Muslims, mad again

[Kuya]

Protesters angered by an anti-Islam film have stormed the US embassy compound in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, as similar demonstrations have spread to several countries across the Middle East.

In the Iranian capital, Tehran, up to 500 people protested over the issue chanting "Death to America!" and death to the movie's director, an AFP photographer at the scene said.

The rally, near the Swiss embassy that handles US interests in the absence of US-Iran diplomatic ties, ended peacefully two hours later.

Meanwhile, Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has condemned the film that has sparked an outcry in his country.

"We Egyptians reject any kind of assault or insult against our prophet. I condemn and oppose all who... insult our prophet," Morsi, on an official visit to Brussels, said in remarks broadcast by Egyptian state television.

"[But] it is our duty to protect our guests and visitors from abroad... I call on everyone to take that into consideration, to not violate Egyptian law... to not assault embassies," he added.

Egyptians have clashed with police outside US embassy in the capital, Cairo, for the third day.

About 30 people have been injured, including more than 10 riot police in the overnight clashes, as the fallout from a film ridiculing Islam's prophet continued to rage on Thursday.

American flags were also burned in Tunisia, outside the US embassy in the capital, Tunis.

Police fired tear gas at demonstrators who shouted their opposition to the film, and chanted slogans against the US.

A small crowd also burned an American flag in Gaza City where Hamas, the elected government there, has condemned the film.

Innocence of Muslims, the film that mocked Muhammad, was allegedly produced in the US by a filmmaker with ties to Coptic Christian groups, and excerpted on YouTube with dubbing in Arabic.

Meanwhile, YouTube, the video website owned by Google Inc, has said it will not remove the film clip, but it has blocked access to it in those countries.

Nine Coptic Egyptian-Americans were also put on an airport watch list. They are believed to have contributed to the production of the anti-Islam film that led to the embassy protest.

The man behind the protests told Al Jazeera he just wanted to combat insults against Islam through legal and peaceful means. Wesam Abdel Wareth, the protest organiser, said his group was not happy that young people who joined their protest brought down the US flag.

Whatever the cause, the events appeared to underscore how much the ground in the Middle East has shifted for Washington, which for decades had close ties with Arab dictators who could be counted on to crush dissent.

Obama's administration in recent weeks had appeared to overcome some of its initial caution after the election of an Islamist Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, offering his government desperately needed debt relief and backing for international loans.

Egypt is neither an ally nor an enemy of the United States, Obama said on Wednesday.

"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," Obama said in excerpts of an interview with Telemundo aired by MSNBC.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middl...543708779.html

The fact that coptic christian groups are suspected of being behind the movie, might explain why egyptians seem to be the most pissed off about it.

[Dantrag]

Fuck Muslims(not all) and their "peaceful" religion. Such bull shit.

[ringthree]

Fuck Muslims(not all) and their "peaceful" religion. Such bull shit.

I wish I could disagree with you. Before these events, I might have tried. I just can't anymore.

[Esvedium]

Fuck religion. Such bull shit.

ftfy

[Alvinho]

Regardless of who's in it, the motives for a film-maker to actually produce this, or freedom of speech, the movie itself (haven't seen it yet, but from online descriptions of it, it seems like just hatred and mockery of Muslims) doesn't really seem to have any "positivity" in it. You have some guy in the "safety" of US soil, and an Israeli at that, who has been quoted describing Muslims in general as a "cancer", making a movie that's going to spark some insurgency or whatnot, really far away where it won't really matter to him, all while hiding behind freedom of speech. All freedoms come with responsibilities, which is pretty much why you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater (overused example, yeah) for shits and giggles.

I don't know man, seems like a bunch of bullshit. This motherfucker should be held responsible for at least inciting shit that got innocent US citizens killed, and will possibly, if not likely, yield an even bigger shitstorm in the next few days/weeks/months while the whole thing unfolds.

[Dantrag]

Regardless of who's in it, the motives for a film-maker to actually produce this, or freedom of speech, the movie itself (haven't seen it yet, but from online descriptions of it, it seems like just hatred and mockery of Muslims) doesn't really seem to have any "positivity" in it. You have some guy in the "safety" of US soil, and an Israeli at that, who has been quoted describing Muslims in general as a "cancer", making a movie that's going to spark some insurgency or whatnot, really far away where it won't really matter to him, all while hiding behind freedom of speech. All freedoms come with responsibilities, which is pretty much why you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater (overused example, yeah) for shits and giggles.

I don't know man, seems like a bunch of bullshit. This motherfucker should be held responsible for at least inciting shit that got innocent US citizens killed, and will possibly, if not likely, yield an even bigger shitstorm in the next few days/weeks/months while the whole thing unfolds.

The fact that something like a "movie" or "comic" insights violence in 10s of thousands of Muslims almost every time should be enough to blame those people and not the comic write or movie maker. No different than regimes that imprison/kill people for "talking bad" about their regime.

[arus2001]

Can the aliens invade now so humanity can stop squabbling over stupid shit and unite for a common good?

Then again, I'm sure some twisted bunch would claim it's all god's divine wrath and band together in their own way to sabotage the defenses of us sinners.

