of best practices for your booth, are those commenters going to be those who are exhibitors at trade shows? 1000 Justin Beiber fans viewing or commenting on my video means jack shit to my business.

A potential sale? Again, if these followers aren't relevant to your business, how can you sell to them? If your business is a vegan restaurant in Terre Haute, IN, you want fans/followers who reside in that area and actually have an interest in that subject for them to be of value.

Fan/followers/view/comments are just a tiny portion of a social media/seo plan for a business. It needs to be part of a greater online marketing strategy.

All your services guarantee (according to your post) are real people. Not relevant people, just that the people are real. Any marketer or business owner is well-informed would not be pursuing this as a sound investment.

But like I said, if you find takers, more power to you. A sucker is born every minute. I would imagine most of your clients are unsuccessful businesses trying to gain traction or people who don't understand social media.

[Killgannon]

Banned for life please, this is the second time. First time was lying about what it could offer for webhosting, now it wants you to pay it to spam for you. Please get the fuck out and hop off a tall building.

Also it's trying to reason like a scammer: "You didn't say it was wrong specifically so it must be completely ok." When if it had any morals at all it would realize that spam is wrong period. No one wants to see you spam shit, no one gives a fuck about your scam site either. Sonomaa also didn't say selling drugs or sex on BST is wrong, but you can bet your ass that if someone posted selling either they'd get banned. This is the EXACT same thing, spam is illegal, selling sex is illegal, as is selling drugs.

[Ragns]

I think this thread is largely unneeded Sonomaa, in the description of the board it says this:
Further more, there is absolutely no spam involved. The method I use is a website that trades likes for likes, views for views, and followers for followers. It is a single post on a single website dedicated to getting views, likes, and followers. This does not violate any terms of service for any of the websites, including this one. I am offering a real service that boosts the views because I have worked my ass off following, rating, and liking pages that were looking for likes. You're talking about something you personally have no idea about, and if you would ask Ragns or do a simple google, you would realize that this isn't spam.

Google has released an ebook on using these methods to make money. There are ethics statements on any of the sites that I use, which I have AIM'd you to research, but you obviously haven't even clicked on the link. You can call it spam all you want, but that doesn't make it spam. You said "Its like spam, but without bots." because its not spam, and doesn't use bots. SEO and internet marketing is a billion dollar industry. I have worked with Verizon and Sprint telecom, as well as several software companies in Michigan. This is how money is made online. I am doing nothing different than Google ads in promoting a website. If you're going to try to sit here and tell me posting a link to a page is spammy, or some how against any rules, you deserve to be called out on it. You're selectively policing a thread that not even the webpages police. Who are you enforcing these nonexistent rules for? If people don't want to use the service, it will die.

As I mentioned in my PM to you, I am a registered LLC in the state of Delware, and I have been doing this for years. I make my living off of promoting websites through legitimate white hat means. So what's the problem? Do you not like me running a service on your board? If thats the case, explicitly write this into your rules. As far as I see it, you have no idea what it is I do, and simply jumped to some erroneous conclusion based on nothing without even asking me or looking at anything I've sent you.

[Raz]

So.... did he forget to vote yes?

[Cantih]

Naw, he's gonna drop 5 bux out of pocket to get 250 votes in his favor.

[Senoska]

Eh, I'm on the fence about it. On one hand, Sensoka is selling nonsense. On the other hand, if you buy into it (and are going to BG to try and find ways to promote your business lol), you totally deserve to get your money taken. But hey, I vote no. (And lol to your blog post about posting links on popular fan pages since someone is bound to click it, hence spam)

And to Sensoka (since Sonomaa closed the thread right as I was hitting reply!):

Spoiler: show

You don't get it. If you're guaranteeing someone 1000 fans or 1000 followers, it's meaningless unless those followers are relevant. If my business sells booth materials for trade shows, I want those 1000 fans/followers to be people who are involved with trade shows. Are those 1000 fans/followers you get me going to be relevant to my business? If I have a Youtube video of best practices for your booth, are those commenters going to be those who are exhibitors at trade shows? 1000 Justin Beiber fans viewing or commenting on my video means jack shit to my business.

