Phalanx / Physical Damage Taken

[Rentwokay]

When calculating the damage your character takes, which is factored in first: the flat damage reduction from Phalanx, or the percentage-based damage reduction from a Physical Damage Taken stat on a piece of armor?

I'm specifically thinking of Genbu's Shield on a mage job with /RDM subjob using Phalanx, but I suppose it would be similar for all armor pieces that reduce physical damage taken.

[Deuce]

I'm assuming that Phalanx would take effect first over the damage reduction from the shield. I don't have any solid proof, but Blink takes effect before evasion if I remember corredtly. So this makes me believe that Phalanx would do the same.

[Tonko]

Go test it on 1000 needles.
You can calculate how much Pahalx will reduce by looking @ your enhancing magic.

[Sylvrdragon]

Stoneskin, and Stoneskin like effects are always last. Phalanx is second last. I think Damage%- procs at the same time as Shield, which is much earlier.

[Ravenlokk]

I agree that phalanx is one of the last mods calculated. Thats one of the reasons why PLD/RDM works. Because the damage mitigation from defence/shield/etc makes you take fairly low dmg (in any situation where you /rdm the mobs are EM or lower typically)- and phalanx on top of that makes you take next to no damage. If phalanx was the first reduction- it would less noticable as PLD/RDM.

for example with an arbitrary damage mitigation of 50% from defence and average blocking.
50x.5=25 (no phalanx)
50-10=40x.5=20 (if phalanx was first)
50x.5=25-10=15 (if phalanx is last)

i know i know, no evidence, no ss, but i still think this is how it is. Prove me wrong with ss/evidence plz (i'd like you to if i'm wrong so i know ).

[Wizerd]

I'm assuming that Phalanx would take effect first over the damage reduction from the shield. I don't have any solid proof, but Blink takes effect before evasion if I remember corredtly. So this makes me believe that Phalanx would do the same.

Blink taking effect before evasion would make it essentially useless. That doesn't seem right.

[Deuce]

I'm assuming that Phalanx would take effect first over the damage reduction from the shield. I don't have any solid proof, but Blink takes effect before evasion if I remember corredtly. So this makes me believe that Phalanx would do the same.

Blink taking effect before evasion would make it essentially useless. That doesn't seem right.

Yeah now that I've thought about it more it seems to make more sense that Blink would come last.

[Vail]

tested this myself when doing Phalanx II testing (when I figured out it's formula)

-x% damage is factored in before phalanx's -x damage

Evasion > Parry > Shadows > -% damage > -x damage > stoneskin > hp taken

as for where shield fits in, I'm not sure honestly, idk enough about how shields work to know. my understanding is they are a -% damage based on shield size, but idk if that's added with normal -%damage or works before or after

As for blink: I don't think I've evaded much if at all with blink up, it's hard to know sense I don't use blink alot, I wouldn't doubt if blink works before evasion is checked: remember blink not only can go against physical attacks it can stop magic too

[SassiAsura]

qbert has a detailed post on KI about that. I believe, read it up.