Yigit vs Standard Gear (BLM epeen ftw!)

[shieldsofwindurst]

Hi all, long time troll, 4th time poster, lookin' forward to my first GTFO to Alla/IGE. Did an extensive search through the forums (as is required of all trolls) to make sure this topic hasn't been yet covered. So, anyways...

QUESTION: Is a full Yigit set worth it?

MY THOUGHTS: Looking at the stats of the Yigit set, it's clearly for non-HNM usage, any time you gotta nuke something that you don't worry about resists (i.e. no elem skill). Now as we all know, most of the pieces are outdone by their current counterparts, but all together, doing the math, I think they make a compelling case, at least for the people that don't have everything already.

Let's compare stats, vs what most people (at least to my knowledge) use today.
Head: Yigit Turban vs Demon Helm + 1 (some people like me use AF or AF+1, but let's go full dmg here)

Body: Yigit Gomlek vs Genie Weskit (I'd say Igqira, but this is BG, I know you all have one)

Legs: Yigit Seraweels vs Mahatma Slops

Feet: Yigit Crackows vs Rostrum Pumps (some people like relic, but Rostrum has (slightly) more dmg, so go with these)

Hands: Yigit Gages vs Zenith Mitts +1 (again, BG, you all have +1s... right?)

Not bothering to list stats individually, but all totaled, side by side, we get:

--------------Yigit-----Non Yigit
INT:............+8.........+17
MND:.........+12.........+5
MAB:.........+11........+13
Enmity:.......-5...........-4
HMP:..........+8...........---
Eva:.........+22...........---
HP:...........+25..........-85
MP:...........+25.........+85
Refresh:.....Yes..........No

So for pure epeen power, your nukes will clearly hit for the most in a non-yigit build. But! I think the Overall stats for the yigit make a Very compelling case for anyone that doesn't have the uber endgame build. Hell, just take away Genie & ZM+1, and you have Yigit MAB = Non Yigit. Sure there's a 9 INT diff, but is that really that huge? I suggest it's not.

Plus, I think it's important to consider that in a situation where you have to blow something up that takes more than one or 2 thunder 4's, then guess what becomes actually useful: 110 more HP than you'd have with a non-yigit build, 22 more Evasion than you'd have with a non-yigit build (yes I know lolBlmEva, but anything that you'd be using this build on wouldn't be more than T/VT anyways-22 Eva would work very well for a manaburn party on T/VT, I'd think), and looky here, Refresh!

So, what I'm thinking is, a Yigit build might actually be, dependant on how good the refresh effect is, the uber manaburn build. Let's be honest-it's gonna be 1mp/tick-but if for some CRAZY reason somebody at SE became brain damaged and gave us 3mp/tick, then who the hell needs a brd or rdm in a manaburn? Rotate pulling between blms with the puller running cleanup after the first wave of nukes hit and you've got a winner. Even if (when) it's confirmed that this isn't the case, if I gotta stand there and nuke something for a while, it certainly seems that this is a very effective set to have on. Oh, and for all the poor up & coming blms that can't afford /don't want to whore out to 1 year+ of HNMing for 2 pieces of gear, guess what, you can get a reasonably comparable set of gear for how much? Nothing.

-braces for epeen > all, GTFO-

[BRP]

Yigit sounds very nice to rest in, thats all I'll say.

[Hilander]

go away

as a blm I would only use feet over my AFv2 feet..which is a hard choice to make...but it would have to be the case...

body = bard

hands = rdm

head = the suck

Will discuss later

*sleeps*

[Jeryhn]

Yigit's refresh is only 1mp/tick. You can check this out yourself on the demo vids of the new jobs on 1up.com (two of the BLUs in the party are in full yigit, pay attn to their MP).

The entire set seems benefical for resting macros only.

[Tilo]

Yigit head seems decent. I haven't done the numbers, but isn't 2 MAB better than 5 INT?

Yigit body is geared toward poor blms and brds.

The Yigit feet seem very good compared to Rostrom (why would you use af2 if you had these?), and nashira would be the only possible alternative on high resist mobs.

