6 Man Jorm

[thestalkmore]

What songs for pld? Double ballad or Ballad/march?

[Shuemue]

At a guess, whatever he needs at that particular moment?

[Grey Jorildyn]

gjallarhorn, victory march/ballad II? w/o could seem kinda rough...

[Skeetaru]

What songs for pld? Double ballad or Ballad/march?

Not taking Tabasco = win

[Therin]

March x2 on the ground, Ballad x2 in the air.

[Nighteagle]

If the PLD has 10% Haste gear from turban and homam gear, and theres a RDM to haste... why use march?

[LinktheDeme]

If the PLD has 10% Haste gear from turban and homam gear, and theres a RDM to haste... why use march?

Because haste recast is 50% total
25% from gear and 25% from spell. A haste will not cap it off but a haste and a march will for the spell side.

[Spekkio]

If the PLD has 10% Haste gear from turban and homam gear, and theres a RDM to haste... why use march?

Because haste recast is 50% total
25% from gear and 25% from spell. A haste will not cap it off but a haste and a march will for the spell side.

haste gear cap is 25%, but spell cap is 43.3%. this is why hasso+desperate blows allows a drk to effectively 100 GA under the exact right conditions.

[Seditedi]

For spell recast on Utsusemi etc. its 50%.

[Franchise]

We used Double Ballads.

[LinktheDeme]

If the PLD has 10% Haste gear from turban and homam gear, and theres a RDM to haste... why use march?

Because haste recast is 50% total
25% from gear and 25% from spell. A haste will not cap it off but a haste and a march will for the spell side.

haste gear cap is 25%, but spell cap is 43.3%. this is why hasso+desperate blows allows a drk to effectively 100 GA under the exact right conditions.

Spell recast is 25% attack speed isnt effected by this cap which is why march allows them to attack faster past 25%

[Leroy]

Spell recast is 25% attack speed isnt effected by this cap which is why march allows them to attack faster past 25%

Wow.

[Nighteagle]

thats why i was asking why use march + ballad if the PLD has 10% Haste gear. Attacking faster for a PLD is.... meh. Why not use another spell like .... minne lol. Or Mambo LOL. or hell, even the VIT+ song, or ice carol.... etc etc.

[Asdra]

Um, 10% in gear, 15% from haste, and another 12% from march = 37% haste that all counts onto recasts. The point of march is to get the Utsu recasts lower, not make the paladins attack faster

Unless you're actually suggesting seriously that march doesn't effect Recasts because its text says "attack speed". If so.....i'm at a loss for words.

Thats also why usually its 1 march and 1 ballad, with the march replaced by Carol when the wyrm flies. 2 marchs seem kind of overkill unless you have 2 bards, and 1 march seems like it will help much more than Ballad 1.

Someone suggesting Mambo or Minne though....

[LinktheDeme]

Spell recast is 25% attack speed isnt effected by this cap which is why march allows them to attack faster past 25%

Wow.

I was refering to 25% from the magic side wasn't including haste cap from gear since that wasn't what we were talking about. If you actually read what i was quoting then you wouldn't look like a total dumbass. Magic recast will cap at 25% from the magic portion of haste at least for ninjutsu (i'd assume it applies to all magic). attack speed from magical haste caps at that percentage stated earlier.

[Caudle]

We used Double Ballads.

I guess it depends on your setup. Our paladin was the main healer too, so he needed double ballad the whole time. Not to mention if you get more than 2 adds at once, your blms are probably going to have to target at least one specifically and get it down. No time to rest consistently on jorm like their is with tiamat on the ground. Again, depends on your setup and the playing style of your linkshell.

[Nighteagle]

Um, 10% in gear, 15% from haste, and another 12% from march = 37% haste that all counts onto recasts. The point of march is to get the Utsu recasts lower, not make the paladins attack faster

Spell Recast caps @ 25% (well 24% since every 2haste =1second) any extra haste only goes into attack speed, which, PLD meleeing faster isnt very appealing unless they are using spirits within @ 300%. Thats why i said if a PLD has 10% Haste in gear and theres someone to haste them... why use march when theres other spells you could use.

[Lhexh]

Then I must be cheating when I get my Utsusemi: Ni down to 22s ( which is 50% of the base 45 seconds btw ). Recast cap is 50%, I can't seriously believe there are people that don't know this by now.

[Kazen]

Wow.. some of the replies in this thread... Do people seriously not know what double march does for PLD?

[Ferien]

Um, 10% in gear, 15% from haste, and another 12% from march = 37% haste that all counts onto recasts. The point of march is to get the Utsu recasts lower, not make the paladins attack faster

Spell Recast caps @ 25% (well 24% since every 2haste =1second) any extra haste only goes into attack speed, which, PLD meleeing faster isnt very appealing unless they are using spirits within @ 300%. Thats why i said if a PLD has 10% Haste in gear and theres someone to haste them... why use march when theres other spells you could use.

There is so much wrong with this post...