Loquacious Earring

[verohawke]

The Loquacious Earring gives:
+30 mp and "enhances Fast Cast"

This Rare/ex earring can be obtained by trading 75 ancient beastcoins to Sagheera [I-8] Port Jeuno
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.j.../08earring.htm
Does someone of you already have this earring (or know someone who does) ?

I would like to know if the combination of Warlock's chapeau with this earring,
will result in the same FAST CAST V trait as the Warlock's Chapeau and Duelist Tabard combo.
Furthermore, I am curious if someone already tried to use all 3
(warlock's chapeau + Duelist Tabard + Loquacious Earring) at once
Will this grant FastCast VI or is FC V the maximum you can get?

[FFXIFlux]

There is no such thing as Fast Cast I, II, III, IV etc. Different items give different amounts of fast cast just like different "enhanced dual weild" give different amounts of speedup.

The earring looks like it is about 1/3 to 1/4 as effective as the AF2 body and AF1 hat.

[Erza]

lol nice sig

[Kiro]

There is no such thing as Fast Cast I, II, III, IV etc.

Uh.. job traits?

(And yes, nice sig. xD)

[Not Kuno]

That sig does indeed own. XFD

[verohawke]

There is no such thing as Fast Cast I, II, III, IV etc. Different items give different amounts of fast cast just like different "enhanced dual weild" give different amounts of speedup.

The earring looks like it is about 1/3 to 1/4 as effective as the AF2 body and AF1 hat.

Ok thank you for explaining me;
so you're saying that the earring together with the chapeau,
would not give me the same speed as the one I'd get with the Duelist Tabard and chapeau?
Has this been confirmed yet?


p.s. thank you for the sig compliments

[Raineer]

The added effect from the Loquacious earring is 5% cast time and about 2% recast time. I've had it for weeks and I test it by recording fraps and using frame-by-frame to see the difference.

It would stack with Duelist's Tabard, there is no cap to Fast Cast as all the items in the game stack and can go well under 50% casting time. The cap is on recast, which I'm about to discuss.

The poster above saying that "there is no Fast Cast 1-6" was *partially* right. There IS fastcast 1-3, they are job traits. Beyond that there are items that add to the fastcast effect, and they all give different (yet static) amounts. I don't have Rostrums nor have I used them in my test, but I believe Loquacios gives the same benefit as Rostrums (i.e. it's not a huge difference)

Something you need to understand about Fast Cast is that it is gimped on the "recast" side, in a way that other items aren't. I've finally been able to test this stuff since my Ninja is high enough to use Fumas and Swift belt (and see the effect of swift belt on RDM):

Haste is haste, and 7% haste removes 7% from your recast timers. However FastCast works different. A 10% casting speed reduction only removes like 5% from your recast times.

I can get my RDM/NIN to 30/20 "Ni/Ichi" recast times with Swift Belt/Loquac/AF1 Hat/Haste Spell. However, a NIN/WAR in my LS with with no songs or haste spell, just haste gear can get to 29/19. With dual march I got to 23/16 (still not capped), after Soul Voice I finally hit the 22/15 cap.

[Heian]

I believe MNKs also hit the cap when they use Hundred Fists. I was told that Hundred Fists came out to like +80% Haste. Is that true?

[layoneil]

someone said Hundred Fists makes Recast and Delay 0.

Rostrum Pumps suck for the Fast Cast Trait.

[nivlakian]

I believe MNKs also hit the cap when they use Hundred Fists. I was told that Hundred Fists came out to like +80% Haste. Is that true?

I haven't measured the haste on attack speed that is given using Hundred Fists, but yes you do hit the cap on recast timers (at least Utsusemi anyway) when having the ability in effect. Utsu Ni/Ichi goes to the capped 22/15s when using HF in the same way as Raineer stated above when he used SV Marches etc. The recast definately does not become 0 at least on these two spells, I haven't tried other things yet.

Unless I'm thinking about it wrong, a Delay 0 would literally give infinite attacks. It can't be simply delay of the weapon drops to 0 either because MNKs would have a HF effect when bare-handed (or using weapons like Vishnu Cesti).


As far as recast effects with Fast Cast...
As MNK/WHM, when casting RR with a NQ Panther Mask (2% haste), the recast timer drops to 58s (2% of 60s is 1.2, game seems to round up these haste effects).
A friend of mine that has Loq Earring for RDM, tried it as RNG/WHM and the recast timer only dropped to 59s suggesting it's a 1% effect on that.
As BLM/WHM with Rostrum Pumps, the recast on RR drops to 59s as well.

How much the Loq. Earring actually takes off cast timers would be a different story, but Raineer has provided that information.

Edit:

However, a NIN/WAR in my LS with with no songs or haste spell, just haste gear can get to 29/19

How is this possible with no outside effects?

As MNK with 23% haste, my timers are 34/23.

NIN can only get 21% haste (unless I'm missing something) using:
Panther Mask +1 (+3%)
Byakko's Haidate (+5%)
Speed Belt (+6%)
Fuma Kyahan/Fuma Sune-ate/Dusk Ledelsens +1 (+3%)
Dusk Gloves +1 (+4%)

Oh, is he using Shinobi Earring/Ring or something?

[Septimus]

I can get my RDM/NIN to 30/20 "Ni/Ichi" recast times with Swift Belt/Loquac/AF1 Hat/Haste Spell. However, a NIN/WAR in my LS with with no songs or haste spell, just haste gear can get to 29/19. With dual march I got to 23/16 (still not capped), after Soul Voice I finally hit the 22/15 cap.