[Plow]

Guess I'll repost this here:

not actually the full thing, but you get the idea

Regardless of who's in it, the motives for a film-maker to actually produce this, or freedom of speech, the movie itself (haven't seen it yet, but from online descriptions of it, it seems like just hatred and mockery of Muslims) doesn't really seem to have any "positivity" in it. You have some guy in the "safety" of US soil, and an Israeli at that, who has been quoted describing Muslims in general as a "cancer", making a movie that's going to spark some insurgency or whatnot, really far away where it won't really matter to him, all while hiding behind freedom of speech. All freedoms come with responsibilities, which is pretty much why you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater (overused example, yeah) for shits and giggles.

I don't know man, seems like a bunch of bullshit. This motherfucker should be held responsible for at least inciting shit that got innocent US citizens killed, and will possibly, if not likely, yield an even bigger shitstorm in the next few days/weeks/months while the whole thing unfolds.

Is this a joke? You're honestly saying someone should be "held responsible" for making a shitty joke of a movie insulting people he's been fighting for thousands of years, because the targets are *SO OFFENDED BY A SHITTY JOKE OF A MOVIE THAT THEY TRY TO KILL PEOPLE*.

Seriously?



Also, wtf @ "Coptic Christian groups" being responsible for the movie?

It's a Jewish guy that really hates Islam. It's that simple.

[kuronosan]

Both parties are to blame. If you know doing something like this is going to piss people off and cause them to potentially hurt other people it's your responsibility to properly exercise your freedom.

I'm so sick of people saying that freedom of speech should be complete and total freedom to say what you want.

There's quite the difference between "our government sucks and needs to change" and "all of this religion's beliefs are based on a gay pedophile's assholery". If the shoe was on the other foot and someone in Iran made a movie where Jesus was a buttfucking child masturbator, everyone here in the states would be wanting to declare war on Islam almost immediately.

With freedoms come the responsibility to properly exercise them.

[Uzor]

Guess I'll repost this here:






Is this a joke? You're honestly saying someone should be "held responsible" for making a shitty joke of a movie insulting people he's been fighting for thousands of years, because the targets are *SO OFFENDED BY A SHITTY JOKE OF A MOVIE THAT THEY TRY TO KILL PEOPLE*.

Seriously?



Also, wtf @ "Coptic Christian groups" being responsible for the movie?

It's a Jewish guy that really hates Islam. It's that simple.

Only, the creator of the movie doesn't exist. He claims to be from Israel, but Israel has no record of a person with that name. Sure, he might be an Israeli, but then he's using a pseudonym knowing what the movie would cause. That's rather lame, imo.

Either way; he lied to the actors what the storyline was. Originally he claimed that it was about a famous Arabic war, where the main character was a nomad in the desert or something like that, but over the course of the movie he presented new story and lines for the characters.

The fact that he's using a pseudonym to remain "anonymous" whereas the actors take the heat for the movie is cowardly.

I've no reason with the movie being made. I think you should be able to make a movie portraying a homosexual Mohammed if you want to. My issue is that he seem to be doing it purely to poke the sleeping bear. A lot of sources slaim that Sam Bacile isn't even an Israel citizen - nor is he jewish. The movie is also almost entirely funded by anti-muslim groups. Hell, Terry Jones was contacted by the maker of the movie for distribution.

[Kuya]

Also, wtf @ "Coptic Christian groups" being responsible for the movie?

It's a Jewish guy that really hates Islam. It's that simple.

A coptic christian group is suspected of having helped create the film, probably through funding. Considering Egypt's history with coptic christians, that might help explain why Egypt's protests seem more wrathful.

[Alvinho]

The fact that something like a "movie" or "comic" insights violence in 10s of thousands of Muslims almost every time should be enough to blame those people and not the comic write or movie maker. No different than regimes that imprison/kill people for "talking bad" about their regime.

The main issue here is that according to Muslim doctrine, (I think) it is forbidden to make illustrations or images of their prophet. This is a widely known fact, and people who won't be the least bit affected by it, are always trying to blatantly disrespect the beliefs of this particular group of people; all of course, from the safety of their own homes where they won't suffer any of the repercussions caused by their actions. This is irresponsible, to say the very least, and is bound to become some Kurt Westergaard v.2.0 type shit.

I don't see Muslims oppressing non-Muslims as some sort of regime would, so that comparison makes no sense. Sure, they have extremists that go apeshit over matters often considered trivial by most of western civilization, but those are different things.

I'm not saying these acts of violence are in any way justifiable, but goddamit, why keep poking them? I hope this "movie producer" feels good about himself knowing that his practical joke has gotten some people killed, and maybe more to follow suit. All of course, from the comfort of his SoCal home (I believe that's where he lives, but I may be wrong on this).

[Byrthnoth]

If the shoe was on the other foot and someone in Iran made a movie where Jesus was a buttfucking child masturbator, everyone here in the states would be wanting to declare war on Islam almost immediately.

I don't think this is true, but if they ever get enough money to buy videocameras I guess we'll find out.