A potential sale? Again, if these followers aren't relevant to your business, how can you sell to them? If your business is a vegan restaurant in Terre Haute, IN, you want fans/followers who reside in that area and actually have an interest in that subject for them to be of value.

Fan/followers/view/comments are just a tiny portion of a social media/seo plan for a business. It needs to be part of a greater online marketing strategy.

All your services guarantee (according to your post) are real people. Not relevant people, just that the people are real. Any marketer or business owner is well-informed would not be pursuing this as a sound investment.

But like I said, if you find takers, more power to you. A sucker is born every minute. I would imagine most of your clients are unsuccessful businesses trying to gain traction or people who don't understand social media.

The websites I use (typically) exchange a 1:1 view, friend, or like. For every person I follow on facebook, I get one credit. I follow a bunch of SEO related pages, and figured I could simple sign up for this site and get some credit for something I had planned to do anyhow, it is based on keywords. If you are in the field of vegan restaurants, you tag your video as such and people that are searching for groups/videos/twitter accounts will follow your pages, of course, in exchange for a credit. This is a way of finding sites you like as well as promoting a page. The service I am offering is spending the credits I had gotten liking pages I planned to like on the page you want promoted. They are real people who are looking for the specific thing that you listed. They are not bieber fans. This is targeted marketing. I offered in my thread a money back guarantee no questions asked. I'm not spamming anyone. This is how websites work. Do you not understand that it might be beneficial to a website to target its traffic to a specific niche of people? Its not a scam, its not spam, it just putting your page in front of people who are interested in what it is your site is about.

Also,

(7:56:29 PM) Sonomaa (BG): you are right, it isnt technically against tos, but it looks just like a lot of actual spammers we get
(7:56:34 PM) Sonomaa (BG): so Ill ask them if they want it
(7:56:37 PM) Senoska1: I dont spam anyone
(7:56:42 PM) Sonomaa (BG): I didnt say from you

I think this is a bit unfair. At the end of the day, BG can decide what is on their board and what isn't. Leaving it up to the board to decide is going to invoke people who don't like me to vote against me and isn't a true vote about the service. It was already in the hands of the people on the board. If they didn't like the service, the thread would die. If you really want proof of this service, I will offer 3 free examples to anyone that wants it and they can tell you it isn't spam, it is real, and it isn't a scam. I'm just trying to make a living, like anyone else, and this is what my business is. I've been a member on these boards for 6 years. I don't see why I shouldn't be able to offer something I do for work on a board dedicated to buying and selling when the service I am offering is real, and breaks absolutely 0 rules.

So.... did he forget to vote yes?

I'm not going to vote in this because I think its a farce.

[Rhinox]

I'm confused are we voting to Ban him from all of BG or just the buy sell trade section?

[Raz]

Naw, he's gonna drop 5 bux out of pocket to get 250 votes in his favor.

Thread is now complete.

[kyod]

If you are in the field of vegan restaurants, you tag your video as such and people that are searching for groups/videos/twitter accounts will follow your pages, of course, in exchange for a credit.

So the audience is only people participating and looking for credits? It's a pretty captive audience then. And the conversion rate of those liking pages and looking for credits to an actual sale is virtually nonexistent. All your doing is selling people a # in the hopes it gives them 'online street cred.'

Again, if I'm a vegan restaurant in Terre Haute, IN, you're going to tell me you can get me 1000 followers in Terre Haute who like vegan food? Or if I make booth materials for trade shows, you're telling me that the 1000 followers I get are those events managers at companies who attend trade shows as exhibitors? If you can, then that is definitely targeted marketing, since those followers actually have value and can lead to sales. If not, your service has no value.

A sucker is born every minute.

Edit: I have nothing against you personally Sensoka, I just think the service your selling borders on taking advantage of people. And lol at the vote totals now.

[Senoska]

So the audience is only people participating and looking for credits? It's a pretty captive audience then. And the conversion rate of those liking pages and looking for credits to an actual sale is virtually nonexistent. All your doing is selling people a # in the hopes it gives them 'online street cred.'

Again, if I'm a vegan restaurant in Terre Haute, IN, you're going to tell me you can get me 1000 followers in Terre Haute who like vegan food? Or if I make booth materials for trade shows, you're telling me that the 1000 followers I get are those events managers at companies who attend trade shows as exhibitors? If you can, then that is definitely targeted marketing, since those followers actually have value and can lead to sales. If not, your service has no value.