Overall, the set itself is craptastic, but individual pieces are quite decent in my opinion.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Equip switches make Yigit underwhelming in comparison.

[nivlakian]

The entire set seems benefical for resting macros only.

Indeed, if you have the inventory for the whole set... you get +8 hmp with the 1mp/tic refresh.

I haven't done the numbers, but isn't 2 MAB better than 5 INT?

Depends on the spell and how close the mobs int is to yours, but in general, not likely.

[edgarfigaro]

Yigit head seems decent. I haven't done the numbers, but isn't 2 MAB better than 5 INT?

It's close, but I'm pretty sure 5int>2MAB judging from my damage difference between errant hpl (10int) and weskit (6MAB).

For those that want to know, my thunder IV is 8 more damage with weskit over errant hpl.

Anyways, this is a stupid, stupid conversation. Any blm is going to be using the feet, and if they're really bored, they'll get the full set to rest in. It's pretty obvious, and didn't need a brand new topic.

Oh, and

as a blm I would only use feet over my AFv2 feet..which is a hard choice to make

You're right, that is a hard choice...placebo conserve MP+ versus a pretty nice boost in damage. Yep, hard choice for people that are down with the syndrome

[Demosthenes11]

Does anyone in BG have zenith mitts+1 or genie weskit?

[NynJa]

You're right, that is a hard choice...placebo conserve MP+ versus a pretty nice boost in damage. Yep, hard choice for people that are down with the syndrome

A whooping 1 INT different for a very nice boost in damage.....of three.

[Mysterio]

BLM do have better available gear than Yigit.

I think this set would be much better suited to a Nuke oriented BLU as opposed to a BLM.

This stuff kinda trumps all other gear currently available for bluemage in regards to mp regen, and MAB.

[Rocl]

Does anyone in BG have zenith mitts+1 or genie weskit?

Nikki has both I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I saw in Whitegate with both of those.

[Desi]

i would only use yigit feet personally. i've used af2 feet for so long over rostrum pumps because i feel the conserve mp outweighs the 1 int on the pumps, but the extra int and 2 magic attack do it for me since im a damage whore

[Wizerd]

Does anyone in BG have zenith mitts+1 or genie weskit?

I had both before I sold them. (well, I had the -1 mitts anyway)

[BRP]

The 'side' items like earrings make a big difference on hmp set ups.

[SephYuyX]

Conserve MP really is a placebo.

[Dreizehn]

yeah, for my blm, besides the boots, the whole set is just for resting macro..i was getting tired of errant body anyway ><

what else am i gonna use my points on ? pahluwan for my pup? lol

not winning lot on that stingy diabolic silk in limbus has turned out to be beneficial instead of wasting it on af1+1 just for hmp.

dont' forget to add in the new grandiose chain for +2hmp.

[Kuponut]

i would only use yigit feet personally. i've used af2 feet for so long over rostrum pumps because i feel the conserve mp outweighs the 1 int on the pumps, but the extra int and 2 magic attack do it for me since im a damage whore

Buy my mitts-1 =/

[edgarfigaro]

You're right, that is a hard choice...placebo conserve MP+ versus a pretty nice boost in damage. Yep, hard choice for people that are down with the syndrome

A whooping 1 INT different for a very nice boost in damage.....of three.

It's +1 int, +2MAB.

It's so cute, you hate Flux so much, but you're starting to sound exactly like him.

[Lordwafik]

I dont think i'm going to touch the Yigit set honestly. Although i'm a mage main, and I do enjoy getting my mage jobs nice toys, but compared to the Pahluwan I can be getting for my thief and beastmaster, the set is junk.

If the set was 5-10mp/tic, yeah i'll get it.

FFXI's dev team need to realize that 1mp/tic doesnt cut it anymore. Maybe back in the days when the cap was 60, ok. But these days people have a gigantic MP pool, we should be getting a bigger refresh via Refresh2/Mages Ballad3/Autorefresh armor doing more than just 1/tic. Game breaking? Maybe, but when they say on POL's site "Unlimited source of MP" on the Yigit, that is a load of crap.