[Alvinho]

Guess I'll repost this here:






Is this a joke? You're honestly saying someone should be "held responsible" for making a shitty joke of a movie insulting people he's been fighting for thousands of years, because the targets are *SO OFFENDED BY A SHITTY JOKE OF A MOVIE THAT THEY TRY TO KILL PEOPLE*.

Seriously?



Also, wtf @ "Coptic Christian groups" being responsible for the movie?

It's a Jewish guy that really hates Islam. It's that simple.

I'm saying people should be held accountable for their actions, yes. The "joke" is only funny if both parties are laughing. It's one thing to be telling a joke, and another to be the butt of said joke, which one rarely likes.

[Uzor]

If the shoe was on the other foot and someone in Iran made a movie where Jesus was a buttfucking child masturbator, everyone here in the states would be wanting to declare war on Islam almost immediately.

I've always wanted to write an erotic novel about Jesus having intimate sex with Judas, and Judas getting obsessed over him. And when he finds out that Jesus cheated on him with a prostitute and the other disciples, he goes insane and rats him out.

Sadly, I don't think anyone would get the joke.

[Kuya]

I can't help but feel that the people who made this movie, completely intended all of this to go down, and it's exactly what they wanted.

Claim muslims are savages and out to destroy christians > make movie to flip out muslims > point at muslim reaction as evidence for your argument

[Kuya]

What's most sinister is that the people who made this movie are probably religious themselves, but they rely on muslim fanaticism to get secular people on their side.

[Dantrag]

Both parties are to blame. If you know doing something like this is going to piss people off and cause them to potentially hurt other people it's your responsibility to properly exercise your freedom.

I'm so sick of people saying that freedom of speech should be complete and total freedom to say what you want.

There's quite the difference between "our government sucks and needs to change" and "all of this religion's beliefs are based on a gay pedophile's assholery". If the shoe was on the other foot and someone in Iran made a movie where Jesus was a buttfucking child masturbator, everyone here in the states would be wanting to declare war on Islam almost immediately.

With freedoms come the responsibility to properly exercise them.

Except there are already things like, Jesus fucking Christ. It's like saying we shouldn't make anything controversial anymore at all because it could offend said group. It just annoys me that pretty much everything sets these people off into huge riots when they CLAIM to be the religion of tolerance and peace.

The main issue here is that according to Muslim doctrine, (I think) it is forbidden to make illustrations or images of their prophet. This is a widely known fact, and people who won't be the least bit affected by it, are always trying to blatantly disrespect the beliefs of this particular group of people; all of course, from the safety of their own homes where they won't suffer any of the repercussions caused by their actions. This is irresponsible, to say the very least, and is bound to become some Kurt Westergaard v.2.0 type shit.

I don't see Muslims oppressing non-Muslims as some sort of regime would, so that comparison makes no sense. Sure, they have extremists that go apeshit over matters often considered trivial by most of western civilization, but those are different things.

I'm not saying these acts of violence are in any way justifiable, but goddamit, why keep poking them? I hope this "movie producer" feels good about himself knowing that his practical joke has gotten some people killed, and maybe more to follow suit. All of course, from the comfort of his SoCal home (I believe that's where he lives, but I may be wrong on this).

So now we're going to have to start following the doctrines of other regions even though we're not part of them? Ok got it. Look at Westboro, they piss and shit hate speech but the most I've ever seen done or happen is getting a 30oz cup of coke thrown at them.

I forget off the top of my head where it was but a mentally handicap christian girl burned pages from a kids book that taught about the Qur'an and that brought a horde of Muslims into the streets wanting to stone her. She was something like 11 or 12 and their entire christian community had to flee the city. Wasn't even the actual Qur'an...

I don't totally disagree with you that people should stop poking them, but someone should stand up and say what they're doing is wrong. But no one ever will the stupid riots and stoneings and honor killings will continue.

[ronin sparthos]

I don't think this is true, but if they ever get enough money to buy videocameras I guess we'll find out.

It comes down to a situation of idle hands.

Protests such as this happen in the ME constantly because the people have fuck all to do. If Muslims did make a video that insulted Jesus and completely made mockery of the religion you'd have some people bitter and insulted but overall life would go on because well... there are better things to do than plaster some buildings with "Fuck Islam". When your life revolves around religion solely because things are so shitty in your home country then such responses are expected.

This whole video business was designed to troll Islam precisely because Islam has so many people who are quick to jump to violence in defense of their religion. It's like poking a child a stick and expecting them to throw a temper tantrum. That being said, we shouldn't be limiting our freedom of expression here in the states but its undeniable that some people in this country want to stir up religious warfare for their own nefarious purposes.

In time Islam will grow up and mellow out. They will come to accept the fact that people aren't going to shirk from their threats of violence and more trolling will occur but really the people of the ME need something more than religious moderation - they need something to do with their lives.

[ronin sparthos]

Except there are already things like, Jesus fucking Christ. It's like saying we shouldn't make anything controversial anymore at all because it could offend said group. It just annoys me that pretty much everything sets these people off into huge riots when they CLAIM to be the religion of tolerance and peace.

You realize the people who make that claim aren't the protesters right?