A sucker is born every minute.

Edit: I have nothing against you personally Sensoka, I just think the service your selling borders on taking advantage of people. And lol at the vote totals now.

These sites are used by tons of people. The website specifically that I'm offering this on has several million registered users and is used as a social media search engine with the option of gaining credits. It is for people looking for something specific. While I cannot gaurentee the target down to the city, I have the ability to target by country, age, subscription length, account activity, keywords, etc. So while I may not be able to get you 1,000 people in Terre Haute, IN, I can get you 1,000 people that are looking for, say, vegan recipes from your website which you can sell adspace on. This is the way even BG is making their money with the blogs. The reason blogs have been added is because its a way that the community can tag things and promote this website so that they can make money on ad revenue. I'm not doing anything other than the site we're posting on. This is bordering on the level of hypocrisy, and Ragns, I'm a little disappointed because I know exactly what it is you're doing with blogs and bg bucket, but I guess its not worth protecting someone in the same industry as you if you can take a shot at me. If you're into booth materials, while that is a little specific and may take some time to process, eventually, yes I can get you 1,000 people interested in that. I seriously do not get the issue with this at all.

[Senji]

Businesses advertising should be making server donations.

[Alleya]

Businesses advertising should be making server donations.

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[Senoska]

Businesses advertising should be making server donations.

I do donate to BG when they're running donations. If you want me to pay to run a service here, I'd be glad to do that. I pay on several websites and would be happy to support BG if it brings me business as well. I have no problem doing that.

[Vandole]

You told me you won't be donating to BG. You specifically said you don't donate to BG because a certain mod hates you.

[Senoska]

I will show you my paypal logs if I have to Vandole. You're correct in saying I did not donate in this last donation, but every other one that has been run I have donated to. I told you I was going to stop donating because of this very reason. BG is enforcing special rules against people. BG use to be a place where this would not have been an issue, but it seems the moderators here have let the fact this site has gotten a little popular go to their head and have started censoring its users regularly despite those people breaking no rules. I have not broken BG rules, facebook rules, twitter rules, nor youtube rules, yet this is such an issue that we have to lock threads and make a little farcical pole about if it should stay. You and I literally just went through this. Earlier today, two users in general were banned for the exact same reason and the ban had to be lifted. I don't mind paying to post in a buy - sell section because in fact, that is typically the standard. I pay on several promotion websites and wouldnt mind paying here since I'm getting something in return.

[kyod]

These sites are used by tons of people. The website specifically that I'm offering this on has several million registered users and is used as a social media search engine with the option of gaining credits. It is for people looking for something specific. While I cannot gaurentee the target down to the city, I have the ability to target by country, age, subscription length, account activity, keywords, etc. So while I may not be able to get you 1,000 people in Terre Haute, IN, I can get you 1,000 people that are looking for, say, vegan recipes from your website which you can sell adspace on. This is the way even BG is making their money with the blogs. The reason blogs have been added is because its a way that the community can tag things and promote this website so that they can make money on ad revenue. I'm not doing anything other than the site we're posting on. This is bordering on the level of hypocrisy, and Ragns, I'm a little disappointed because I know exactly what it is you're doing with blogs and bg bucket, but I guess its not worth protecting someone in the same industry as you if you can take a shot at me. If you're into booth materials, while that is a little specific and may take some time to process, eventually, yes I can get you 1,000 people interested in that. I seriously do not get the issue with this at all.

A restaurant with 1000 followers located outside the city of the restaurant means absolutely nothing. You aren't driving businesses and you just spent several bucks on nothing.

The people looking for these things are trying to get credits, that's their primary purpose. It's laughable to say this will help businesses. Like I said, all this does is gives someone's business "online street cred" (lol) by claiming to have 1000 followers. And if you think social media strategy is all about # of likes/followers, you don't understand social media. The best this will do for your business is perhaps prop you up in search rankings. That's it. It's disingenuous and misleading to say anything else about it.

This is just blackhat SEO trying to be whitehat (it's real people!!!111) after Google nerfed spammy blogs.