I got a Swift Belt last night, my Ni/Ichi recast times with Swift Belt, Warlock's Chapeau, Duelist's Tabard, and Haste is 28/19.

Don't forget, you can get another 5-7% haste on gear from Dusk Gloves, Dusk Ledelsens (the +1s for an extra 2% you rich clothcrafter), and Nashira Seraweels. If you get a Duelist's Tabard along with those, you will probably have the same recast time as the Ninja without the haste spell.

[Diomedes]

Mnk hundred fists doesn't give zero delay to the weapon, it reduces mnk natural hand-to-hand delay to 0 and you still get the delay of the weapon added on. This is why mnks don't have a HF effect when wearing Vishnu's b/c at 75 with martial arts V the natural delay of H2H is 300. The reason spells only get 50% reduction is, as you know, that the cap is 50%.

And I'm calling bullshit on your nin friend having that much reduction as nin/war without spells/songs b/c max haste % is actually 22%. Niv forgot Blitz Ring (1%), only way to make it higher would be the latent effect earring (4%) and the latent effect ring (20%) but that would make the recast lower than 29seconds (which works out to be 36% btw). There's no way in hell for a nin/war to get 36% without spells/songs.

[nivlakian]

Mnk hundred fists doesn't give zero delay to the weapon, it reduces mnk natural hand-to-hand delay to 0 and you still get the delay of the weapon added on. This is why mnks don't have a HF effect when wearing Vishnu's b/c at 75 with martial arts V the natural delay of H2H is 300.

Yeah, I sort of worded my previous post badly. It should say "it can't be that the weapon delay goes to 0, because barehanded or +0 delay weapons would give the same results yet HF is much faster".

However, if the Martial Arts Trait portion drops to 0 and you're not wearing a weapon, what does HF do then? I'd guess there must be some minimum delay in there somewhere.

[Raineer]

Rostrum Pumps suck for the Fast Cast Trait.

So does my Loquacious Earring, but I spent 18m to find that out. (See also "Relic Weapons")

And I'm calling bullshit on your nin friend having that much reduction as nin/war without spells/songs b/c max haste % is actually 22%. Niv forgot Blitz Ring (1%), only way to make it higher would be the latent effect earring (4%) and the latent effect ring (20%) but that would make the recast lower than 29seconds (which works out to be 36% btw). There's no way in hell for a nin/war to get 36% without spells/songs.

Humble you read these forums, I didn't ask you the specifics in-game...can you share your setup for this?

[Septimus]

Rostrum Pumps suck for the Fast Cast Trait.

So does my Loquacious Earring, but I spent 18m to find that out. (See also "Relic Weapons")

...

I don't want one anymore. >_<

Looks like I'm not getting anything out of Limbus for a long time.

[FFXIFlux]

Rostrum Pumps suck for the Fast Cast Trait.

So does my Loquacious Earring, but I spent 18m to find that out. (See also "Relic Weapons")

...

I don't want one anymore. >_<

Looks like I'm not getting anything out of Limbus for a long time.

It's still fast cast even if it's small, and it's still 30MP on the ear which I'll take over the other shitty mage ear choices. BUT, I'm probably going to get Boxers Mantle and Brutal Earring first.

[ikariffxi]

I make 2mil+ a week doing Limbus, and you can too!

[Raineer]

Rostrum Pumps suck for the Fast Cast Trait.

So does my Loquacious Earring, but I spent 18m to find that out. (See also "Relic Weapons")

...

I don't want one anymore. >_<

Looks like I'm not getting anything out of Limbus for a long time.

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble...I was just expecting a little more than what I got. It IS nice for the casting time, I was just hoping for more recast time out of it.

[Chidorii]

Different items give different amounts of fast cast just like different "enhanced dual weild" give different amounts of speedup.

The earring looks like it is about 1/3 to 1/4 as effective as the AF2 body and AF1 hat.

Wait a second, can someone please confirm this?
On my blackmage subbed rdm i can finish casting any spell at exactly 60% +/- 1% with fast cast boots and back armor. That would be the equivalent of 4 levels of fast casting.
A redmage with 6 levels (AF hat and body) of fast cast can finish casting around 50% am i correct (i am not sure about this).
But, if in fact a redmage with 6 levels of fast cast enhancement can finish a spell at 50% then it would sort of show that each fast casting trait will remove -5% from the casting bar regardless of the item. Which would mean that the earrings are in fact helpful just like the boots and back armor.

I'll only speak for myself when i say this but as a mage, i dont really care about the -recast timer... the most important part of fast cast is being able to finish a spell faster, especially those tier IV and III -ga spells... which would make the fast cast earrings still pretty darn good.

[Cleveland]

Perhaps from a RDM perspective....its not all that much. It may not be enough to justify considering RDM inherently has this trait.

However, for other Jobs...the earring is very nice. SMN, BRD, BLM(sub WHM), and WHM do not enjoy the Fastcast trait and have to get it through items. This is just another item they can use to speed their casting up. While we can never be on par with a RDM, we can at least increase our ouwn effectiveness.

Personally, I play SMN. +30 MP on a slot is nice. Worth a billion gil if the item does not have - HP on it as well. At 75, I cannot afford to give up any HP due to HNM AoE and such. I can't get anywhere near 30 MP on the ear...unless I give up the equivalent in HP...which I am not about to do.

For non-RDM..this is a good item. For RDM, its nice...but perhaps there might be something else you should consider if you do not need the MP.